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[Steamboat_Bill]

There hasn’t been any news on the aforementioned Jodie, or Hazbin Hotel, or Genndy’s new show, among other things. Outside of getting new movies, we actually don’t know that much about the B&B reboot. A year of radio silence isn’t the slam dunk you think it is and the one guy you used as a citation doesn’t even work on the reboot so it really come off as a reach.

None of those shows have had anyone come out and say they were shelved. (And here is a tweet saying that yes, production is still going on with Hazbin Hotel. That's pretty good confirmation it has not been shelved.)

Tell me this - why, in the last year, has no one come out and definitively said "The show has not been shelved and it is still in production"? None of the wishy-washy evidence I've heard before. If it was indeed a lie, then it would be pretty easy to disprove. Simply confirming a production is still on wouldn't be breaking any NDAs.

Face it, man. The reboot is dead.

 

[Private Pyle]

None of those shows have had anyone come out and say they were shelved. (And here is a tweet saying that yes, production is still going on with Hazbin Hotel. That's pretty good confirmation it has not been shelved.)

Tell me this - why, in the last year, has no one come out and definitively said "The show has not been shelved and it is still in production"? None of the wishy-washy evidence I've heard before. If it was indeed a lie, then it would be pretty easy to disprove. Simply confirming a production is still on wouldn't be breaking any NDAs.

No one ever confirmed that the Ren and Stimpy was shelved. This came from someone on social media with no sources and a guy who doesn’t even work on the reboot; social media running with unconfirmed sources? Who would have guessed? And not that this helps for the reboot but when asked about it, Billy West said it was still ongoing. Take with a grain of salt.
Though considering you consider press releases as wishy washy, there’s not a lot that will convince you. Until there’s official word that it is dead, I’ll consider it up in the air; I’m not going to believe some random Kiwi making claims.

Face it, man. The reboot is dead.

What is your problem with this show? You act like an autistic child going “No it isn’t/ Yes it is” when it’s brought up.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

No one ever confirmed that the Ren and Stimpy was shelved. This came from someone on social media with no sources and a guy who doesn’t even work on the reboot; social media running with unconfirmed sources? Who would have guessed? And not that this helps for the reboot but when asked about it, Billy West said it was still ongoing. Take with a grain of salt.
Though considering you consider press releases as wishy washy, there’s not a lot that will convince you. Until there’s official word that it is dead, I’ll consider it up in the air; I’m not going to believe some random Kiwi making claims.

Billy West has never actually been confirmed to be working on the reboot either, and he never said it was definitely still happening. His exact words were "Not that I've heard" - which is something you definitely say when you're involved with a project.

Again, nobody has said it has not been shelved. This would be very easy to disprove.

 

[Private Pyle]

Billy West has never actually been confirmed to be working on the reboot either, and he never said it was definitely still happening. His exact words were "Not that I've heard" - which is something you definitely say when you're involved with a project.

Which is why I made sure to put “not that it means anything” and “take with a grain of salt”. It’s not a slam dunk by any means but it’s one of the few words there’s been on the reboot. Unlike you, I don’t try to convince everyone that my word is fact.
> Again, nobody has said it has not been shelved. This would be very easy to disprove.
Nobody trustworthy ever confirmed it was shelved outside of some unreliable sources; it would be easy to disprove them by simply asking “Who are their sources?” This is SSB logic at this point.

And rather than give me the run around, you still haven’t answered what your personal stake in this is.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Which is why I made sure to put “not that it means anything” and “take with a grain of salt”. It’s not a slam dunk by any means but it’s one of the few words there’s been on the reboot. Unlike you, I don’t try to convince everyone that my word is fact.
> Again, nobody has said it has not been shelved. This would be very easy to disprove.
Nobody trustworthy ever confirmed it was shelved outside of some unreliable sources; it would be easy to disprove them by simply asking “Who are their sources?” This is SSB logic at this point.

And rather than give me the run around, you still haven’t answered what your personal stake in this is.

It is at the point when you imply nobody needed to disprove it because the sources were untrustworthy when that's exactly what should have happened if it was a lie that I wonder WTF?

