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[tulskij_tochnyj]

The authorities are cracking down on antioxidant use in COVID-19. They unironically want people to die.

Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. NAC is very safe (and definitely safer than most of readily available NSAIDs). In my country, it's an OTC mucolytic drug.

 

[Escaped Abortion]

Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. NAC is very safe (and definitely safer than most of readily available NSAIDs). In my country, it's an OTC mucolytic drug.

I still have a fair amount, but is it the cysteine we need or specifically the NAC form? Would eating enough poultry be helpful if one runs out of NAC or just stockpile?

 

[JosephStalin]

Some Reason articles.

Are Mask Requirements in Schools Necessary to Control COVID-19?

The evidence that the benefits outweigh the costs is not nearly as impressive as mandate enthusiasts imply.

reason.com

Are Mask Requirements in Schools Necessary to Control COVID-19? – Rea…

archived 12 Aug 2021 23:16:20 UTC

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CDC...how fucking useless...

CDC Took Mistaken Data on Delta Variant Transmissibility From a New York Times Infographic

Plus: Dominion defamation suit against Trump lawyers can proceed, prices rose 0.5 percent in June, and more...

reason.com

CDC Took Mistaken Data on Delta Variant Transmissibility From a New Y…

archived 12 Aug 2021 23:16:36 UTC

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This is utterly fucked up.

COVID Travel Bans Are a Death Sentence for This Remote Border Town

One of America's most isolated communities has struggled to weather the pandemic.

reason.com

COVID Travel Bans Are a Death Sentence for This Remote Border Town – …

archived 12 Aug 2021 23:16:54 UTC

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Hmmm....

State Governments Didn't Need Coronavirus Bailouts. They Got Billions of Dollars Anyway.

As it turns out, state and local tax revenues hardly collapsed.

reason.com

State Governments Didn’t Need Coronavirus Bailouts. They Got Billions…

archived 12 Aug 2021 23:17:13 UTC

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[Drain Todger]

I still have a fair amount, but is it the cysteine we need or specifically the NAC form? Would eating enough poultry be helpful if one runs out of NAC or just stockpile?

In a pinch, regular cysteine will do the trick. It raises your glutathione levels, and the glutathione, in turn, acts as a substrate for glutathione peroxidase, breaking down harmful hydrogen peroxide into water. Neutrophils (and their degranulation products and NETs) need hydrogen peroxide to synthesize hypochlorous acid. The enzyme superoxide dismutase requires superoxide to make hydrogen peroxide. Myeloperoxidase requires hydrogen peroxide and chlorine ions to make hypochlorous acid. Hypochlorous acid is far more reactive than its sodium salt, sodium hypochlorite, which is the active ingredient in household bleach. Like 80 times more reactive on a per-molecule basis. If you break down excess hydrogen peroxide with antioxidant enzymes like catalase or glutathione peroxidase, it “starves” MPO of its H2O2 substrate. This means less hypochlorous acid, which means less iron being stripped from heme, less lipid peroxidation, and more blood oxygenation.

But that’s not all. NAC may have multiple inhibitory effects against COVID-19:

N-Acetylcysteine to Combat COVID-19: An Evidence Review

The novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19) is caused by a virus (SARS-Cov-2) and is known for inducing multisystem organ dysfunction associated with significant morbidity and mortality. Current therapeutic strategies for COVID-19 have failed to effectively ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

N-Acetylcysteine as Adjuvant Therapy for COVID-19 – A Perspectiv | JIR

N-Acetylcysteine as Adjuvant Therapy for COVID-19 – A Perspective on the Current State of the Evidence

www.dovepress.com

 

[Blobby's Murder Knife]

In a pinch, regular cysteine will do the trick. It raises your glutathione levels, and the glutathione, in turn, acts as a substrate for glutathione peroxidase, breaking down harmful hydrogen peroxide into water. Neutrophils (and their degranulation products and NETs) need hydrogen peroxide to synthesize hypochlorous acid. The enzyme superoxide dismutase requires superoxide to make hydrogen peroxide. Myeloperoxidase requires hydrogen peroxide and chlorine ions to make hypochlorous acid. Hypochlorous acid is far more reactive than its sodium salt, sodium hypochlorite, which is the active ingredient in household bleach. Like 80 times more reactive on a per-molecule basis. If you break down excess hydrogen peroxide with antioxidant enzymes like catalase or glutathione peroxidase, it “starves” MPO of its H2O2 substrate. This means less hypochlorous acid, which means less iron being stripped from heme, less lipid peroxidation, and more blood oxygenation.

