Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Starscreams Cape]

It looks more like "do it without depending on someone else to do it for you" to me.

Liam, Micah, Wenger, Malin, Cecil, Nasser, Antonio, Post, WarCampaign and the list goes on are all almost entirely dependent on one person for the success or failure of their projects. Whether you love or loathe Doug T. he's right, that is not sustainable as has been shown by Nasser and the others who fell out of favor and watched what were 5 figure earning IP's become unfundable dreck instantly. Maybe Starlight Sharts could have succeeded without it's creator prostrating himself in front of Ethan's flock regularly and making sure he never disagreed publicly but I doubt it.

The people you point to for having helped Doug are outside of CG and he had to hustle and form relationships with them to get the exposure on their platforms. That's why he's still in business and Micah looks like he's done.

CG creators aren't even "allowed" to go outside the CG approved crowdfunding platform. I don't see them cross promoting outside CG approved content creators either. Maybe they try to and fail, I don't know. It just looks like their all piglets jostling for position at a limited number of tits and without a spot on the big sow they starve.

Dude, how many fucking times are you going to post the same tired, rehashed opinion? You take something that doesn't involve EVS and you immediately turn it into part of your personal vendetta time and time again.

Serious question - which spurned, former CG member are you? Nobody can be this obsessed with someone without having some sort of personal slight to lean back on.

 

[Newman's Own]

Dude, how many fucking times are you going to post the same tired, rehashed opinion? You take something that doesn't involve EVS and you immediately turn it into part of your personal vendetta time and time again.

Serious question - which spurned, former CG member are you? Nobody can be this obsessed with someone without having some sort of personal slight to lean back on.

Mr Dongs equates cross promotion on multiple none CG platforms with simping to the FROG fulltime and I explain why I disagree so you lose your shit again.

Serious question, do you think anyone cares about any of this more than you do?

 

[Starscreams Cape]

Mr Dongs equates cross promotion on multiple none CG platforms with simping to the FROG fulltime and I explain why I disagree so you lose your shit again.

Serious question, do you think anyone cares about any of this more than you do?

Look at your own posting history, which reveals that YOU DO NOTHING BUT POST IN THIS THREAD, and get back to me with that question.

 

[Rupin]

I don't know if you saw the recent livestream on Nasser's Channel, but was it just me or did Doug seem like a beaten man? He looked subdued, morose and resigned. Maybe he finally realized that he is running out of people to use.

He's a long way from those carefree hoverboard days.

he’s been taking L after L after L these days over his TES. I’m not even sure that he has it in his heart to do another comic after that ass whoopin he took on Nasser’s stream.

His sales have gone down with each campaign, his friends (except for Comic Book Hut) are side eyeing him over his Quixotic quest to get Trump back in office and six of his YT channels got nuked as result of that. That’s enough to take the wind out of the sales for anyone.

 

[jspit2.0]

Did I miss something - does he have the coof?

Not that I know, but I wouldn't be surprised between cancer and everything else. Even if not him, maybe someone close. It's hit some people hard.

Could be. I find Nick unwatchable for the most part. I don't know either.

I'm not overly fond of Rackets. He's a grifter whose self aware that he's a grifter, which makes him enjoyable in small doses. But when he gets away from commenting on lolsuits and onto culture warz my eyes start to roll.

he’s been taking L after L after L these days over his TES. I’m not even sure that he has it in his heart to do another comic after that ass whoopin he took on Nasser’s stream.

His sales have gone down with each campaign, his friends (except for Comic Book Hut) are side eyeing him over his Quixotic quest to get Trump back in office and six of his YT channels got nuked as result of that. That’s enough to take the wind out of the sales for anyone.

You forgot everyones favorite child pornographer, Preston Poulter. Doug's happy to have that friendship continue.

 

[Mister Dongs]

I don't know if you saw the recent livestream on Nasser's Channel, but was it just me or did Doug seem like a beaten man? He looked subdued, morose and resigned. Maybe he finally realized that he is running out of people to use.

He's a long way from those carefree hoverboard days.