Now, I know what Bob Camp is like. I've met him before and he's generally pretty trustworthy as a source of information. I also know he's worked at Viacom recently, he knows people there, and he has contacts in the industry. So when he said it - even before he revealed his source - I thought there was probably something to it. The animation industry is small enough that word gets around with these things.

And yet there has been no reliable sources saying the production is still on. What it comes down to is, with the information available, what is the judgment to make? The only judgment to make is that the reboot has been shelved.

 

[Private Pyle]

It is at the point when you imply nobody needed to disprove it because the sources were untrustworthy when that's exactly what should have happened if it was a lie that I wonder WTF?

People should be wondering wtf is it with these weird mental gymnastics you when anyone questions your sources. If someone makes a claim without providing sauce people would consider that lying until proven wrong. That’s how the internet.

Now, I know what Bob Camp is like. I've met him before and he's generally pretty trustworthy as a source of information. I also know he's worked at Viacom recently, he knows people there, and he has contacts in the industry. So when he said it - even before he revealed his source - I thought there was probably something to it. The animation industry is small enough that word gets around with these things.

Oh my god, no one cares how you’ve met Camp and how he’s such a great guy. You having Camp’s dick in your mouth doesn’t make him reliable source given that he’s not working on the reboot. This is Kiwi Farms, not Twitter; if we went by “I know this guy who knows this guy” the whole site would fall apart.

And yet there has been no reliable sources saying the production is still on. What it comes down to is, with the information available, what is the judgment to make? The only judgment to make is that the reboot has been shelved.

The judgement to make is unless we get further information it’s just TBD and just don’t bring it up or think about it until then. But you instead spread misinformation and convince people it’s right because of some weird personal vendetta or something.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

People should be wondering wtf is it with these weird mental gymnastics you when anyone questions your sources. If someone makes a claim without providing sauce people would consider that lying until proven wrong. That’s how the internet.

But, um, nobody did. Everyone took Robyn and Bob's word that it was shelved. Nobody questioned the sources. And in all the brouhaha nobody spoke up to say "It's not actually shelved and production is still going on."

This is my point. Someone put out a claim. People took it as trustworthy. No one has tried to disprove it in all this time. No one involved has said that the project is actually still on since the news broke.

So what is the conclusion to derive? The reboot was shelved. That's where the logic leads you.

Tell me - why can't you believe that they are telling the truth and the production was shelved?

 

[Private Pyle]

But, um, nobody did. Everyone took Robyn and Bob's word that it was shelved. Nobody questioned the sources. And in all the brouhaha nobody spoke up to say "It's not actually shelved and production is still going on."

This is my point. Someone put out a claim. People took it as trustworthy. No one has tried to disprove it in all this time. No one involved has said that the project is actually still on since the news broke.

So what is the conclusion to derive? The reboot was shelved. That's where the logic leads you.

Tell me - why can't you believe that they are telling the truth and the production was shelved?

Oh my god this is literally Twitter logic.

“Someone made a claim online and no one contested it. Therefore the claim is real. Checkmate sweetie.”

If you make a claim online and you don’t back it up with sources, you’re full of shit until proven otherwise. That’s internet 101.

The fact people are so gullible that they believe whatever people say online should be distressing, not celebrated in an internet slap fight.

>”Tell me - why can't you believe that they are telling the truth and the production was shelved?”

Because neither are involved in the reboot’s production, with Byrd not even working in the industry. To any normally functioning person this would be enough to cast doubt on their claims.

The sudden shift to full retard with you is honestly kind of disturbing. But I’ve gotten used to that in cartoon fandoms.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Oh my god this is literally Twitter logic.

“Someone made a claim online and no one contested it. Therefore the claim is real. Checkmate sweetie.”

If you make a claim online and you don’t back it up with sources, you’re full of shit until proven otherwise. That’s internet 101.

The fact people are so gullible that they believe whatever people say online should be distressing, not celebrated in an internet slap fight.

>”Tell me - why can't you believe that they are telling the truth and the production was shelved?”

Because neither are involved in the reboot’s production, with Byrd not even working in the industry. To any normally functioning person this would be enough to cast doubt on their claims.

The sudden shift to full retard with you is honestly kind of disturbing. But I’ve gotten used to that in cartoon fandoms.

I mean, Bob Camp came out with a source - the guy who was supposed to direct it - and you still don't believe it, so what's that worth?

