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But what I have seen, I don’t recall seeing much white nationalists in Druidism.

There isn't. It really does come down to "European spirituality gives off white supremacist vibes."

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[Shaka Brah]

Leave it to a redditard to think the black sun is a fake symbol. It's a stylized version of the Nordic Sun Disk typefied by the Zierscheibe sun disks of the European Iron Age. You can see the resemblance yourself just by looking at one. I bet he also believes the Wolfsangel is a "Nazi symbol" created in the 1930s and not a historical wolf trap device present on literally hundreds of medieval coats of arms.

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[NoReturn]

Wolfsangel

And you know what? As long as I'm here:
The swastika is the big dipper.
Holy fuck. This would be common knowledge if it wasn't for light pollution. You can literally look up and see it.

 

[RazorBackBacon]

I’m not sure if it’s “racist”, or just an observation but it seems like white neopagans are more “fluffy bunny” and more like nature loving hippies. At least with Wicca it’s stressed that you should harm no one. That’s not true across the board, but it just seems like non-white fringe spiritualities are more okay with curses, using bones and hair, etc.

Speaking of curses, I always find it stupid when 1.) people leave voodoo dolls or spell jars in random places in public and 2.) when someone finds it, posts it online and everyone tells them “nooo don’t open or touch it you’ll get cursed or die!” Unless it does contain bodily fluids in which case gross.

That's because modern European neopaganism is not an unbroken cultural tradition like other forms of paganism. European paganism was cut off at the knees by the advancement of Christianity. What you see now is at best a universalist reconstruction made by well-meaning but less-than-informed amateur anthropologists, or at worst a con job that just threw together whatever sounded good. Probably both. It's all really successive generations of boring white bitches who want to rebel against society but don't want to, you know, actually do anything too weird; lighting candles and speaking to dear departed Aunt Suzie gets the minister's wife to mumble about devilry, cutting open a lamb and blood eagling it gets you thrown in jail.

There isn't. It really does come down to "European spirituality gives off white supremacist vibes."
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They're right. Nordic and other Euro-centric neopagan "traditions" are indeed white nationalistic. Because ALL these pagan revivalist movements are some breed of ethno-nationalism. You're literally basing your larger community on a religion that says only people from a certain genetic and cultural heritage can access it. About the only two I've seen that openly state anyone is welcome in their religion are Hinduism and Shinto.

 

[Flexo]

It really does come down to "European spirituality anything gives off white supremacist vibes."

FTFY

These are the people that would disagree with "It's OK to be white."

 

[Agarathium1066]

FTFY

These are the people that would disagree with "It's OK to be white."

You ever want to instantly tear the veil of bullshit off of someone from that, just bring up that phrase or another. They will instantly start spewing venom. It's like a trigger phrase and it's absolutely obscene.

They will then moments later (once they're satisfied with having screamed how pure they are) emphasize how its not okay for the whities to ever take part rituals, religious practices, and traditions of other people.

You can't have any if you're white though because that'd be eeeevil.

 

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Shinto

You've activated my autism-card!

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Shinto is one of my favorite spiritual traditions and one of the neatest things about it is that if you strip away a lot of the specific activities, the root beliefs have a surprisingly large amount in common with several other religions across the northern hemisphere.
Some core beliefs that I keep finding over and over regardless of geographical distance:

• Non-human "people" exist
• A spiritual world linked to physical locations also exists
• The dead can remain "close" to the world of the living
• Some part of our existence "comes back" after death

Editing to add one more thanks to @RazorBackBacon's video reminding me:

• The concept of a multi-part "soul" or human existence

 

[RazorBackBacon]

You've activated my autism-card!

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Shinto is one of my favorite spiritual traditions and one of the neatest things about it is that if you strip away a lot of the specific activities, the root beliefs have a surprisingly large amount in common with several other religions across the northern hemisphere.
Some core beliefs that I keep finding over and over regardless of geographical distance:

• Non-human "people" exist
• A spiritual world linked to physical locations also exists
• The dead can remain "close" to the world of the living
• Some part of our existence "comes back" after death

Spoiler: O/T Myth Sperging

Possibly related to a paleo(?)lithic religion that spread out across Eurasia during the last ice age. Interesting video here.

 

[Baloney Face]

the only two I've seen that openly state anyone is welcome in their religion are Hinduism and Shinto.