I don't know how Nasser got under his skin so bad but it was enough to get an unshowered TenNapel to interrupt an annual family retreat on the surf to go yell some autist on the internet. Nasser was surprisingly game in the stream though, I'd venture to guess that he was able to puncture the heavy barriers of ego Doug has built up between his concept of his inner self versus the reality of his actions that allow him to schmooze in a moral cesspit like Hollywood, or his latest friend circle for that matter, while maintaining a self image as a virtuous Christian. It's borderline schizophrenic and I love it.

While I only really talk about Doug on occasions like now, when Newman's Own Brother Maynard drags him into this thread because he has to cope over Frog succeeding on raising $400K for a toy campaign by bringing up a EWJ shill stream on Rackets' channel from 2019 (a truly moot point), I truly find Doug a fascinating character profile in his own right. When he decided to become a public figure to sell his comics, I have no doubt that he felt others would see him as he sees himself, but the indelible nature of the internet has left a track record of actions that don't match up with what he's said and it's clearly becoming more and more difficult for him to mentally reconcile this. Interrupting a family vaction to go have bloodsports with Nasser is not the actions of a person at ease with themselves.

The people you point to for having helped Doug are outside of CG and he had to hustle and form relationships with them to get the exposure on their platforms. That's why he's still in business and Micah looks like he's done.

Whether or not a benefactor is "outside CG" or not is an artificial distinction, it just means that Doug has more options and avenues for networking ('hustling and forming relationships') than a newcomer like Nasser or Micah or Liam does. He's had decades to build them up and actually has charisma so that should be no surprise, but it doesn't change that they are fundamentally the same actions.

The disconnect happens when he then tries to publicly highground that relying on networking with people with a bigger platform is a moral wrong, especially in Nasser's case since he actually followed Doug's call to walk away from the "Comicsgate teat" as you put it and fall in with the rival comics promotion circle Doug was trying to build, only to be met with a lecture of "self-reliance" when fellow Christian TUG decided to hand out treachery instead of access to his show.

It's just another example of the separation in Doug's mind, this time between the idealized "self-made man" and the reality of the guy constantly on the prowl for connections with Crowder, the Babylon Bee, Ethan Ralph, or TUG and so on so he can get on their platforms and promote himself by appealing for others to support him out of solidarity among conservatives/Christians/QAnon/whatever it is this week.

 

[Miniluv]

That's amazing. Why is Preston of all people doing a better job of educating consumers which projects are "comicsgate"? According to Frog's latest filing in the trademark dispute, you have to go to some 3rd party website to figure it out. ♫ Look for the union label on creatorgo.com/cg to learn which campaigns some fan has associated with comicsgate...

It's really strange to talk about crossing the picket line like you're part of a union or whathaveyou, and then make no mention of any affliation on the page where you sell your wares.

Weird, right?

You'd figure with the "IGG über alles" sentiment being pushed by the Millionaire's Club of CG (with their rhetoric tying it to the very fabric of what it means to be Comicsgate) and the fact that IGG lets CG guys get away with having multiple unfulfilled campaigns because of the money they draw that there would be at least a hint of some synergy between the two "brands", but there's not.

If IGG is such an integral part of the Comicsgate brand/identity/ethos, why don't any of the campaigns even mention the word? Why doesn't IGG make any effort to draw attention to the fact that it's the official home of CG? How come the only time the sacred union between IGG and CG is even mentioned is on the big CG channels? Does the pride that comes with being CG cease to exist on the IGG page?

If CG creators don't have to fear being canceled by IGG, why don't they plant that flag where everyone can see it?

Micah looks like he's done

Yeah, it's not looking too good.

He's got a couple of days left and Englewood 2 is less than halfway funded. I'm wondering if he'll have to go get some sleeves and find another line of work or if he'll keep trudging along to prove some kind of retarded point.

Micah is definitely feeling the consequences of falling out with Ethan. That in and of itself may not have had to spell doom for his projects, but he had to throw in with the King of Boy Island and neglected to cultivate any scrap of charisma or likability in the meantime.

