Covid/mRNA Vaccine Info General - "Covid Seasonal Flu Vaccines is Society's New Normal" - FDA

[Otterly]

Well I’m not

So we SHOULD get the vax and twice yearly booster?

Well I’m not your doctor so I can’t give you medical advice. My own opinion for me is that the vaccines don’t do that much good, and may be more harmful than a natural infection in younger /low covid risk people. If you’re old and high risk then maybe your risk would be less with a vaccine (discuss with your doc.) That’s what the trials should have established, by the way, but the trials were poorly designed and too short.
Look at what the numbers show in India - huge vaccination push, then a huge spike in cases and a massive wave of death. Ivermectin almost banned, huge pushback against it, ivermectin reinstated, 92% or whatever it was drop in deaths. Not using these cheap, safe, well understood drugs is a crime against humanity. Someone is now being prosecuted for that dictat stopping ivermectin use. They want the death penalty

India: For discouraging the use of ivermectin, WHO official could receive death penalty

On May 25, the Indian Bar Association (IBA) filed a criminal complaint against a WHO official for p...

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Based move from india, who also didn’t allow Pfizer to distribute with no liability. We need to start holding these people to account in the courts. We cannot have money and power dictating the death rates of whole countries, it is obscene.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

. If it’s only a prophylactic then well we have better prophylactics with lower risk, like ivermectin, and raising peoples vitamin D level.

Lol disregarded what you said just because of this. Looks like we got another fake biologist. Let me guess, you work in "natural medicine"?

 

[Car Won't Crank]

without being too specific, I work where molecular genetics meets drugs/medicine
I should edit the above to say that at worst the vaccines have a prophylactic effect, a higher risk profile than was advertised and we have no idea about mid term or long term effects either. It’s all a big mess.

Sounds like some sort of precision medicine/bioinformatics. At ease, don't have to specify more.

 

[Vince McMahon]

Lol disregarded what you said just because of this. Looks like we got another fake biologist. Let me guess, you work in "natural medicine"?

I see, your trigger word is "ivermectin".

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Serious though, my dear circlejerk breaker-farthuffer - I assume you have a reasonable and thought out rebuttal towards what he said, right?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I see, your trigger word is "ivermectin".

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Serious though, my dear circlejerkbreak-farthuffer - I assume you have a reasonable and thought out rebuttal towards what he said, right?

Well the whole "ivermectin cures covid" thing was not even true (well, hasn't been proven to be true). The studies that showed it worked were not peer-reviewed and had small sample sizes. Studies that had larger sample sizes and were peer-reviewed turned out to show no difference. Same thing for HCQ, the studies that showed it worked gave it to the patients with a better outlook so it'd look like it worked.

The megadosing vitamin D thing wasn't true, either. https://www.mcgill.ca/newsroom/chan...-against-covid-19-previously-suggested-331358

tl;dr: If you're deficient in vitamin D, then yeah, it will help against covid (as well as against everything else). But megadosing does nothing and can actually cause more harm

Then again, I'm just wasting my time replying to you as shown in our previous conversation where you just tardraged after a while

 

[teriyakiburns]

the whole "ivermectin cures covid" thing was not even true

Of course it isn't, because it's touted as a treatment, not a cure. You do enjoy strawmanning other people's positions a lot, don't you?

 

[Vince McMahon]

Well the whole "ivermectin cures covid" thing was not even true (well, hasn't been proven to be true). The studies that showed it worked were not peer-reviewed and had small sample sizes. Studies that had larger sample sizes and were peer-reviewed turned out to show no difference. Same thing for HCQ, the studies that showed it worked gave it to the patients with a better outlook so it'd look like it worked.

The megadosing vitamin D thing wasn't true, either. https://www.mcgill.ca/newsroom/chan...-against-covid-19-previously-suggested-331358

tl;dr: If you're deficient in vitamin D, then yeah, it will help against covid (as well as against everything else). But megadosing does nothing and can actually cause more harm

Then again, I'm just wasting my time replying to you as shown in our previous conversation where you just tardraged after a while

Hulk, I've personally attempted to meet you halfway and was as polite as possible, in hopes that you would return the favour. However, you have completely ignored my attempts and at first, you were just rude and then, outside of certain factual question and answer exchanges we've had, you just decided to be a cheap demagogue about it.

But I know you could be nice and polite when you want it. Maybe consider doing that more often than whatever this is you've been doing since 2016?

I'll slightly rephrase what I wrote on your profile:

Just because someone pretends to be someone on the Internet - doesn't mean that people should believe that person. @Otterly and @Fanatical Pragmatist may or may not be pretenders and it's very wise to be cautious about trusting people on the Internet.

However, just because you're being a contrarian dissenter without actually attempting to meet people and their opinions halfway (I'm not talking about actual schizophrenics in the medical sense) doesn't make what you do useful. In a sense, you're no better than a pretender you're calling out. You add nothing to the discussion and you just provoke emotional reactions, thus decreasing the level of the conversation even further. I don't know if you're being serious about "calling out right-wingers" or it's also an ironic disguise but you're no better than the people you oppose.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Hulk, I've personally attempted to meet you halfway and was as polite as possible, in hopes that you would return the favour. However, you have completely ignored my attempts and at first, you were just rude and then, outside of certain factual question and answer exchange we've had, you just decided to be a cheap demagogue about it.