But that’s not all. NAC may have multiple inhibitory effects against COVID-19:

N-Acetylcysteine to Combat COVID-19: An Evidence Review

The novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19) is caused by a virus (SARS-Cov-2) and is known for inducing multisystem organ dysfunction associated with significant morbidity and mortality. Current therapeutic strategies for COVID-19 have failed to effectively ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

N-Acetylcysteine as Adjuvant Therapy for COVID-19 – A Perspectiv | JIR

N-Acetylcysteine as Adjuvant Therapy for COVID-19 – A Perspective on the Current State of the Evidence

www.dovepress.com

Interestingly enough, you can no longer buy it easily. Last year, I bought a bit from Amazon and liked it. Just recently ran out and found out it was banned for making false claims about liver health or some shit, which I remember reading papers that suggested it, but I can't recall any of the sources I used claiming that it was solely for that use or anything. I really don't remember too many specific claims at all. It is sort of sus, tbh.

 

[Tookie]

Wasn't NYC the first?

NYC announced theirs earlier but they said they aren't going be enforcing it until next month. SF's is supposed to go into effect next week.

 

[General Disarray]

Holy power outages Batman! Finally got it restored after being out since Tuesday night. Good to be back.

News from my state:

Apparently they're starting a trial here in WI to administer the vax to children under 12.

Moderna COVID-19 vaccine study for children under 12 starting at UW Health

The clinical trial comes as Moderna awaits FDA authorization for ages 12 to 17.

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Also, Summerfest is requiring all attendees to the outdoor festival to show papers or a negative test. Because some bands say they won't play if that rule is not instituted I guess. Meh, I saw the Crue on their farewell tour there and Maiden the year after that. I don't even recognize the majority of the names on the roster anymore. I can understand it, since we lost our entire festival season last year they need to make good with the talent. I am curious how many people will attend this year though.

 

[Kona_A9]

Why don't they make the "vaccine" a real vaccine with inert virus particles that gives immunity?

Why this RNA BS that makes the "vaccine" fairly ineffective?

Assuming the former can be, I guess they do the latter instead to keep the scam going endlessly.

My understanding is that more traditional inactivated virus vaccines have not worked at all for past coronaviruses, so the expectation was that it wouldn't work for COVID-19. That's part of why the Chinese vaccines, which use an inactivated virus, have been lambasted as not having a chance (other than their coming from China, making their quality suspicious immediately).

I believe the only kind of vaccine that comes close to mimicking a natural infection and providing more robust immunity is a live virus vaccine, but apparently those are quite dangerous and take a long time to develop and test.

They went with mRNA and viral vector, because they are relatively new approaches in regards to coronaviruses and the thought was that they could be developed quickly (taking advantage of the possibility of emergency use authorizations) and this would be an opportunity to test them in humans on a massive scale.

disclaimer: I'm probably full of shit and you shouldn't listen to me

 

[Mrs. Addams]

Anybody know anything about this new H.R. 4980 bill that sounds like it's trying to ban the unvaccinated from traveling by air?

Actions - H.R.4980 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to ensure that any individual traveling on a flight that departs from or arrives to an airport inside the United States or a territory of the United States

Actions on H.R.4980 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to ensure that any individual traveling on a flight that departs from or arrives to an airport inside the United States or a territory of the United States is fully vaccinated against COVID-19, and for...

www.congress.gov

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Actions - H.R.4980 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to ensure that any individual traveling on a flight that departs from or arrives to an airport inside the United States or a territory of the United States

Actions on H.R.4980 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to ensure that any individual traveling on a flight that departs from or arrives to an airport inside the United States or a territory of the United States is fully vaccinated against COVID-19, and for...

www.congress.gov

 

[Drain Todger]

Well, shit. This is not good. How many people have been vaccinated, again?