This is accurate, however in practice both are nationalist in nature.
In the case of Hinduism, there's some seriously violent nationalism at the present time.

 

[RazorBackBacon]

This is accurate, however in practice both are nationalist in nature.
In the case of Hinduism, there's some seriously violent nationalism at the present time.

I'll confess my knowledge of contemporary Hindu practices is lacking. But modern Shinto is making converts amongst us filthy gaijin here in North America. I'm guessing they downplay the whole Son of Heaven aspect of their religion.

 

[Flaming Insignias]

Leave it to a redditard to think the black sun is a fake symbol. It's a stylized version of the Nordic Sun Disk typefied by the Zierscheibe sun disks of the European Iron Age. You can see the resemblance yourself just by looking at one. I bet he also believes the Wolfsangel is a "Nazi symbol" created in the 1930s and not a historical wolf trap device present on literally hundreds of medieval coats of arms.

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Another funny story: the Wolfsangel first became prominent in heraldry as a symbol of peasant revolts during the Early Modern Era. It’s popularity among the Nazis was due to their own stance as a primarily anti-aristocratic movement.

This is accurate, however in practice both are nationalist in nature.
In the case of Hinduism, there's some seriously violent nationalism at the present time.

Both of those cases are primarily demonstrations of the traditional religion being part of ultranationalist idea of a “proper Japanese/Indian,” who is descended of the ancient population and follows the old ways instead of accepting more western components of the society, such as the existence of full-blooded native Christians.

 

[NoReturn]

I'll confess my knowledge of contemporary Hindu practices is lacking. But modern Shinto is making converts amongst us filthy gaijin here in North America. I'm guessing they downplay the whole Son of Heaven aspect of their religion.

On Hinduism:

And because it's cool, I recommend looking into how similar the concept of Moksha is to the gnostic understanding of reality.
See also:

And so we don't go off-topic:

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[PuffyGroundCloud]

TikTok: GrandRisingApp steals child, gives actually decent mental health advice

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He's a Morrowind or Oblivion NPC in real life holy shit

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

European paganism was cut off at the knees by the advancement of Christianity

Didn't the Romans turbofucked the druid religion to death way before Christianity was a thing? Is very suspect that all of the sudden all these celtic revival and neo-druid people pop up claiming they are the true and honest tradition when even a thousand years ago most of that stuff was probably lost to time and only very biased Roman accounts remain.

I'll confess my knowledge of contemporary Hindu practices is lacking. But modern Shinto is making converts amongst us filthy gaijin here in North America. I'm guessing they downplay the whole Son of Heaven aspect of their religion.

all of shinto rites seem very heavily tied to place, must be very akward making that work if you are not living in Japan or have roots there. If you are in an american town you'd basically have to invent new local kami to worship and stuff because no pre-existing tradition exist, might as well call it something else, like generic animism.

 

[NoReturn]

even a thousand years ago most of that stuff was probably lost to time and only very biased Roman accounts remain.

all of shinto rites seem very heavily tied to place, must be very akward making that work if you are not living in Japan or have roots there.

Looks like there are actually a handful of shrines, but they're mostly in Hawaii.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

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Looks like there are actually a handful of shrines, but they're mostly in Hawaii.

Based Romans.

but they're mostly in Hawaii.

Now i imagine Billy the american shintoist going into Graceland to leave an offering for most honoraburu Kami Elvis Presley

 

[Shaka Brah]

Looks like there are actually a handful of shrines, but they're mostly in Hawaii.

The one in Honolulu enshrines a very rare local deity of a non-Japanese locale, the unnamed land-god kami of the Hawaiian islands.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

the root beliefs have a surprisingly large amount in common with several other religions across the northern hemisphere

Isn't that the case with a lot of pagan religions? The Romans were able to easily Romanise almost all the religions they came across by saying "okay, this god has something to do with war so we'll call it Mars. Congratulations, your religion is now Roman and a religio licita !" which wouldn't be the case if there weren't similarities among the different types of paganism.

This is also why Judaism, Christianity, and Zoroastrianism caused the Romans a lot of headaches - they're monotheistic religions, and so rejected any attempt to compare God or Ahura Mazda with, say, Jupiter.

I'll confess my knowledge of contemporary Hindu practices is lacking.