What? You just kept asking me the same questions over and over again, which I kept answering, and then eventually you started tardraging when I didn't answer the way you wanted to. You wouldn't answer my questions, though. You just tried to trap me in your autistic logic, but it didn't work so you resorted to rephrasing the same question over and over again and then eventually you tardraged as per usual.

But I know you could be nice and polite when you want it. Maybe consider doing that more often than whatever this is you've been doing since 2016?

I didn't start pissing off you right-wing retards until last year.

 

[Vince McMahon]

What? You just kept asking me the same questions over and over again, which I kept answering, and then eventually you started tardraging when I didn't answer the way you wanted to. You wouldn't answer my questions, though. You just tried to trap me in your autistic logic, but it didn't work so you resorted to rephrasing the same question over and over again and then eventually you tardraged as per usual.

I didn't "tardrage" and was emotionless as possible. Wishful thinking much?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I didn't "tardrage" and was emotionless as possible. Wishful thinking much?

Whatever helps you sleep at night

 

[Vince McMahon]

Whatever helps you sleep at night

You're an angry man, accusing everyone else of being angry and enraged. You are also terminally online and spend countless hours, announcing to everyone "whoopdeedoo, I gotta go/shit/sleep/fart, talk to you later". You don't get to point fingers or have any sort of moral high ground.

You may have some psychological issues.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

You're an angry man, accusing everyone else of being angry and enraged. You are also terminally online and spend countless hours, announcing to everyone "whoopdeedoo, I gotta go/shit/sleep/fart, talk to you later". You don't get to point fingers or have any sort of moral high ground.

You may have some psychological issues.

You're the guy who has tardraged on my profile page a bunch of times. I think you're calling the kettle black there, son.

 

[knobslobbin]

Hourly reminder to take your slapfights elsewhere.

Here is Dr Peter McCullough doing a very informative interview that covers vaccine effectiveness, current treatments, and some predictions. They show and talk about their sources, it's quite interesting. And a refreshing break from the doomsperging you see on the right or the outright propaganda on the corporate networks.

The two doctors groups he mentioned are great resources for making sure if you are being treated for covid your doctor is following a protocol that can save you. If you are getting Remdesivir or god forbid about to be put on a ventilator, please at least read about these highly successful protocols that are saving lives. Knowing when to look for a better informed doctor could save your life.

 

[Disheveled Human]

When you understand the way that they treat people with severe covid in hospital it all kind of makes sense and has been quite successful hence the low death rates. First they will place a person on Localized Oxygen to keep their blood oxygen levels in check, Most people will now snowball to recovery when their bodies immune system gets the upper-hand on the infection. Alternatively it can snowball for the worst, oxygen levels continue to drop to a critical level in which the doctor will present them with the option to be sedated and placed on a ventilator this is the make or break time for if you live or die. Patients in this predicament are at high risk (5%> of dying). The general consensus is that the people presenting into emergency who are fully vaccinated are seeming to have more favorable outcomes and are dying at a lower rate. Take of this what you will.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Just because someone pretends to be someone on the Internet - doesn't mean that people should believe that person. @Otterly and @Fanatical Pragmatist may or may not be pretenders and it's very wise to be cautious about trusting people on the Internet.

I just want to clarify that I never claimed to be medical side.

I revealed that I was an actual practicing biologist when pressed with the charge "lol u must have failed high school biology ur afraid of scienze!".

 

[Vince McMahon]

I just want to clarify that I never claimed to be medical side.

I revealed that I was an actual practicing biologist when pressed with the charge "lol u must have failed high school biology ur afraid of scienze!".

I know. You can check out his profile, now I actually raged like a stupid sped there.

 

[Otterly]

It’s certainly wise to take what anyone says with a pinch of salt. That said you’re welcome to stalk through my past posts and make your own judgement on what my qualifications are.

Lol disregarded what you said just because of this. Looks like we got another fake biologist. Let me guess, you work in "natural medicine"?

As unnatural as it gets my friend. I literally tweak genes to make people better and work (guilty as charged) with a few big pharmas. Ivermectin has very strong data to back it up, both in vitro (where it reduces infected cells viral RNA load by 90+ percent in hours) and in the real world. Look at the infection curves in india for example. Tamil Nadu state carries on rising because they didn’t start using ivermectin again when the rest of India did. This stuff works, as part of a well established protocol that includes several things. Doxycycline also seems to have antiviral properties. HCQ does too, although it’s dependent on zinc as well and HCQ has worse toxicity if abused. Note that emergency authorisation Depends on there being no effective treatment.

