Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.

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I hate going back and forth on this, but now the Air India flight disappeared. It's already 10 minutes late for departure. Must be chaotic down there.
 
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Looking at the news, seems the taliban want to get the government to surrender peacefully.

Which is actually quite a master stroke.

They don’t risk their own fighters lives, in an assault of the city, they come across as beneficent and honorable, and prevent the possibility of engaging with western troops there to evacuate their staff(thus avoiding drawing in the US again). They look both disciplined and magnanimous, respectful, and restrained.

It makes the US look even worse, if the Taliban ride in triumphant not taking vengeance or blowing up buildings, while the US is hauling ass to get out at the same time. The US looks(and is pathetic) in defeat while the taliban are restrained and respectful in victory.

By Monday I expect a taliban led “transitional government” to be fully in control.
Yeah, the Taliban is far smarter than a group like ISIS that antagonized pretty much everyone that wasn't a hardcore Salafist. They probably learned a lot from Baghdadi and Zawahiri on how not to be seen as massive assholes to the majority of the populace you intend to rule over.

Holy shit. I can't believe how fast this happened.
 
Yeah, the Taliban is far smarter than a group like ISIS that antagonized pretty much everyone that wasn't a hardcore Salafist. They probably learned a lot from Baghdadi and Zawahiri on how not to be seen as massive assholes to the majority of the populace you intend to rule over.

Holy shit. I can't believe how fast this happened.
Question is do they intend to remain being magnanimous and forgiving or as soon as the western militaries have all departed, start purging the people they promised amnesty too a few weeks before?

I can’t imagine they just want to let their enemies walk free, but at the same time they wouldn’t want to damage this image by conducting mass executions and revenge killings a month later.
 
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Yeah, the Taliban is far smarter than a group like ISIS that antagonized pretty much everyone that wasn't a hardcore Salafist. They probably learned a lot from Baghdadi and Zawahiri on how not to be seen as massive assholes to the majority of the populace you intend to rule over.
I don't believe the two are really comparable.

The Taliban are an organic religious movement run by fairly intelligent people if brutal in the enforcement of their beliefs.

ISIS was created to be an almost cartoonish villain by Western and Gulf dictatorship intelligence agencies to generate horror(high production values and pointless/over the top executions and killings) in the general public of such magnitude that it would give free rein to military attacks against any country they conveniently showed up in.
 
Highly doubt there will be any type of hostage situation, at the risk of any reprisals... But there's no way in fucking hell they're gonna allow all those US troops in to help with the evacuation. I'm guessing they'll use it as a bargaining chip... Back the fuck off and we'll let you out peacefully, ya pussies.

This is a massive cluster fuck for the US and Biden needs to hang his head in shame... Though I doubt he'll cop much criticism from the media...
 
Highly doubt there will be any type of hostage situation, at the risk of any reprisals... But there's no way in fucking hell they're gonna allow all those US troops in to help with the evacuation. I'm guessing they'll use it as a bargaining chip... Back the fuck off and we'll let you out peacefully, ya pussies.

This is a massive cluster fuck for the US and Biden needs to hang his head in shame... Though I doubt he'll cop much criticism from the media...
I'm waiting for the Taliban to declare they will be providing security for the airport. That will be pretty much the end of it as far as I'm concerned.
 
This was one big cash cow. All the Afgan government ministers who made their money have fucked off, just like the yanks and it's the ordinary man's job to fend the taliban off.

The problem is with the Islamic family unit. It is inherently undemocratic and abusive in nature, where women and girls are men's property. If you don't want a democratic family life, why fight to defend a democratic government.

Unfortunatly for women, Afgan men can get their ideal family with the Taliban in power, so why bother dying for a western government stucture you that didn't give you many advantages before?
 
Oh fuck. It's over.
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Afghanistan will have a "peaceful transfer of power" to a "transitional government" led by the Taliban, acting Afghan Interior Minister Abdul Sattar Mirzakwal said Sunday.

In a video message, broadcast on local news outlet Tolo TV, Mirzakwal said: "The Afghan people should not worry... There will be no attack on the city and there will be a peaceful transfer of power."




Around the same time on Sunday, CNN reported that the Taliban issued a statement saying it was in talks with "the other side" for a peaceful surrender of the capital and confirmed that the group would refrain from violence.

"No one's head, property or honor will be harmed and the lives of Kabulis will not be in danger. The Islamic Emirate instructs all its forces to stand at the gates of Kabul and not try to enter the city," a spokesperson told ABC News.


The Taliban's international media spokesperson, Suhail Shaheen, confirmed to Al Jazeera that the group will remain on standby on the outskirts of the city while transition talks take place.

Shaheen did not specify what sort of agreement the Taliban wants, but the Associated Press reported that the group is seeking an unconditional surrender by the central government.

Ashraf Ghani, the country's current president, is expected to relinquish power within the next few hours, according to Al Arabiya.

A source close to the Ghani has denied reports that he has fled the country, Al Jazeera said.
I probably shouldn't be surprised, but it feels insane that we witnessed the collapse of a democracy we spent 20 years arming, and in only 3 months. Not one major counter offensive launched.
 
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I used to think the Afghan War/Iraq War could be worth it. I still think we could have salvaged something if we had the guts and we didn't do the occupation in the absolute dumbest way imaginable (trying to turn it into some Middle Eastern Seattle). But we don't have the guts and we did do it the dumb way so I guess thats the same as believing it is completely unsalvageable and a waste of time.

They're a different people and culture satisfied with their lives of child brides and tossing gays off rooftops. And suddenly here we come galloping out of nowhere uninvited into their home pouring hundreds of billions upon them trying to transform desert suicide bombers into uptalking Starbucks sipping gender nonconformist millennials. And in case you think I'm joking thats literally what happened. Theres particularly dumb episodes such as when they bribed Afghans with our tax money to run around waving feminist banners. But also the broader just as ridiculous efforts to suddenly forcing Western style voting, conventions, and gender neutrality on a distant foreign culture.

So maybe intervention is wrong. Or maybe if you still insist on intervention you should do it intelligently like the Chinese or modern Romans. Do it the smart way with strategy and perhaps get something for your troubles in the meantime. Don't charge in as some idealistic moron with the vague goal of bringing 'freedom' or perhaps 'gender equality' today.

So congrats early 2000s libs I guess you were right and Republicans/Shrub II were wrong in this instance and the 'bullets and social justice' strategy was a flop. I wonder how many of you will remain doves once the videos of the transgender villagers being burned at the stake start surfacing on Liveleak.

I mean the King had some actual Afgan support, USA could have strong constitutional monarchy with semblance of democracy and human rights, no utopia but working state even if troubled, but that would require them acknowladgening that you can force Western Democracy shit on people by force.
 
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