 

[Newman's Own]

I'm not overly fond of Rackets. He's a grifter whose self aware that he's a grifter, which makes him enjoyable in small doses. But when he gets away from commenting on lolsuits and culture wars my eyes start to roll.

I've never seen the appeal.

I've watched for a couple of legal breakdowns of lawsuits and a couple of "debates" but he grates at my nerves, especially when he gets drunk and starts ranting.

Whether or not a benefactor is "outside CG" or not is an artificial distinction, it just means that Doug has more options and avenues for networking ('hustling and forming relationships') than a newcomer like Nasser or Micah or Liam does. He's had decades to build them up and actually has charisma so that should be no surprise, but it doesn't change that they are fundamentally the same actions.

Doug has more options because he didn't put all his eggs in one basket like Nasser, Micah and Liam did. That's the difference between sustainable and unsustainable. Cultivating ones own network is harder than joining someone else's and waiting for loyalty scraps. It's also more sustainable.

Lot's of "newcomers" succeed without devoting their marketing campaign to tongue punching the king makers fart box. Nasser, Micah and Liam just aren't those newcomers.

when Newman's Own drags him into this thread

I didn't bring up Doug. I thought you did... (turns out it was Maynard)

Regardless, there is a fundamental difference between cross promoting on as many platforms as you can and trying to ingratiate oneself with a single benefactor in hopes of getting scraps from their table, so I disagree.

Look at your own posting history, which reveals that YOU DO NOTHING BUT POST IN THIS THREAD, and get back to me with that question.

Haven't bothered to look at your history but I suspect there's a lot of you calling anyone who says anything you don't like an A-Lerg in it.

That and straight simping.

 

[Rupin]

Weird, right?

You'd figure with the "IGG über alles" sentiment being pushed by the Millionaire's Club of CG (with their rhetoric tying it to the very fabric of what it means to be Comicsgate) and the fact that IGG lets CG guys get away with having multiple unfulfilled campaigns because of the money they draw that there would be at least a hint of some synergy between the two "brands", but there's not.

If IGG is such an integral part of the Comicsgate brand/identity/ethos, why don't any of the campaigns even mention the word? Why doesn't IGG make any effort to draw attention to the fact that it's the official home of CG? How come the only time the sacred union between IGG and CG is even mentioned is on the big CG channels? Does the pride that comes with being CG cease to exist on the IGG page?

If CG creators don't have to fear being canceled by IGG, why don't they plant that flag where everyone can see it?


Yeah, it's not looking too good.

He's got a couple of days left and Englewood 2 is less than halfway funded. I'm wondering if he'll have to go get some sleeves and find another line of work or if he'll keep trudging along to prove some kind of retarded point.

Micah is definitely feeling the consequences of falling out with Ethan. That in and of itself may not have had to spell doom for his projects, but he had to throw in with the King of Boy Island and neglected to cultivate any scrap of charisma or likability in the meantime.

why would IGG want to pigeon hole themselves with just selling comics when they are competing on the same playing field as Kickstarter when it comes to crowdfunding? It’s very counter intuitive. As long as CG makes them money, they can fly under the radar and they can both enjoy a mutually beneficial relationship. If IGG declared themselves CG then they Would create a lot of unnecessary backlash toward themselves.

IGG is a business not an ideology. It is a platform that CG has become successful through when Kickstarter wouldn’t give them the time of day.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

why would IGG want to pigeon hole themselves with just selling comics when they are competing on the same playing field as Kickstarter when it comes to crowdfunding? It’s very counter intuitive. As long as CG makes them money, they can fly under the radar and they can both enjoy a mutually beneficial relationship. If IGG declared themselves CG then they Would create a lot of unnecessary backlash toward themselves.

IGG is a business not an ideology. It is a platform that CG has become successful through when Kickstarter wouldn’t give them the time of day.

They didn't care about who they alienated when they did the whole BLM thing.

 

[Mister Dongs]

I didn't bring up Doug. I thought you did... (turns out it was Maynard)

My apologies in that case Newman's.

