US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?

 

[tehpope]

I hope this fuck up is the worst that Biden/Kamala have to offer. Because if Taiwan kicks off, regardless of winners, losers or any outcome in between, shit will hit the fan big time.

No electronic equipment coming from TSCM or FOXXCON? It won't just be your gamers affected, but the big companies as well.

Amazon not being able to ship shit from China? Bye-bye Amazon.
Tesla not being able to get batteries from China? Bye-bye Tesla
Apple not being able to build or sell any new gadgets, from phones to macbooks to ipads? Bye-Bye Apple.
General Motors can't sell cars because of the new smart equipment? Bye-Bye car industry (double-whammy with petrol prices)

The knock-on effect it will have to companies looking to upgrade their IT infrastructure, PLC units on pipelines and manufacturing plants, will be very big.

A conflict or dispute with China over Taiwan means the majority of the western economy stops. Buy seeds, Buy a big freezer, grow your own food.

The car industry already has thousands of cars sitting around because they're missing microchips. And Intel has already pledged to build a fab or two in the US. ATM, its China's game to lose.

 

[Compositesludge]

They assume that it was a bad agreement because Trump made it. Since Orange Man Bad, everything done by Orange Man must be undone and fuck the consequences.

The argument I've been hearing is that it was done entirely between the Trump admin and the Taliban, with the former government of Afghanistan getting completely shut out. On the one hand, yes, that does sound exceptionally bad. On the other hand, the former government of Afghanistan was clearly not ever going to be stable. It might have been the last nail in the coffin, but it was already in its grave.

 

[Eggplant Wizard]

Nerd culture needs to fucking burn.

Nah, it just need to be purged of heretics. William Shatner is a pretty cool guy, I hope he isn’t on the TDS train, I haven’t seen anything personally, so the hope is still there.

 

[Hollywood Hitler]

This morning’s NPC hashtag, brought to you by the DNC, is #IStandWithBiden

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Are they seriously trying to push this narrative that we're pissed that we pulled out of Afghanistan? These fucking people.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

Found this from r/politics about Biden's decision on Afghanistan

 

[Sithis]

The argument I've been hearing is that it was done entirely between the Trump admin and the Taliban, with the former government of Afghanistan getting completely shut out. On the one hand, yes, that does sound exceptionally bad. On the other hand, the former government of Afghanistan was clearly not ever going to be stable. It might have been the last nail in the coffin, but it was already in its grave.

That's where they fail to connect dots. They've been so dumbed down by the media and everyone telling them "don't think for yourselves, trust only the experts, trust the wise masters" and they are unprepared to use enough thinking to say "those things may be connected".

Even the glowie community is coming out and saying they knew and had advised everyone this would happen. It was the obvious outcome. Trump wasnt being polite and kind about it, he was never kind about the afghan government as it was and he rightfully made a deal with the people that everyone knew would be in power when American forces reduced.

I had some tard on twitter last night try to tell me that I'm delusional and that Trump didn't even pull any troops from Afghanistan. Then he acted completely surprised when I shared the stories from Trump reducing troops by roughly 33% by November, and the corresponding fucking meltdowns from senate democrats and the press about what a mistake it was. Some of the same people who are now arguing "well Bidens a hero for pulling out of Afghanistan in the end" were furious at the prospect of Trump drawing troops out last year.

 

[We All Came For CWC]

What's with all these NPCs regurgitating that MSNBC thot Nicolle Wallace's "95 PERCENT OF AMERICANS WILL AGREE WITH EVERYTHING BIDEN JUST SAID" as some sort of scientific gospel, instead of what it actually is (a random statistic pulled straight out of her lower intestine)?

 

[Sithis]

What's with all these NPCs regurgitating that MSNBC thot Nicolle Wallace's "95 percent of Americans will agree with everything Biden just said" as some kind of scientific gospel, instead of as a number pulled straight out of her lower intestine?

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Those are the literal bot accounts. They feed the AI algorithms to make it post shit that a "normie" consoomerist democrat voter would post, mostly focused on politics but with some other shit peppered in. But because the bots share the same code they tend to flock to the same trending phrases word for word.

 

[Corn Flakes]

The argument I've been hearing is that it was done entirely between the Trump admin and the Taliban, with the former government of Afghanistan getting completely shut out. On the one hand, yes, that does sound exceptionally bad. On the other hand, the former government of Afghanistan was clearly not ever going to be stable. It might have been the last nail in the coffin, but it was already in its grave.

