Animal Welfare General Discussion

[The I Scream Man]

I know we shouldn't get too mad on the internet at people like this but the thing with the hamsters is sticking with me even now. Truth be told I've never really liked hamsters, they're bitey little things and don't really like being held, but they're close enough to my favorite rodents (guinea pigs!) that I can't even handle the idea of someone deliberately abusing or mistreating them. Yeah they kinda suck sometimes but they're little creatures, they don't know any better and they don't deserve to be hurt or be in pain.

Its really easy to put animal abuse out of your mind, to shield yourself from it since you know it'll hurt, but man that pic of the hamster in the pot of water, even if it was a fib and she was just trying to be edgy on the motherfucking internet, man that shit wounded me

 

[3MMA]

Please spoiler all abuse images.

What Calculussaid. If you haven’t, read the updated OP, since merging threads.
(I’ll get to any pertinent updates as they come up, every so often.)

 

[Synthwave Obsessed]

Post #96 in the ILJ File Repository Leak thread found a bearded dragon. No animal cruelty is displayed in the image.

It's not known who owns this bearded dragon, but given how shitty Bella and Louis treat their animals, I strongly feel (and hope) that this is someone else's pet. It breaks my heart when people intentionally hurt animals, but especially lizards because most people dislike them and kinda look at them as "things" instead of living animals.

I will be talking about reptile care and I will be bringing up small details that are easy to overlook. It's a bit spergy, but bearded dragons can't really tell you they're hurt, so you are stuck with overanalyzing literally everything. They are among the easiest reptiles to keep and great for beginners, but they can still be harmed from neglect. I am young at herpetology, only having one reptile, my 9-year-old bearded dragon. My knowledge comes from doing research BEFORE getting my lizard, as well as horror posts from first-time mistakes and rescue lizards being posted. This isn't to say I'm an expert in herpetology. I'm far from it. Please correct me if I'm wrong about details. I hope you learn something.

Spoiler: spergy reptile care analysis

The bearded dragon does not display signs of neglect based on this one picture. The skin is not wrinkled, which indicates that it is hydrated. Metabolic Bone Disease (MBD) is normally very common among first-time owners or those who didn't do adequate research because pet stores do not stress the importance of UVB lighting for reptiles. The signs are most visible on the jaw, limbs, and spine. This disease is caused by a lack of UVB or calcium in a reptile's diet. UVB lighting helps in metabolism and even if a reptile receives calcium, a lack of UVB lighting will lead to the body getting calcium from anywhere it can. This starts from the bones, which weakens them and they often become soft, distorting their normal shape. MBD is much more horrible than this basic description and you're free to google "MBD in reptiles" but I don't recommend it. The damage MBD does is permanent and cannot be reversed. You can stop MBD once it starts, but you can't unbend a crooked bone. While the jaw appears to have a very slight underbite, I cannot consider it extreme enough to call it MBD. The lighting and shed around the jaw could also make the lizard appear to have an underbite.

I do not see stuck shed, which is most obvious on the fingers and tail. The grey scales on the left arm is fine- this dragon is just molting. The shed on the bottom of the left paw appears to be tinted pink, which might mean that the enclosure uses sand, but this is an assumption at best because there are other ways shed can look pink. I cannot see evidence of pink shed on the belly, but given that the left arm is molting, the belly could be freshly shed or the tank could not be using sand. Sand is often a problematic substrate because the type sold is usually calci-sand, which can lead to impaction because it dries out the insides of the intestines. It's basically the worst constipation you can imagine and it's often fatal by the time it's discovered.

The nails have been recently trimmed as well, and do not appear to be overgrown. There are only 6 claws visible, but none appear to be missing, which could mean that the enclosure isn't using reptile carpet, or at the very least is changed regularly. The fat storage on the back of the head behind the eyes does not appear to be sunken in, indicating that this reptile is not being malnourished. A different angle is better for assessing sunken fat pads, but the reptile does not appear to be overweight or underweight. I think this because the area around the armpit and belly does not appear obese or really too sunk in.

TLDR: From my assessment, the bearded dragon in question seems to be taken care of.

 

[Big Bang]

(not saying they're participating in dog fighting, either).

I am surprised they weren't hosting dogfights given these individuals' capacity for cruelty.

Spoiler: Rat screencap

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Spoiler: Max

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Note: there is some speculation in the Max thread about whether he actually was found and taken to a shelter.

Griffith is a known liar and thus anything he said while being questioned by kiwifarmers should be taken with a grain of salt. He's more truthful in his logs with Isabella and friends on Discord. Therefor, there is a much higher probability that Max is dead.

Rewatching the Lubbock piece...

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Harder to see here because of the super imposed text.

But, a second later!

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Also visible again at :36.