The fact of the matter is that I've seen definitive statements from people who have connections in the industry that the reboot was shelved. I have seen no definitive statements from anyone with a connection in the industry that it was not.

If anyone has evidence, actual evidence, that the reboot is still in production I'd love to see it. But until I see otherwise, I'm fairly certain that it's shelved.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Oh good grief no. Very much a PG or at times even a U rating series rather than Doom Patrol's "how many profanities can we make Brendan Fraser say in a 30 second window."

But they do share that they both remain true to the source material rather than chasing the current zeitgeist. Doom Patrol's LGBTwhatever else rep was a decade and change ago rather than the band wagon jumping cringe we have now. Stargirl is pretty solidly committed to similar stuff done in the Stars and STRIPES/JSA comics. While there is more diversity representation (the cast are essentially a new JSA. Wildcat and Dr Midnight are a pair of non-white girls inspired by the originals and Hourman is the lone male teen currently in the group) it's an aside rather than a focus. Without spoiling it's actually possible to say that progressives are the villains of season 1.

Overly Serious will give better summaries than I do. However aside from Doom Patrol I do not know another current DC live action series I would say is as good and between the two at this point I think Stargirl is better (just about). Doom Patrol you could show to a fair number of people who might enjoy it as long as you're not worried about the gore/profanities. Stargirl almost anyone could enjoy it. Very young children would struggle with the plot and terminally nervous children might find some bits scary but frankly any child you would show Disney's Pinnochio movie too can cope with Stargirl.

the Wildcat and Dr. Midnite in the show are actually the Second Iterations, legacy heroes from Infinity Inc. That was a team book from back in the day about the kids of the JSA.

I.E. The show's at least being faithful enough to use relevant-to-JSA heroes, even if these ones died in the '90s and were footnotes outside of the '80s.

I'm surprised they chose Stargirl, but I guess it sort of makes sense. At least we don't have to see the Star-Spangled get fucked killed onscreen like he did at the end of the original Infinity Inc. comics.

 

[Private Pyle]

I mean, Bob Camp came out with a source - the guy who was supposed to direct it - and you still don't believe it, so what's that worth?

The fact of the matter is that I've seen definitive statements from people who have connections in the industry that the reboot was shelved. I have seen no definitive statements from anyone with a connection in the industry that it was not.

When I posted people who were supposed to be working on the show saying it was still on, you brushed it aside saying it didn’t count. The fact that you only count your findings and then “oh so what’s that worth?” just adds to your childishness.

If anyone has evidence, actual evidence, that the reboot is still in production I'd love to see it. But until I see otherwise, I'm fairly certain that it's shelved.

That’s another thing; outside of that Bob Camp screenshot, you never showed us these “definitive statements from people with connections”. So your word as a good as any Kiwi here with no ties to the industry.
Look, this stupid argument completely misses what I said; I never argued that it was a 100% in production, I’m just saying it was never confirmed cancelled and it’s still up in the air. What’s so hard about just saying it’s TBD or not to go around saying it’s dead as absolute fact?

the Wildcat and Dr. Midnite in the show are actually the Second Iterations, legacy heroes from Infinity Inc. That was a team book from back in the day about the kids of the JSA.

I.E. The show's at least being faithful enough to use relevant-to-JSA heroes, even if these ones died in the '90s and were footnotes outside of the '80s.

I'm surprised they chose Stargirl, but I guess it sort of makes sense. At least we don't have to see the Star-Spangled get fucked killed onscreen like he did at the end of the original Infinity Inc. comics.

Yeah for comic book fans, Stargirl is interesting for how it combines Johns’ run on Stars and STRIPES and JSA with elements of the lesser known Infinity Inc.

Personally, I enjoy the use of the B lister and C listers, especially since the Black Adam movie seems to be handling the big name Justice Society members.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

*insert autistic slapfight about whether or not the R&S reboot is happening here*

I'd say @Private Pyle is the one who has a point in his favor here. The argument of "WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING CONFIRMING PRODUCTION SO THEREFORE IT'S TOTALLY DEAD GUYS" can be debunked with three little words: High Guardian Spice.