DEFINE_ME

Antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) of infection is a safety concern for vaccine strategies. In a recent publication, Li et al. (Cell 184 :1-17, 2021) have reported that infection-enhancing antibodies directed against the N-terminal domain (NTD) of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein facilitate virus infection in vitro, but not in vivo. However, this study was performed with the original Wuhan/D614G strain. Since the Covid-19 pandemic is now dominated with Delta variants, we analyzed the interaction of facilitating antibodies with the NTD of these variants. Using molecular modelling approaches, we show that enhancing antibodies have a higher affinity for Delta variants than for Wuhan/D614G NTDs. We show that enhancing antibodies reinforce the binding of the spike trimer to the host cell membrane by clamping the NTD to lipid raft microdomains. This stabilizing mechanism may facilitate the conformational change that induces the demasking of the receptor binding domain. As the NTD is also targeted by neutralizing antibodies, our data suggest that the balance between neutralizing and facilitating antibodies in vaccinated individuals is in favor of neutralization for the original Wuhan/D614G strain. However, in the case of the Delta variant, neutralizing antibodies have a decreased affinity for the spike protein, whereas facilitating antibodies display a strikingly increased affinity. Thus, ADE may be a concern for people receiving vaccines based on the original Wuhan strain spike sequence (either mRNA or viral vectors). Under these circumstances, second generation vaccines with spike protein formulations lacking structurally-conserved ADE-related epitopes should be considered.

 

[Derka Derka]

Most Covid patients at Israeli hospital fully vaccinated? What does this mean for Australia? | The Spectator Australia

Israel has been held up as the “gold standard” of how to conduct the coronavirus vaccine rollout. It has seen approximately 70% of its population receive the jab. The Israelis have relied in the main…

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Israel has been held up as the “gold standard” of how to conduct the coronavirus vaccine rollout. It has seen approximately 70% of its population receive the jab. The Israelis have relied in the main on the Pfizer vaccine. However, recently the country’s Prime Minister, Naftali Bennett, stated that the Pfizer vaccine is ‘significantly less’ effective against the so-called Delta variant. This follows on from a statement last June by Ran Balicer, who leads an expert advisory panel for the Israeli government, in announcing that the country might end up in lockdown again. Balicer and other officials said that 90 per cent of the new cases were caused by the Delta variant.

Now an Israeli doctor has revealed a bombshell during a television interview. In the interview on August 5 with Israel’s Chanel 13, Dr Kobi Haviv, medical director of Herzog Hospital in Jerusalem, stated that the majority of coronavirus patients in an Israeli hospital are fully vaccinated, including those with severe disease.

Dr Haviv further specified that: “95% of the severe patients are vaccinated,” adding “85-90% of the hospitalizations are in fully vaccinated people” and the hospital is “opening more and more COVID wards.” This has led him to conclude that “the effectiveness of the vaccine is fading out.”

Of the 72 hospitalized COVID-19 patients, 25 patients were in “critical condition”, 38 were in “moderate” condition, and 9 were in “mild” condition. There were two deaths reported at the time of the interview.

Data from the Israeli Minister of Health released on July 22 declared that the effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine at preventing COVID-19 has plummeted from 90 percent to only 39 percent, coinciding with the spread of the Delta variant in the country.

Spoiler: Full article text

Israel has been held up as the “gold standard” of how to conduct the coronavirus vaccine rollout. It has seen approximately 70% of its population receive the jab. The Israelis have relied in the main on the Pfizer vaccine. However, recently the country’s Prime Minister, Naftali Bennett, stated that the Pfizer vaccine is ‘significantly less’ effective against the so-called Delta variant. This follows on from a statement last June by Ran Balicer, who leads an expert advisory panel for the Israeli government, in announcing that the country might end up in lockdown again. Balicer and other officials said that 90 per cent of the new cases were caused by the Delta variant.

Now an Israeli doctor has revealed a bombshell during a television interview. In the interview on August 5 with Israel’s Chanel 13, Dr Kobi Haviv, medical director of Herzog Hospital in Jerusalem, stated that the majority of coronavirus patients in an Israeli hospital are fully vaccinated, including those with severe disease.