Doug has more options because he didn't put all his eggs in one basket like Nasser, Micah and Liam did. That's the difference between sustainable and unsustainable. Cultivating ones own network is harder than joining someone else's and waiting for loyalty scraps. It's also more sustainable.

Lot's of "newcomers" succeed without devoting their marketing campaign to tongue punching the king makers fart box. Nasser, Micah and Liam just aren't those newcomers.

Again, Doug TenNapel has had thirty years to cultivate those options. If someone told 22 year old Wormie that he should just ditch what few connections he had at that point in his career because dependency is bad and instead just go on Arsenio Hall or whatever like Stan Lee did, and if everything goes wrong he never deserved to succeed in the first place, Yung Doug would rightly dismiss them as nuts.

Some newcomers succeed, but what stats I do have indicated most struggle to even tread water both within and without Comicsgate.

 

[Rupin]

They didn't care about who they alienated when they did the whole BLM thing.

they are based in California and are leftist at heart. Siding with BLM was just good business and CG had to take that one on the chin.

 

[Miniluv]

why would IGG want to pigeon hole themselves with just selling comics when they are competing on the same playing field as Kickstarter when it comes to crowdfunding. It’s very counter intuitive. As long as CG makes them money, they can fly under the radar and they can both enjoy a mutually beneficial relationshi. If IGG declared themselves CG then they Would create a lot of unnecessary backlash toward themselves.

IGG is a business not an ideology. It is a platform that CG has become successful through when Kickstarter wouldn’t give them the time of day.

Who said IGG needed to pigeonhole themselves as only selling comics? That's a really weird reading of what I'm saying.

I'm saying none of the CG campaigns ever mention the word "Comicsgate". IGG doesn't spotlight CG comics in any way, even though they let CG creators bend their rules because of the money they draw. A search for the term "Comicsgate" on IGG turns up very little in the way of campaigns despite the CG identity being inexorably tied to using IGG as their exclusive funding platform.

If IGG won't cancel CG creators, why do none of these creators mention the term "comicsgate" in their campaigns? I thought the whole reason they went with IGG was that there would be no "backlash" against them. If they have to worry about being canceled for identifying as Comicsgate, what is the practical difference between IGG and Kickstarter?

The idea was that if SJWs knew they had the power to kick us off of crowdfunding platforms, we wouldn't be safe anywhere. So Zack made up a story about how slow they were to approve him, etc, while we moved over to IGG.

This implies that CG would be "safe" on IGG. If that's not the case, I can see why they'd avoid any mention of CG at all. If it is the case, then I don't understand why CG creators cannot ID as Comicsgate on the platform they've sworn allegiance to. It almost seems like IGG will let them do their thing as long as they shut the fuck up about Comicsgate, lest they get booted.

CGs opponents already know they use IGG exclusively. I haven't heard of any pressure to get them to cancel these campaigns. What then is the reason why Comicsgate as a brand/movement/whatever doesn't seem to exist on IGG? If I wanted to go to IGG and check out all the CG campaigns, there's not really any way to do it. That doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Who said IGG needed to pigeonhole themselves as only selling comics? That's a really weird reading of what I'm saying.

I'm saying none of the CG campaigns ever mention the word "Comicsgate". IGG doesn't spotlight CG comics in any way, even though they let CG creators bend their rules because of the money they draw. A search for the term "Comicsgate" on IGG turns up very little in the way of campaigns despite the CG identity being inexorably tied to using IGG as their exclusive funding platform.

If IGG won't cancel CG creators, why do none of these creators mention the term "comicsgate" in their campaigns? I thought the whole reason they went with IGG was that there would be no "backlash" against them. If they have to worry about being canceled for identifying as Comicsgate, what is the practical difference between IGG and Kickstarter?



This implies that CG would be "safe" on IGG. If that's not the case, I can see why they'd avoid any mention of CG at all. If it is the case, then I don't understand why CG creators cannot ID as Comicsgate on the platform they've sworn allegiance to. It almost seems like IGG will let them do their thing as long as they shut the fuck up about Comicsgate, lest they get booted.