After the initial "trailer" (and I'm using the term very loosely, since it was less about the show and more about "THE PRODUCTION TEAM IS MOSTLY WAHMEN, ISN'T THAT SO STUNNING AND BRAVE?!") dropped in 2018, it was damn near radio silence on the project for almost 3 years, with only Raye, the show's creator, occasionally saying "I-I-it's still totally happening guys!!!" breaking the silence. Literally everyone assumed it was dead and buried by Crunchyroll, never to appear again, only for them to surprise us all when an actual trailer dropped this past Saturday.

And before you say "WELL, THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE SHOW'S CREATOR CAME OUT TO CONFIRM PRODUCTION":

When I posted people who were supposed to be working on the show saying it was still on, you brushed it aside saying it didn’t count. The fact that you only count your findings and then “oh so what’s that worth?” just adds to your childishness.

Don't just assume things, @Steamboat_Bill. It just makes an ASS out of U and ME.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

*insert autistic slapfight about whether or not the R&S reboot is happening here*

I'd say @Private Pyle is the one who has a point in his favor here. The argument of "WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING CONFIRMING PRODUCTION SO THEREFORE IT'S TOTALLY DEAD GUYS" can be debunked with three little words: High Guardian Spice.

After the initial "trailer" (and I'm using the term very loosely, since it was less about the show and more about "THE PRODUCTION TEAM IS MOSTLY WAHMEN, ISN'T THAT SO STUNNING AND BRAVE?!") dropped in 2018, it was damn near radio silence on the project for almost 3 years, with only Raye, the show's creator, occasionally saying "I-I-it's still totally happening guys!!!" breaking the silence. Literally everyone assumed it was dead and buried by Crunchyroll, never to appear again, only for them to surprise us all when an actual trailer dropped this past Saturday.

And before you say "WELL, THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE SHOW'S CREATOR CAME OUT TO CONFIRM PRODUCTION":

Don't just assume things, @Steamboat_Bill. It just makes an ASS out of U and ME.

No one ever came out and said High Guardian Spice was shelved, though. That's what makes all the difference.

The only evidence people give for the reboot still being in production is Billy West saying "I haven't heard anything." He never confirmed that he was on the reboot, so this is essentially hearsay as well.

I really don't know what to say about the fact that I've heard more people saying it was shelved and it won't be going through than those saying it's still in production. There simply is no evidence the damn thing is going to be on the air.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

the Wildcat and Dr. Midnite in the show are actually the Second Iterations, legacy heroes from Infinity Inc. That was a team book from back in the day about the kids of the JSA.

I.E. The show's at least being faithful enough to use relevant-to-JSA heroes, even if these ones died in the '90s and were footnotes outside of the '80s.

I'm surprised they chose Stargirl, but I guess it sort of makes sense. At least we don't have to see the Star-Spangled get fucked killed onscreen like he did at the end of the original Infinity Inc. comics.

Ah cheers, I was aware of the Infinity Inc split off at one point but never saw that Wildcat or Doctor Midnite. May try to do a skim of them as well as a reread of the Stars and Stipes stuff.

I think they chose Stargirl because with one of the 2000 runs of JSA she was fairly prominent as a newcomer to the team but with some hero grounding thanks to starting a little bit before that JSA run kicked off as a teen hero with Pat's cosmic belt and Pat watching over her in the robot. She inherited the rod at the end of the Star Knight run when Jack Knight retired as Starman. So she was one of the first legacy heroes in that run of the JSA and with the show being a teen heroes series she probably seemed a good fit since they did not want to have a mob of adult heroes around. Using Pat as the connection to the past let them redo similar stories and themes already in the comics in her solo (ish) run and then, as you've pointed out, they used further legacy heroes as inspiration the team she's building there and potentially for other characters yet to crop up.

As was noted upthread a lot of it is generic high school drama stuff with the backdrop of super powers. Anyone tapped out on super hero live action stuff is not going to be reinvigorated by it unlike something like say Doom Patrol which is different enough to grab people's interest but it's seemingly made with decent intentions and is not trying as hard as many other such shows seem to be to be making a point about modern day political matters.

