Clashes between Jews and Palestinians in Jerusalem. Israel now invading Gaza according to (Questionable) Reports - If your thoughts are "I don't like either" you don't need to fucking post because it's been said 100 times you fucking dullard

[HumbleFarmer]

eh, no reason they cant just store them in a site designated for iron dome missiles

 

[theshep]

eh, no reason they cant just store them in a site designated for iron dome missiles

Yeah, but they wouldn't be ICBM systems.... they'd surely leave a larger footprint.. particularly if it was 400 of them!

 

[CWCissey]

400 would have to be on the super, super, super optimistic end of the scale.

Do they even have the capability to manufacture or store that many without raising the suspicions or ire of other countries? (lol, not including Iran.)

They tend to operate on a schtum policy. Israel won't confirm or deny having nukes.

Although a popular theory is they taught the South African government how to make nukes during Apartheid.

 

[Homophobic white dog]

a lot of noise is made about the samson option, but how many nukes does Israel actually have? Seems to me that its as much a psychological tool as an actual threat

People who whine about Samson don't understand how it works. The premise is they'd nuke the living shit out of the region if Israeli territory is invaded and there's no way to hold back the enemy.
It's a rational policy, if you're about to lose you want to make sure the enemy pays dearly for it. I wouldn't have any other policy in case of existential threat.

The answer is simple: don't fuck with a cornered dog.
And thankfully nobody's fucking with it, so nobody's risking a thing.

 

[Protistology]

they'd nuke the living shit out of the region

Stop lying Moshe.

Israel has been building nuclear weapons for 30 years. The Jews understand what passive and powerless acceptance of doom has meant for them in the past, and they have ensured against it. Masada was not an example to follow—it hurt the Romans not a whit, but Samson in Gaza? What would serve the Jew-hating world better in repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a Nuclear Winter. Or invite all those tut-tutting European statesmen and peace activists to join us in the ovens? For the first time in history, a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away—unlike the Armenians, Tibetans, World War II European Jews or Rwandans—have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice?

https://archive.md/cBcKR

We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

https://archive.ph/qA0LR

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Stop lying Moshe.

https://archive.md/cBcKR

https://archive.ph/qA0LR

The first is just some random Jewish professor who is seething who as far as I can tell isn't even israeli. The second is a military historian who has little connection to the IDF. The entire idea of the Samson option striking anywhere but the immediate attackers of Israel comes from people with weak ties to the IDF/Israeli government at best.

 

[Homophobic white dog]

Stop lying Moshe.

https://archive.md/cBcKR

https://archive.ph/qA0LR

First article, you're projecting a country's nuclear policy on an American's op-ed, which is pretty stupid.
Second article, you're quoting some guy saying a lot of horseshit; Israel's military is not the third or second strongest in the world, many countries would wipe the floor with it - though none in the MENA region - Israeli planes can't reach Rome before being shot down in the Mediterranean with their air tankers by the Italian air force, and there is absolutely no reason for Israel to nuke the shit out of Rome in a Samson scenario. No, they wont go east of Tehran and west of Cairo.
Though, to be honest, the bigger and more widespread the damage, the better for any country trying to make sure the enemy pays for its victory. Once again it's common sense, it doesn't even have anything to do with political partiality.
If Pakistan were to fall to India, honest to God I hope the entire Gangetic plain turns to ash if that's the last thing Pakistan will ever do, and Pakistan has the means; enemy victories must be expensive, it's basic military doctrine, and basic common sense. Nobody cares about the dead, or to be specific, they are the point.

Once again, being a rabid dog helps being taken seriously, and nobody really fucks with Israel. Chill out.

 

[introman]

Stop lying Moshe.

https://archive.md/cBcKR

https://archive.ph/qA0LR

Sorry bro, but the actual Samson option is way more low-tech and way less Hollywood. According to the guy who termed the phrase, it was to detonate a nuclear device in a neighboring countries empty desert in war to destroy a bunch of land and scare the Arab armies at the time.

In May 1967, Ya’tza took it upon himself – with his commanders’ blessing -- to add an operational-military dimension to the fast-created, new situation on the ground. He drew a preliminary contingency plan – codenamed “Shimshon” (“Samson”) – proposing how such an improvised device could be exploded for demonstrative purposes. To be clear, the operation would have been purely demonstrative, yet the crash effort to make such a contingency plan possible is indicative of the enormous anxiety in Israel in those days.

In a series of interviews I conducted with Ya’tza during the summer and the fall of 1999, he told me a great deal about his role in conceiving, proposing, planning and ultimately preparing for the Shimshon operation—that is, exploding a nuclear device—to be conducted in a desolate part of the eastern Sinai.

The Israeli's have done a tactic like this before in 1947-1949 by using an improvised mortar launcher that was obnoxiusly loud called the "Davidka".