Hindu nationalism is definitely a thing, and acts in ways that make the KKK look civilised.

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> paganism has white, European, Christian imperialism to thank for its existence
> Christians went around destroying anything that looked pagan so we're oppressed and want reparations from Christians
Pick one.

For once Tumblr is right - Satanism isn't an actual religion, it's a form of "anti-Christianity". That said, that should have been obvious from the beginning given that all Satanists do is harass Christians and hold rituals that are blasphemous against Christianity.

I don't think it's fair to say that racists are "attracted" to paganism more than any other religion. This is purely anecdotal, but I've seen quite a few Christian racists and I don't think it's fair to say that they're attracted to Christianity. Of course, if you do want to see what a racist religion looks like, you could always take a look at the Talmud.

The Othala rune is literally a Norse rune. Saying using it makes you racist is like saying that Jains who use the swastika are all Nazis.

"Faith, folk, family" is just a version of a common traditionalist slogan. Carlism (a right-wing Spanish Catholic ideology) uses the phrase "Dios, Patria, y Rey" (God, Fatherland and King). There's a traditionalist Catholic organisation called "Tradition, Family, and Property". A Finnish nationalist slogan (which is incidentally my custom title) is "Koti, uskonto, ja isänmaa" (Home, Religion, and the Fatherland). If you want to claim that a phrase is a "pagan dogwhistle", make sure it hasn't been used by a lot of very Christian and very multiracial groups.

Paganism is an Abrahamic religion? I don't think these people know what they're talking about.
Saying that your religion is the true religion isn't exclusive to pagans, and (to the best of my knowledge) was never a pagan concept. I don't think the Vikings had a version of extra Ecclesiam nulli salus. For some reason fyrir utan Musterið er engin hjálpræði doesn't sound right.
Pointing out verses like Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 is not "speaking over LGBTBBQVHS Jews", it's asking you to follow a religion you claim to be a part of.
Christianity only "appropriates" from Judaism if you view the Pharisees and Rabbinic Judaism as the continuation of the Old Testament religion.
The Bible is not an exclusively Jewish document. Christians obviously use it, but Muslims also use it and believe that the Torah (at-Tawrat) contains "guidance and light" (Koran 5:44). As such, you don't need to be a Jew to interpret it.
You don't need to censor YHWH, Jehovah or whatever English translation of the Tetragrammaton you use. I personally think Christians shouldn't use phrases like "Jehovah", "Yeshua" or "Ruach haKodesh" because they strike me as an attempt to Judaise Christianity which St Paul condemned (Galatians 3), but if you do they shouldn't be censored.
You cannot believe in God and be an atheist. That's like saying you can be a married bachelor.
Emmanuel Jakobovits (a relatively reformist Orthodox rabbi) believes that the Jews were chosen by God to be "the pioneers of religion and morality" and are thus closer to God. This is obviously exclusive of non-Jews.

I don't know about Slavic paganism, but the Dievturiba movement (Baltic neopaganism) mainly exists because of a Latvian fascist party called Pérkonkrusts (literally "Thunder Cross" or "Swastika"), so there is definitely some overlap.

There were contemporary accounts of the Vikings written by Andalusian Arabs (who were arguably non-white, although Andalusian Arabs, like all Arab settlers in regions the Arabs conquered, married locals who converted to Islam and lots of them were probably descended from Visigoths, Celts or Iberian Romance-speaking peoples). This doesn't mean that there were a statistically significant number of black Norsemen.

Being shirtless makes you a white supremacist?

Only on Tumblr.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

all of shinto rites seem very heavily tied to place, must be very akward making that work if you are not living in Japan or have roots there. If you are in an american town you'd basically have to invent new local kami to worship and stuff because no pre-existing tradition exist, might as well call it something else, like generic animism.

I don't know much about Shinto but I do recall hearing about a way to essentially entice one of the kami of an area to come with you and come live in your new shrine.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

I don't know much about Shinto but I do recall hearing about a way to essentially entice one of the kami of an area to come with you and come live in your new shrine.

So yankee doodle Billy would have to travel to Japan, make a ceremony to steal the kami from his ancestral hometown shrine then take it back with him in a pickle jar back to his homemade shrine in his backyard. Well, seems like a plan that should go over splendidly, it would be pretty funny to see weebs trying and advertising it.