But this is very off topic. So with a Silverhawks reboots threatened what franchises are still out there people reckon might end up dredged out for the various streaming platforms? Inhumanoids and The Pirates of Dark Water are both ones I reckon someone might be tempted to do again, with the latter probably the easiest not to fuck up while still keeping the braying crowds happy. Though the midget one-legged pirate might see accusations of ableism.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Ah cheers, I was aware of the Infinity Inc split off at one point but never saw that Wildcat or Doctor Midnite. May try to do a skim of them as well as a reread of the Stars and Stipes stuff.

I think they chose Stargirl because with one of the 2000 runs of JSA she was fairly prominent as a newcomer to the team but with some hero grounding thanks to starting a little bit before that JSA run kicked off as a teen hero with Pat's cosmic belt and Pat watching over her in the robot. She inherited the rod at the end of the Star Knight run when Jack Knight retired as Starman. So she was one of the first legacy heroes in that run of the JSA and with the show being a teen heroes series she probably seemed a good fit since they did not want to have a mob of adult heroes around. Using Pat as the connection to the past let them redo similar stories and themes already in the comics in her solo (ish) run and then, as you've pointed out, they used further legacy heroes as inspiration the team she's building there and potentially for other characters yet to crop up.

As was noted upthread a lot of it is generic high school drama stuff with the backdrop of super powers. Anyone tapped out on super hero live action stuff is not going to be reinvigorated by it unlike something like say Doom Patrol which is different enough to grab people's interest but it's seemingly made with decent intentions and is not trying as hard as many other such shows seem to be to be making a point about modern day political matters.

But this is very off topic. So with a Silverhawks reboots threatened what franchises are still out there people reckon might end up dredged out for the various streaming platforms? Inhumanoids and The Pirates of Dark Water are both ones I reckon someone might be tempted to do again, with the latter probably the easiest not to fuck up while still keeping the braying crowds happy. Though the midget one-legged pirate might see accusations of ableism.

HBO Max would probably be the place for a Dark Water reboot but I think that's a little too obscure to ever get rebooted (which is probably a good thing)...

But maybe the series could get the closure it never originally got?

 

[Alexander Thaut]

When I posted people who were supposed to be working on the show saying it was still on, you brushed it aside saying it didn’t count. The fact that you only count your findings and then “oh so what’s that worth?” just adds to your childishness.

That’s another thing; outside of that Bob Camp screenshot, you never showed us these “definitive statements from people with connections”. So your word as a good as any Kiwi here with no ties to the industry.
Look, this stupid argument completely misses what I said; I never argued that it was a 100% in production, I’m just saying it was never confirmed cancelled and it’s still up in the air. What’s so hard about just saying it’s TBD or not to go around saying it’s dead as absolute fact?

Yeah for comic book fans, Stargirl is interesting for how it combines Johns’ run on Stars and STRIPES and JSA with elements of the lesser known Infinity Inc.

Personally, I enjoy the use of the B lister and C listers, especially since the Black Adam movie seems to be handling the big name Justice Society members.

as long as they don't turn alan scott into a faggot, i'm fine.

if they need a JSA member to turn gay, just do it to someone like Amazing Man or sth.

Ah cheers, I was aware of the Infinity Inc split off at one point but never saw that Wildcat or Doctor Midnite. May try to do a skim of them as well as a reread of the Stars and Stipes stuff.

I think they chose Stargirl because with one of the 2000 runs of JSA she was fairly prominent as a newcomer to the team but with some hero grounding thanks to starting a little bit before that JSA run kicked off as a teen hero with Pat's cosmic belt and Pat watching over her in the robot. She inherited the rod at the end of the Star Knight run when Jack Knight retired as Starman. So she was one of the first legacy heroes in that run of the JSA and with the show being a teen heroes series she probably seemed a good fit since they did not want to have a mob of adult heroes around. Using Pat as the connection to the past let them redo similar stories and themes already in the comics in her solo (ish) run and then, as you've pointed out, they used further legacy heroes as inspiration the team she's building there and potentially for other characters yet to crop up.

As was noted upthread a lot of it is generic high school drama stuff with the backdrop of super powers. Anyone tapped out on super hero live action stuff is not going to be reinvigorated by it unlike something like say Doom Patrol which is different enough to grab people's interest but it's seemingly made with decent intentions and is not trying as hard as many other such shows seem to be to be making a point about modern day political matters.