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

FUCK ISRAEL

 

[JambledUpWords]

FUCK ISRAEL

Not on the first date, sicko. You have to take Israel on a date first

 

[Moe Szylak]

People who whine about Samson don't understand how it works. The premise is they'd nuke the living shit out of the region if Israeli territory is invaded and there's no way to hold back the enemy.
It's a rational policy, if you're about to lose you want to make sure the enemy pays dearly for it. I wouldn't have any other policy in case of existential threat.

The answer is simple: don't fuck with a cornered dog.
And thankfully nobody's fucking with it, so nobody's risking a thing.

Shut up, Jew. Hitler fucked up big time by not being the genocidal maniac that you parasitic nation wreckers constantly portray him as.

Imagine being such a blatant K1ke shill that you compare Israel to a "cornered dog" when the entire ZOG controlled western world panders to them and opposes any nation which dares to defy the hebes.....

 

[Homophobic white dog]

Shut up, Jew. Hitler fucked up big time by not being the genocidal maniac that you parasitic nation wreckers constantly portray him as.

Imagine being such a blatant K1ke shill that you compare Israel to a "cornered dog" when the entire ZOG controlled western world panders to them and opposes any nation which dares to defy the hebes.....

Back when the strategy was formulated there was no better description for Israel, relative to its neighbourhood, than "cornered dog".
Not the case now, of course.

Hitler went after the wrong Jews, who were out of his reach. Wish he'd went after the kikes in New York and London rather than the poor shmucks in some eastern European shithole. In as far as this, he should've won World War II.

 

[biozeminadae1]

Back when the strategy was formulated there was no better description for Israel, relative to its neighbourhood, than "cornered dog".
Not the case now, of course.

Hitler went after the wrong Jews, who were out of his reach. Wish he'd went after the kikes in New York and London rather than the poor shmucks in some eastern European shithole. In as far as this, he should've won World War II.

There were no "wrong Jews" - the scum settles everywhere it pleases. Ashkenazi Jews were for the creation of an Israeli nation-state, ie, they were Zionist.

Sure, they were "cornered dogs", but in terms of education and capability, they were beyond all those Arabs. Having been a part of European civilization for so long(as they are also partly responsible for it), they had a head-start.

I sort of like Israel now, because it's proven itself for the land it was given, but there's a degree of sympathy I feel for the Palestinians who've lost territory that was ethnically dominated by them. It's literally unfair.

 

[AnOminous]

I sort of like Israel now, because it's proven itself for the land it was given, but there's a degree of sympathy I feel to the Palestinians who've lost territory that was ethnically dominated by them. It's literally unfair.

As much of the unfairness as exists is inflicted on them by their own leadership. They went from the utterly corrupt Fatah, that protected only its own interests and that of its cronies, and even arguably deliberately sabotaged peace accords simply to maintain its own power, to Hamas, which is slightly less corrupt, but even more extremist.

The general borders in a two-state solution, which most people on both sides want, are already known but on the verge of actually signing anything, Yasser Arafat decided he'd rather be a terrorist. Note, this is after the civilized world gave both sides Nobel Peace Prizes, yet another example of aspirational Nobels, like Obama's, where they give them a Peace Prize in advance in the hopes they'll actually do something. Those never work.

I seriously doubt there will ever be a solution in my lifetime and sometimes I think we should just nuke the whole region.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

I seriously doubt there will ever be a solution in my lifetime and sometimes I think we should just nuke the whole region.

There is only one practical solution now: Israel integrates most of the West Bank (Area C specifically) and extends Israeli law over the territory, offers citizenship to the 300,000 or so Palestinians who live there or otherwise deports them, leave the Palestinian enclaves as an autonomous area, subject to ultimate Israeli authority, and forego any continued attempts at a "peace plan". Its clear that the Palestinian leadership, either Fatah or Hamas, will never accept a reasonable deal, after Yasser Arafat walked away from literally 90% of what they are asking for. Neither side is really serious about peace; Hamas wants to completely destroy Israel, Fatah are corrupt kleptomaniacs who also want to destroy Israel, but, more than that, just want to keep enriching themselves. The peace process is dead, has been for years. What's more, as the Abraham Accords have shown, the Arab states no longer give a shit about the Palestinians and are not going to consider a settlement of the Palestinian issue as a prerequisite for making peace with Israel. The future of the Middle East's geopolitics no longer revolves around Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, and future policy, by both Israel and the U.S. should reflect that.

 

[AnOminous]

There is only one practical solution now: Israel integrates most of the West Bank (Area C specifically) and extends Israeli law over the territory, offers citizenship to the 300,000 or so Palestinians who live there or otherwise deports them, leave the Palestinian enclaves as an autonomous area, subject to ultimate Israeli authority, and forego any continued attempts at a "peace plan".