The megadosing vitamin D thing wasn't true, either. https://www.mcgill.ca/newsroom/chan...-against-covid-19-previously-suggested-331358

But nobody reputable has ever said mega dosing anything is a good idea. What’s quite clear is that vitamin d deficiency is correlated with poorer outcomes. Since most of us in the northern latitudes are deficient, and moderate doses of vitamin d are so well tolerated, it makes sense to get people to get their levels a little higher, within the safe ranges. It actually ualy takes about a week for levels to rise of the correct form in the body so it’s a good idea to get levels up as a baseline.

The general consensus is that the people presenting into emergency who are fully vaccinated are seeming to have more favorable outcomes and are dying at a lower rate. Take of this what you will.

If the data bears that out then what we have is a prophylactic treatment. Nothing wrong with that, as long as it’s not forced and it has a decent safety profile. I suspect the vaccines are not particularly good at preventing infection, and just lessen the chances of death. However, this is already changing the goalposts from what they were touted as. They were originally sold as very high protection with a very low breakthrough rate.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

As unnatural as it gets my friend. I literally tweak genes to make people better and work (guilty as charged) with a few big pharmas. Ivermectin has very strong data to back it up, both in vitro (where it reduces infected cells viral RNA load by 90+ percent in hours) and in the real world. Look at the infection curves in india for example. Tamil Nadu state carries on rising because they didn’t start using ivermectin again when the rest of India did. This stuff works, as part of a well established protocol that includes several things. Doxycycline also seems to have antiviral properties. HCQ does too, although it’s dependent on zinc as well and HCQ has worse toxicity if abused. Note that emergency authorisation Depends on there being no effective treatment.

The authors of the study in India themselves even said that it was too small of a sample size to be reliable data, but it was run with by the group of doctors lead by that crazy doctor who says demon sperm is what causes illness: https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/ivermectin-why-potential-covid-treatment-isnt-recommended-use

Since then, there have been numerous studies into ivermectin as a potential treatment for COVID-19.

In late 2020, a research group in India was able to summarise the results of four small studies of ivermectin as an add-on treatment in COVID-19 patients. This review showed a statistically significant improvement in survival among patients who received ivermectin in addition to other treatments.

But the authors stated clearly that the quality of the evidence was low and that the findings should be treated with caution. As is frequently the case for reviews of multiple small studies, the paper suggested that further trials were needed to determine whether ivermectin was indeed clinically effective.

A controversy subsequently blew up over an article by the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance, a group of doctors and researchers that lobbies for the use of ivermectin.

This article, summarising multiple small studies of the effects of ivermectin on COVID-19 patients, was provisionally accepted for publication in the journal Frontiers in Pharmacology in January 2021 but then rejected and removed from the journal’s website in March. The journal’s editor stated that the standard of evidence in the paper was insufficient and that the authors were inappropriately promoting their own ivermectin-based treatment.

One larger randomised clinical trial was published in March 2021. This showed no effect of ivermectin on duration of symptoms of adults with mild COVID-19. The authors stated that the findings did not support the use of ivermectin in these patients, but again highlighted that larger trials were needed to determine whether the drug had other benefits.

But nobody reputable has ever said mega dosing anything is a good idea. What’s quite clear is that vitamin d deficiency is correlated with poorer outcomes. Since most of us in the northern latitudes are deficient, and moderate doses of vitamin d are so well tolerated, it makes sense to get people to get their levels a little higher, within the safe ranges. It actually ualy takes about a week for levels to rise of the correct form in the body so it’s a good idea to get levels up as a baseline.

It's summer time in northern latitudes. The Vitamin D nuts have said to mega dose it. But I do agree that if levels are low, one should get them higher, not just for covid but for health in general.

If the data bears that out then what we have is a prophylactic treatment. Nothing wrong with that, as long as it’s not forced and it has a decent safety profile. I suspect the vaccines are not particularly good at preventing infection, and just lessen the chances of death. However, this is already changing the goalposts from what they were touted as. They were originally sold as very high protection with a very low breakthrough rate.

They were low until delta, but they still seem to do a decent job at preventing infection and an even better job at preventing death

 

[Otterly]

There’s currently a trial ongoing at Oxford to look at ivermectin but the design of it is so flawed it is almost guaranteed to fail. The trials of HCQ were similar, with it being used late, and without zinc/doxy. HCQ is not a panacea, and it has serious side effects, ivermectin seems much more effective.
Most people are deficient in vit d and it’s an easy and quite safe thing to reverse for most. MS also correlates well with vit d lack, and it’s really important for your immune system.
There’s so much agenda and lies and skewed data on the whole of the covid episode. Untangling it is going to be really difficult. Getting our freedoms back as well.
And screencap this: Pfizer will create ‘a new antiviral!’ Which will be something like one of the avermectin/ ivermectin/quinolone drugs with a random but patentable nitrogen atom stuck on it and that will be sold everywhere. Reminder that Pfizer have made 33 BILLION bucks just off the vaccine this year. How can such money not corrupt?

 

[NuII's Dad]

• 20 year old retail manager's arm goes completely numb
• Same retail manager says people were fainting after getting the vaccine
• People in local old peoples home not being able to walk

what did the vaccine mean by this?