CGs opponents already know they use IGG exclusively. I haven't heard of any pressure to get them to cancel these campaigns. What then is the reason why Comicsgate as a brand/movement/whatever doesn't seem to exist on IGG? If I wanted to go to IGG and check out all the CG campaigns, there's not really any way to do it. That doesn't make a lot of sense.

If the big names were honest they would tell you the word 'comicsgate' is intentionally left out of their campaigns because it might turn off potential customers. The same ones will then also tell you to sacrifice your own potential customers by boycotting Kickstarter.

 

[Rupin]

Who said IGG needed to pigeonhole themselves as only selling comics? That's a really weird reading of what I'm saying.

I'm saying none of the CG campaigns ever mention the word "Comicsgate". IGG doesn't spotlight CG comics in any way, even though they let CG creators bend their rules because of the money they draw. A search for the term "Comicsgate" on IGG turns up very little in the way of campaigns despite the CG identity being inexorably tied to using IGG as their exclusive funding platform.

If IGG won't cancel CG creators, why do none of these creators mention the term "comicsgate" in their campaigns? I thought the whole reason they went with IGG was that there would be no "backlash" against them. If they have to worry about being canceled for identifying as Comicsgate, what is the practical difference between IGG and Kickstarter?



This implies that CG would be "safe" on IGG. If that's not the case, I can see why they'd avoid any mention of CG at all. If it is the case, then I don't understand why CG creators cannot ID as Comicsgate on the platform they've sworn allegiance to. It almost seems like IGG will let them do their thing as long as they shut the fuck up about Comicsgate, lest they get booted.

CGs opponents already know they use IGG exclusively. I haven't heard of any pressure to get them to cancel these campaigns. What then is the reason why Comicsgate as a brand/movement/whatever doesn't seem to exist on IGG? If I wanted to go to IGG and check out all the CG campaigns, there's not really any way to do it. That doesn't make a lot of sense.

Because a lot of creators know that mentioning Comicsgate in your campaign would either confuse or drive away normie customers because of all the bad press they get. It’s not really necessary to declare CG in your campaign when there is no benefit to doing so. CG customers will know that you are CG but that won’t affect whether they buy your comic or not as evidenced by all the CG campaigns that don’t get funded.

The practical reason for going to IGG or Kickstarter is that IGG is better for selling comics and they take less of a percentage of your campaign than Kickstarter does.

 

[jspit2.0]

My apologies in that case Newman's.


Again, Doug TenNapel has had thirty years to cultivate those options. If someone told 22 year old Wormie that he should just ditch what few connections he had at that point in his career because dependency is bad and instead just go on Arsenio Hall or whatever like Stan Lee did, and if everything goes wrong he never deserved to succeed in the first place, Yung Doug would rightly dismiss them as nuts.

Some newcomers succeed, but what stats I do have indicated most struggle to even tread water both within and without Comicsgate.

Absolutely.

No man is truly self made. Everyone had someone hold a door for them. Doug doesn't have to do that. But to pretend as if he never had anyone help him out is disingenuous.

In the 90s a video game company took a chance on him. They gave him a hand getting into comics despite commercial flops like Neverhood.

He was doing okay in Indie comics, but BFB enabled him to get Jim back. And that success was thanks to Ethan Van Sciver and Comicsgate helping him.

He doesn't need to genuflect. He doesn't need to remain servile and grateful. People who took a chance on him saw that pay off. Sometimes. Sometimes it didn't. coughneverhoodcough.

But Doug T isn't self-made. Neither is Ethan Van Sciver, Jon Malin, or Mike Miller. Everyone at some point had someone help them out, take a gamble. It's at best kindof hypocritical for Doug not to pay that forward and at worst using young creators for his hatchet against CG is slimy and disgusting. The same is true for Ethan and Jon Malin using small CG creators to hit KS.

 

[Miniluv]

Because a lot of creators know that mentioning Comicsgate in your campaign would either confuse or drive away noprime customers because of all the bad press they get. It’s not really necessary to declare CG in your campaign when there is no benefit to doing so. CG customers will know that you are CG but that won’t affect whether they buy your comic or not as evidenced by all the CG campaigns that don’t get funded.