The problem with this is if they're citizens, you can't treat them like they're currently treating them, i.e. build walls to keep them the fuck out. And that means the suicide bombing types who are among them will take advantage of the situation to go apeshit with new campaigns, and the whole thing falls apart immediately.

Any solution really has to be two state because there needs to be a border between the two no matter what happens.

And of course the Arab states don't care and never really have cared about the Palestinians except as a pain in the ass to Israel. If they did care, they'd offer them asylum or even citizenship, or at the very least, give them jobs in their countries and work visas. Meanwhile, Israel employs more Palestinians as workers than any of the Arab states other than Saudi Arabia, which treats them as little better than slaves (something they do to most "guest workers").

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

The problem with this is if they're citizens, you can't treat them like they're currently treating them, i.e. build walls to keep them the fuck out. And that means the suicide bombing types who are among them will take advantage of the situation to go apeshit with new campaigns, and the whole thing falls apart immediately.

That's going to be a continuing problem no matter what happens. Continuing to maintain the status quo will only mean that the violence will also continue, as the Palestinians will lack full integration into the state, and therefore will continue to treat Israel like the other rather than achieving some level of integration, like the Israeli Arabs who already live in Israel. Making them a part of the state may encourage them to devote their energies to civil engagement rather than terrorism. Also, integrating the region will allow Israel to take over schooling in the area and cease the BS Fatah calls "education" which basically encourages the next generation of anti-Israel martyrs.

Any solution really has to be two state because there needs to be a border between the two no matter what happens.

A two state solution is simply not possible at this point, no matter what anyone wants. Israel needs to ensure its own security and prevent a second Gaza while also looking after its citizens that already live in Judea and Samaria, and the Palestinians have shown that they are completely incapable of self-governance on at any level, and their leadership want everything, even the things they know they can't get. A "two state solution" would result either in an Israel with indefensible borders, or a Palestinian state that basically doesn't exist.

And of course the Arab states don't care and never really have cared about the Palestinians except as a pain in the ass to Israel. If they did care, they'd offer them asylum or even citizenship, or at the very least, give them jobs in their countries and work visas.

The Arab states should have effectively integrated the so called "Palestinian Refugees" (they aren't really, not under international law) into their nations decades ago. The fact that they haven't should be all the proof anyone needs of how little the Arabs think of them. The Palestinians are the niggers of the Middle East; they maybe the only group in the region as hated as Israel. In fact, they maybe more hated at this point. What's changed is that the Arab states are no longer putting on pretenses of caring about the Palestinian conflict. They are willing to openly ally or lock arms with Israel to face the greater threat of Iran, something that would have been unthinkable a decade or two ago.

 

[Homophobic white dog]

There were no "wrong Jews" - the scum settles everywhere it pleases. Ashkenazi Jews were for the creation of an Israeli nation-state, ie, they were Zionist.

Sure, they were "cornered dogs", but in terms of education and capability, they were beyond all those Arabs. Having been a part of European civilization for so long(as they are also partly responsible for it), they had a head-start.

I sort of like Israel now, because it's proven itself for the land it was given, but there's a degree of sympathy I feel for the Palestinians who've lost territory that was ethnically dominated by them. It's literally unfair.

There's nothing wrong in Ashkenazim or any Jewish ethnic group per se, it's the social context of some that pisses me off.
Israeli Ashkenazim from the '30s or even Eastern European Ashkenazim from the same period can't be compared to the giga-kikes in London and New York, who were and are also largely Ashkenazi.
It isn't the ethnicity, it's what you make of your own life, and arguably what others made of it. The conditions you're subject to matter a lot in shaping both individuals and entire groups of people, and Eastern Europe, Palestine and the West all gave different conditions to Jews, even of the same ethnic group.
Israelis are normal people living normal lives and back then they had a pioneer spirit, Eastern Europeans were absolutely miserable before the Holocaust... Western Jews ended up being largely upper middle class with vested interests together with their gentile friends in consolidating transnational capitalism. Matter of fact the few western Jews who came up with the verygoodtotallynotgoingtobackfire idea of settling in Palestine were attempting to escape all the kikery and be normal.

Won't argue about the rest, I don't disagree at all, Arabs definitely got the short hand of the stick and Israelis were far more progressive and progressed than their Arab neighbors. The best I can say here is that it took them decades to harvest that potential.

 

[Michael Janke]

i kind of wonder about something. is israel being merciful to the palestineans all things considered? would mexico even exist anymore if the government sent even 1 missile at them. let alone 500.
any other western country gets bombed like this and im pretty sure they wouldn't hold back.

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

i kind of wonder about something. is israel being merciful to the palestineans all things considered? would mexico even exist anymore if the government sent even 1 missile at them. let alone 500.
any other western country gets bombed like this and im pretty sure they wouldn't hold back.

They would glass the entire nation of Palestine if they could get away with it.