But this is very off topic. So with a Silverhawks reboots threatened what franchises are still out there people reckon might end up dredged out for the various streaming platforms? Inhumanoids and The Pirates of Dark Water are both ones I reckon someone might be tempted to do again, with the latter probably the easiest not to fuck up while still keeping the braying crowds happy. Though the midget one-legged pirate might see accusations of ableism.

Stargirl was always a potential one to push, but then N52 kneecapped her and the JSA.

She's still a good fit.

The Yolanda Montez-Wildcat heroine debuted in the original crisis and kinda just joined at the latter part of infinity inc. She dies in a shitty 90s era Eclipso miniseries, alongside the black Dr. Midnite heroine and Original Commander Steel. (lol Creeper and Nemesis and Peacekeeper got retconned to living.)

I forget when the Beth Chapel Dr Midnite appears. I think she was one of the early ones in infinity inc. but they didn't really give her much aside from being a black woman version of the original Dr. Midnite and also being willing to put her life on the line to be a superhero. She was sort of bland but never had the chance to stand out much beyond being an altruistic legacy hero.


kind of a shame ngl. Although I did grow to like the third Dr. Midnite, Pieter Cross. Yolanda also didn't get much time to shine, but she was introduced right off the bad as being Ted Grant's god daughter or sth.

 

[Private Pyle]

No one ever came out and said High Guardian Spice was shelved, though. That's what makes all the difference.

Only two people have said R&S reboot was shelved and one isn’t even in animation anymore. That’s not much of a difference.

The only evidence people give for the reboot still being in production is Billy West saying "I haven't heard anything." He never confirmed that he was on the reboot, so this is essentially hearsay as well.

I’ve tried showing you potential evidence in the past and you’ve brushed it aside. It seems only what you say doesn’t count as hearsay.

I really don't know what to say about the fact that I've heard more people saying it was shelved and it won't be going through than those saying it's still in production.

You claim to be hearing all these people saying it’s shelved yet you provide no source. This isn’t twitter, we’re not going to believe “dude just trust me”.

There simply is no evidence the damn thing is going to be on the air.

For the millionth time, not a single one of us ever claimed that it was a sure thing, just that isn’t completely kill.
You’re the only so adamant that it’s dead as fuck, as if your mother’s life depends on this reboot being cancelled.

But this is very off topic. So with a Silverhawks reboots threatened what franchises are still out there people reckon might end up dredged out for the various streaming platforms? Inhumanoids and The Pirates of Dark Water are both ones I reckon someone might be tempted to do again, with the latter probably the easiest not to fuck up while still keeping the braying crowds happy. Though the midget one-legged pirate might see accusations of ableism.

I was just thinking about Inhumanoids the other day. IMO, if you gave it a better budget, good writers and aimed it at an older audience, it could be the closest we’ll ever get to a Warhammer 40K cartoon. Pretty cool.

Like many reboots, something like Dark Water could only really receive a new installment of the writers prove competent. In the right hands, a new PoDW could be like He Man 2002 or ThunderCats 2011. In the hands of hacks, they’ll fuck it up and laugh at you for caring about an obscure IP.

as long as they don't turn alan scott into a faggot, i'm fine.

if they need a JSA member to turn gay, just do it to someone like Amazing Man or sth.

Same but with the GL TV show going with gay Alan, who knows how it will go down.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

For the millionth time, not a single one of us ever claimed that it was a sure thing, just that isn’t completely kill.
You’re the only so adamant that it’s dead as fuck, as if your mother’s life depends on this reboot being cancelled.

Yes, shelved does not mean completely killed and they could bring it back into production at any time... but consider the bad publicity they got for announcing it. Consider all the people who were saying John K. was going to use the reboot to prey on underage girls. If that happened, you think a big company like Viacom would want that associated with them?

That's why it's likely completely dead, unless John somehow dies or goes to jail.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

HBO Max would probably be the place for a Dark Water reboot but I think that's a little too obscure to ever get rebooted (which is probably a good thing)...

But maybe the series could get the closure it never originally got?

Perhaps. As you say it's a bit too obscure but of course obscure properties presumably are also available on the cheap. That said I believe it was a Hanna-Barbera production and David Kirschner wrote for it so they'd be the most likely ones to be behind any reboot notions. And much like Dino Riders its obscurity might be a blessing.