Dr Haviv further specified that: “95% of the severe patients are vaccinated,” adding “85-90% of the hospitalizations are in fully vaccinated people” and the hospital is “opening more and more COVID wards.” This has led him to conclude that “the effectiveness of the vaccine is fading out.”

Of the 72 hospitalized COVID-19 patients, 25 patients were in “critical condition”, 38 were in “moderate” condition, and 9 were in “mild” condition. There were two deaths reported at the time of the interview.

Data from the Israeli Minister of Health released on July 22 declared that the effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine at preventing COVID-19 has plummeted from 90 percent to only 39 percent, coinciding with the spread of the Delta variant in the country.

All this begs a significant question as far as Australia is concerned. After National Cabinet on July 30, Prime Minister Scott Morrison announced that there will be “special rules” for people who are vaccinated because they present “less of a public health risk” However, in light of the above, why are our politicians and health officials insisting on this rhetoric, and that vaccinations are the way out of these ‘Delta’ induced lockdowns, when evidence is mounting to the contrary?


A Covid-19 outbreak in a Massachusetts county in July primarily occurred among vaccinated people, sparking fears that a variant of the virus can impact that population more than other strains.

Of the 469 cases detected in Barnstable County, 74 per cent occurred among the fully vaccinated, according to a new study published by the CDC on 30 July. It also emerged last month that 49 fully vaccinated people in New Jersey died of coronavirus.

Across the Atlantic, early analysis from Public Health England suggests vaccinated people infected with the Delta variant may be as infectious as their unvaccinated counterparts. The PHE technical briefing indicates that that “whilst vaccination may reduce an individual’s overall risk of becoming infected, once they are infected there is limited difference in viral load between those who are vaccinated and unvaccinated.”

What is even more concerning is that, as alerted to by the Doctors for Covid Ethics, a Freedom of Information request to the Australian drugs regulator, the Therapeutic Goods Administration that granted provisional approval to the Pfizer vaccine, confirms that it has never seen the study data.

In other words, the TGA never saw or requested the patient data from Pfizer and simply accepted their reporting of their study as true.This means that when the head of the TGA John Skerritt said that “the safety evidence is pretty thorough” on February 6, his words would ring hollow to most Australians who have assumed, rightly or wrongly, that the TGA had actually looked at the patient data before granting any such approval. As noted by Doctors for Covid Ethics on its website, it is currently not known whether any of the major government agencies around the globe (FDA, MHRA or EMA) has independently verified, or attempted to verify, Pfizer’s data, before proceeding with provisional/emergency authorisation of Pfizer’s mRNA therapy vaccine.

For any government, either by itself or via corporate proxy, to attempt to mandate vaccines in circumstances where there has not been adequate testing and analysis of risks as well as benefits would constitute not only a violation of the principle of informed consent (which Prime Minister Scott Morrison has stated he believes in – see this press conference as an example) — but a violation of Australia’s obligations under international law with respect to medical experimentation.

Indeed, after National Cabinet on August 6, Scott Morrison indicated that mandatory vaccination could breach privacy laws, discrimination laws, and Australia’s policy remained that vaccines should be voluntary and free. In particular, he declared: “In our country, everyone has choices and they have choices that are supported by the rule of law and simply making the point that those choices have to be exercised, are consistent with the rule of law.”

Let’s just see if these will simply be more hollow words from the hollow man.

Dr Rocco Loiacono is a Senior Lecturer at Curtin University Law School.

 

[Heinrich Maneuver]

Uk Gov makes a billion pound deal with Pfizer for 35 million vaccines. Anyone else keep getting the NHS bothering them for the jab still? Expect that to be ramped up despite the 1.2 million people waiting for essential NHS services like brain surgery and breast cancer screening. Got my hands on an Irish digital vaccine pass thingy that (i assume) you can print out onto standard printer paper for when i require my vax loicence

 

[Escaped Abortion]

Anybody know anything about this new H.R. 4980 bill that sounds like it's trying to ban the unvaccinated from traveling by air?