I don't know what "noprime" means but I'm assuming you mean new customers. Where are these new customers coming from and how are they being marketed to? How many customers do you think are just randomly going to IGG looking to buy $30 comics and decide to back Cyberfrog? Out of those new customers, how many of them do you believe are aware of CG enough to be "confused" about it? Again that word pops up when talking about the audience. I swear CG people think the backers are goddamn retards.

How is the term "comicsgate" enough to stop someone from backing a book but the name "Ethan Van Sciver" is not? All these easily confused new backers would have to do is use Google to see that EVS and CG are so intertwined as to be functionally one and the same. Does EVS not have any "bad press" that could drive away customers?

The practical reason for going to IGG or Kickstarter is that IGG is better for selling comics and they take less of a percentage of your campaign than Kickstarter does.

Not true anymore. They both take the same percentage.

 

[Newman's Own]

Some newcomers succeed, but what stats I do have indicated most struggle to even tread water both within and without Comicsgate.

Yes, CG is good for getting books that should never be made funded. The best thing CG did was inspire a very few reasonably capable creators to try, but it also funded a huge amount of pure garbage based on purity testing and favor trading. Much of which is years overdue garbage.

Maybe having to work harder to get funded would have saved the world from the works of Wenger, Micah, Adam Post and the like.

Some newcomers should not succeed because they lack merit. CG has been a hack to get around that.

they are based in California and are leftist at heart. Siding with BLM was just good business and CG had to take that one on the chin.

So there is no real difference between IGG and KS. Might as well take advantage of both platforms and make some extra money like Tucci or Lim even if they 'take one on the chin'.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

Haven't bothered to look at your history but I suspect there's a lot of you calling anyone who says anything you don't like an A-Lerg in it.

That and straight simping.

You realize there's a whole smorgasbord of content at the farms? You should do a little less obsessing and mancrushing on EVS in here and a little more exploring.

By the way my profile is open to see you lazy faggot.

they are based in California and are leftist at heart. Siding with BLM was just good business and CG had to take that one on the chin.

At this point don't blame a lot of companies for doing the bare minimum "we stand with BLM" bullshit after the takedown of King George. Hell even Call of Duty, where they used the famous Yuri Bezmenov interview in their Cold War game promotion (and you can run across colorful usernames like "Coonhunter2347"), had to throw up a BLM support screen for a week.

It sucked but I think we have to separate low effort, bare minimums from companies that went all in on woke bullshit.

 

[FROG]

Weird, right?

You'd figure with the "IGG über alles" sentiment being pushed by the Millionaire's Club of CG (with their rhetoric tying it to the very fabric of what it means to be Comicsgate) and the fact that IGG lets CG guys get away with having multiple unfulfilled campaigns because of the money they draw that there would be at least a hint of some synergy between the two "brands", but there's not.

If IGG is such an integral part of the Comicsgate brand/identity/ethos, why don't any of the campaigns even mention the word? Why doesn't IGG make any effort to draw attention to the fact that it's the official home of CG? How come the only time the sacred union between IGG and CG is even mentioned is on the big CG channels? Does the pride that comes with being CG cease to exist on the IGG page?

If CG creators don't have to fear being canceled by IGG, why don't they plant that flag where everyone can see it?


Yeah, it's not looking too good.

He's got a couple of days left and Englewood 2 is less than halfway funded. I'm wondering if he'll have to go get some sleeves and find another line of work or if he'll keep trudging along to prove some kind of retarded point.

Micah is definitely feeling the consequences of falling out with Ethan. That in and of itself may not have had to spell doom for his projects, but he had to throw in with the King of Boy Island and neglected to cultivate any scrap of charisma or likability in the meantime.

Putting "ComicsGate" in your campaign would be like that My Pillow guy putting "Republican and Christian" on his product and in his ads. You might wear your political affiliation and ideals on a t-shirt, you also might talk about it in interviews, and wear a little cross around your neck, but it's not really a label for your business.

But I might start doing it if I win the trademark. I'll think about it.