It's an awkward situation the series' lack of an ending. It was a decent enough show that not getting an ending is balanced out by not having a bad ending either.

as long as they don't turn alan scott into a faggot, i'm fine.

if they need a JSA member to turn gay, just do it to someone like Amazing Man or sth.

I'm pretty sure we're getting gay Alan. Whether or not this means we're getting Obsidian who was gay from quite a while ago in the comics I'm not certain, though a version of him showed up in one of the other DC CW shows. Stargirl spoiler: we've had Green Lanterns daughter show up in Season 2 which I assume is going to be Jade. From what I recall of Alan Scott being gay I'm fairly certain that iteration did not have children. But I also think no show runner at the moment would dare use an outdated straight version though see the end of the post for more on that.

Stargirl was always a potential one to push, but then N52 kneecapped her and the JSA.

She's still a good fit.

The Yolanda Montez-Wildcat heroine debuted in the original crisis and kinda just joined at the latter part of infinity inc. She dies in a shitty 90s era Eclipso miniseries, alongside the black Dr. Midnite heroine and Original Commander Steel. (lol Creeper and Nemesis and Peacekeeper got retconned to living.)

I forget when the Beth Chapel Dr Midnite appears. I think she was one of the early ones in infinity inc. but they didn't really give her much aside from being a black woman version of the original Dr. Midnite and also being willing to put her life on the line to be a superhero. She was sort of bland but never had the chance to stand out much beyond being an altruistic legacy hero.

kind of a shame ngl. Although I did grow to like the third Dr. Midnite, Pieter Cross. Yolanda also didn't get much time to shine, but she was introduced right off the bad as being Ted Grant's god daughter or sth.

I did not catch enough of N52 to find out how they mangled the JSA thankfully.

Whole lot of deaths there, cleaning up excess characters or big crossover event where they needed to kill people to show off? Also Stargirl spoiler this season's got Eclipso in it. Hopefully the two characters will get a bit more well known from a live action run. Ideally in a good way.

I was just thinking about Inhumanoids the other day. IMO, if you gave it a better budget, good writers and aimed it at an older audience, it could be the closest we’ll ever get to a Warhammer 40K cartoon. Pretty cool.

It's basically a kaiju series really, just with more chatty monsters. I think they'd probably hammer in some environmental messages too but it'd be fairly simple since there was so little of it originally.

Like many reboots, something like Dark Water could only really receive a new installment of the writers prove competent. In the right hands, a new PoDW could be like He Man 2002 or ThunderCats 2011. In the hands of hacks, they’ll fuck it up and laugh at you for caring about an obscure IP.

Pretty much. It was largely interesting because of its setting, the core story was a fairly generic Mcguffin hunt and Ren arguably is incredibly by the numbers in terms of his character even if inoffensively so, but having it be a not quite apocalyptic setting but one sort of living through an ongoing apocalypse that most people are pretty deep in denial about how bad it's gotten is a nice notion.

Hm, Roswell Conspiracies is another one they could redo I suppose.

Same but with the GL TV show going with gay Alan, who knows how it will go down.

I think, and will quickly check, that most of the new DC live action shows have their own Earth whereas all the CW stuff is on Earth Prime...yes. Stargirl, Green Lantern, Superman and Lois as well as Doom Patrol, Titans and Swamp Thing are all in separate Earths. So the Alan Scott on Green Lantern Earth may also exist on Stargirl Earth. It should be noted that the CW Flash show at least treated Earth hopping as borderline effortless after a certain point in its run so none of the Earths can be considered safely isolated.

 

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Perhaps. As you say it's a bit too obscure but of course obscure properties presumably are also available on the cheap. That said I believe it was a Hanna-Barbera production and David Kirschner wrote for it so they'd be the most likely ones to be behind any reboot notions. And much like Dino Riders its obscurity might be a blessing.

It's an awkward situation the series' lack of an ending. It was a decent enough show that not getting an ending is balanced out by not having a bad ending either.

But obscure properties are the ones that aren't going to get you any reboot buzz... But then again, once everything's been rebooted I guess they'll do those instead. I expect them to announce a Toonsylvania reboot in 2027.