Actions - H.R.4980 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to ensure that any individual traveling on a flight that departs from or arrives to an airport inside the United States or a territory of the United States

Actions on H.R.4980 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to ensure that any individual traveling on a flight that departs from or arrives to an airport inside the United States or a territory of the United States is fully vaccinated against COVID-19, and for...

www.congress.gov

Spoiler: Archive

Actions - H.R.4980 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to ensure that any individual traveling on a flight that departs from or arrives to an airport inside the United States or a territory of the United States

Actions on H.R.4980 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to ensure that any individual traveling on a flight that departs from or arrives to an airport inside the United States or a territory of the United States is fully vaccinated against COVID-19, and for...

www.congress.gov

I saw that yesterday. Definitely troubling. They have infringed so much on the right to free travel, not surprised they want to infringe further. I hate to think of what will fall under "other purposes." I feel like I shouldn't have to pay taxes if they aren't going to let me use any of the infrastructure.

Oh well, will join the holdouts and get Waco'd if it comes to it. Hopefully Delta will burn through and they can move onto something else to hand wring before it reaches that level, or the ADE comes along to save the rest and doesn't kill anyone someone here would miss.

 

[Ari Gold]

Been fucked up for the past 3 days with aches, a sore throat, and fatigue. Lost pretty much all of my ability to taste this evening. It's pretty much official: I got the coof. Seems like I am almost past it at this point, sucks not being able to enjoy my favorite kind of pizza though. I deserve it for messing with dirty girls.

I am big pussy when I am sick, but don't feel like this has been any worse than other colds I have had in the past even if this was the super-nigga delta plus variant.

 

[Escaped Abortion]

Been fucked up for the past 3 days with aches, a sore throat, and fatigue. Lost pretty much all of my ability to taste this evening. It's pretty much official: I got the coof. Seems like I am almost past it at this point, sucks not being able to enjoy my favorite kind of pizza though. I deserve it for messing with dirty girls.

I am big pussy when I am sick, but don't feel like this has been any worse than other colds I have had in the past even if this was the super-nigga delta plus variant.

Hope you continue on the mend, but if you die and find yourself a ghost fly over to my house and leave a sign. Knock over a cereal box or something.

 

[spinal gas chamber]

Why don't they make the "vaccine" a real vaccine with inert virus particles that gives immunity?

Someone posted it earlier but there is no vaccination for the common cold. Which is…. Well, don’t trust me. Trust WebMD.

Causes of the Common Cold

There are more than 200 viruses that can cause a common cold with 20-30% caused by "unknown" bugs. See a list of the most common virus types that cause colds.

www.webmd.com

 

[Fliddaroonie]

I copied "completely vindicated but unable to get any satisfaction from it" into a search bar (duckduckgo) without the quote marks and got, the 5 secrets of sexually satisfied women. I still don't have a word, but clearly women might know.

Have you tried asking the Germans or the Finns? I feel like they would have such a word.


Edited to say: I feel like the term a Pyrrhic victory might be apt. Because sometimes we win the battles, but I'm not holding my breath on the war, you know? That said that's not what a Pyrrhic victory is, it's the win of a battle but with a cost so steep and high one might as well have lost.

 

[Thomas Highway]

 

[Without A Gout]

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Paper PLZ

New thread theme:

Arstotzka has zero tolerance for insubordination. Your family will be sent to the nearest vaccination center. You are under arrest until your social credit score is satisfactory. Glory to Arstotzka! America!

What is in the news?

The children's ICU is out of beds!

Think of the children, anti-vaxxer! https://archive.li/xeo8s

 

[Car Won't Crank]

I saw that yesterday. Definitely troubling. They have infringed so much on the right to free travel, not surprised they want to infringe further. I hate to think of what will fall under "other purposes." I feel like I shouldn't have to pay taxes if they aren't going to let me use any of the infrastructure.

Oh well, will join the holdouts and get Waco'd if it comes to it. Hopefully Delta will burn through and they can move onto something else to hand wring before it reaches that level, or the ADE comes along to save the rest and doesn't kill anyone someone here would miss.

Slight tinfoil hat thought, how much longer do you think until there are military style checkpoints setup on major interstates at state borders if this fiasco keeps going? Doesn't seem like the higher ups want to let this go until some endgame.