Hope this helps since the stickers are placed on manually by the purchaser, its highly unlikely a random person placed the same stickers in the same place as Bella.

Good work. That is definitely her hamster cage.

 

[Unabashed Hermaphrodite]

God damnit.

Don't click if you wanna keep hope.

Spoiler

Very likely the pitbull is dead. Bugs lied about being a pedo so someone dumped it's DMs.

 

[Greasy Spoon]

God damnit.

Don't click if you wanna keep hope.

Spoiler

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Very likely the pitbull is dead. Bugs lied about being a pedo so someone dumped it's DMs.

'The dogs', 'the hamsters' and 'them', all plural. Fuck's sake.

I don't think that is the same hamster, they both look like Campbell's dwarfs (or possibly winter white) but different colours. Although I have to say those dates are ominous.

Wanted to elaborate on why I don't think Tendies is the hamster in 'swim fucker swim'.

Spoiler: swim fucker swim

Spoiler: Tendies

I think they're two different colours, with 'swim fucker swim' looking more prototypical with black markings as illustrated below, where Tendies has more of an even light brown colour completely lacking dark markings.
Also 'swim fucker swim' looks to be fully grown and Tendies is more juvenile, definitely not fully grown yet.
Maybe I'm just being optimistic but having had a lot of dwarf hamsters that's just my gut feeling when comparing them.

 

[The I Scream Man]

Wanted to elaborate on why I don't think Tendies is the hamster in 'swim fucker swim'.

God I hope you're right, but that would mean that we were visually aware of some other unknown hamster who was killed

 

[Pikachu's Vacation]

Took me a while but I finally found the the original conversation where Bella Janke boasts about how she shot her family pitbull and how much she hates them, couldn't see screenshots previously posted anywhere.

Just to clarify: there are 2 diff pitbulls mentioned, the one in the photos is likely totally fine!

These ones are from discord leak 3

Spoiler

The pitbull in the photos is owned by someone named Jai, I assume this is one of luis' friends or relatives, I don't remember seeing this name pop up before so I think it's okay to assume Bella didn't get near that dog.

Bella discusses shooting her family pitbull because it ate it's own young. Unless I'm mistaken this isn't usually the behaviour of a happy, well cared for pet, so it probably had been neglected/abused prior. At least it was probably quicker than the hamsters' deaths

Bella also tells Luis to kick the dog and says it deserves death in another chat the next day.

As far as I can tell it wasn't mentioned again, but I'd need to check the logs to confirm that the dates of this conversation were around the same time that Luis was travelling.

 

[Greasy Spoon]

She's indeed watching this thread and pretty much proved by her own actions that was indeed herself who dumped the hamster by the dumpster.

As stated in my comment towards her, that was her discord name, account was made four months ago when her behavior started to get more bizarre so it cancels out the possibility some troll created that profile.

It was the video that was linked in this thread so shes been lurking for sure. The channel that video is from, uploaded the same video twice by mistake, yet instead of clicking on the first one that comes up in the search results, she clicked the one posted here. I cant believe how stupid she is. She must have been so used to exploiting easy targets that she thinks her same antics can be used against a rational adult.

Just seen this post in the summary thread that also has screenshots attached. Props to @Hairy_assburgers, cross posting for info here.

Firstly, I'm absolutely fucking floored that she was posting under an account called NP2348, that I've spent the last 7 days autistically (and unsuccessfully) trying to figure out the meaning/significance of.
Secondly, I fucking knew it.

 

[Greasy Spoon]

Excellent work, yes same style of cage, the wheel is identical. Then again they're sold at every PetSmart. Hopefully that little dude didn't suffer a similar fate to what Calvin nearly did. Speculation but it's dirt cheap at $25 so possible she was just buying a new one each time?

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Coming back to this, Tendies' cage was indeed the exact Tiny Tales one illustrated above, as can be seen in a video from the new imgur leaks (link). Unfortunately the video appears to show Bella putting Tendies in a sock and violently beating him on the floor and furniture etc. It's not known if the video is real or fake (the album it was saved in was called 'ITS FAKE', not that that counts for much).

Spoiler: Tendies video stills

There was also several photos of who I believe to be Bella and Louis manhandling Goober to take photos of his teeth (I assume for their own amusement). I can't imagine he enjoyed this.

Spoiler: Goober's teeth

Although this thread is about the welfare of the animals concerned, I think in this context it's important to highlight Bella possessed more real animal abuse (and bestiality) videos in the imgur leaks, further to what was contained in the ED repository of her discord attachments

Spoiler: Animal abuse video stills

EDIT: I spotted a cage in one of the fart videos, I believe this one is in Bella and her roommate's room. Unfortunately this is all you can see, but it's definitely not Calvin the abandoned hamster's cage. If it's another hamster it could give credibility to Bella's claim of (having and) killing numerous hamsters.