As @Sithis put it, Trump knew exactly what was going to happen in Afghanistan the moment we left. This was simple realpolitik, and say what you will about Orange Man but his foreign policy was often pragmatic to a level we haven't seen in decades. Afghanistan's government, the one we put there, was corrupt to the core. Their army was set to fall apart if a stiff breeze blew past. The entire country was a house of cards being held together by warlords. We could have stayed there for 5 months or 50 years and it would have made no difference.

You know what's really funny, though? In his speech, Biden has indirectly confirmed that Trump's decision was the correct one. Biden pointed a bunch of fingers at the Afghan government for being uncooperative, corrupt and weak. And yet we, under his administration, kept dealing with assholes whose only interest was staying in power and racking in more American assistance money. As Trump would say, that's was a bad deal. And it blew up on Biden's face.

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

The argument I've been hearing is that it was done entirely between the Trump admin and the Taliban, with the former government of Afghanistan getting completely shut out. On the one hand, yes, that does sound exceptionally bad. On the other hand, the former government of Afghanistan was clearly not ever going to be stable. It might have been the last nail in the coffin, but it was already in its grave.

After sleeping on the news, yes, I do agree with some of Joe's points. It was clear the Afghan people were not going to fight for themselves and it was the correct move to leave. However, we should have destroyed all of our military equipment there or salvaged what we could. They had six months, 3 to meet the may 1st deadline, then 3 more from then to know. Was our intel, incorrect like 9/11 or was the government bewitched by the illusion that Afghani's would actually fight?

 

[thismanlies]

What's with all these NPCs regurgitating that MSNBC thot Nicolle Wallace's "95 PERCENT OF AMERICANS WILL AGREE WITH EVERYTHING BIDEN JUST SAID" as some sort of scientific gospel, instead of what it actually is (a random statistic pulled straight out of her lower intestine)?

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>#IStandWithBiden as he finishes fixing the mess that #TalibanTrump made

I know this is a bot but Jesus Christ give it up already. Even your most hardcore liberal can’t defend him hiding under his bed with the lights turned off.

 

[Compositesludge]

You know what's really funny, though? In his speech, Biden has indirectly confirmed that Trump's decision was the correct one. Biden pointed a bunch of fingers at the Afghan government for being uncooperative, corrupt and weak. And yet we, under his administration, kept dealing with assholes whose only interest was staying in power and racking in more American assistance money. As Trump would say, that's was a bad deal. And it blew up on Biden's face.

I guess the thing about uncertainty is that it can be comforting. Perhaps the cat is dead, yes, but perhaps it will yet be alive when we open the box. Perhaps the government we propped up can survive without us being right there. Perhaps it will be okay when we leave. But the thing is, everything collapses from states of quantum uncertainty or political theory the second that box is opened. This is the moment that it all crystalizes, that as shitty and unthinkable as any government dealing with the Taliban and preparing for them to rise to power in Afghanistan, that by the time 2019 rolled around, the Trump administration could see it was the only realistic path forward to have a possibly stable Afghanistan in the future. It's not entirely rage against Trump, or against Biden, or against anyone. It's against the past 20 years, against the $2.2 trillion spent, the tens of thousands of American soldiers dead, the hundreds of thousands of Afghan citizens killed and American soldiers returning maimed, traumatized, or both.

There's so much for everybody to take in. And for now, I guess I can't be too critical against anybody looking for a simple answer. We no longer have uncertainty to fall back upon. There are hypothetical solutions for nation building (or against it entirely) that could have, should have, been pursued decades ago. Those may have been a reality once. And we have Afghanistan now, and like or not, that is our reality.

 

[CharlesBarkley]

What's with all these NPCs

"Joe Biden ended the war and did so, it's all good! Logistics or whatever aside! It's um, those PoWs that um, caused this, yeah "

"Trump wanted it done quicker and cleaner. Everything past the original date is Biden."

"...rrrrrrrrreeeeeeeEEEEEEE-"

 

[Youthful_Shannel]

I've been watching the Afghani fallout over different stations and you can really see how CNN, NBC and ABC are just in the journalism game for the propaganda. Comparing their coverage to European outlets and even Fox is laughable.

hey guys, does CNN stand for Cope News Network? heh.

 

[Corn Flakes]

I guess the thing about uncertainty is that it can be comforting. Perhaps the cat is dead, yes, but perhaps it will yet be alive when we open the box. Perhaps the government we propped up can survive without us being right there. Perhaps it will be okay when we leave. But the thing is, everything collapses from states of quantum uncertainty or political theory the second that box is opened. This is the moment that it all crystalizes, that as shitty and unthinkable as any government dealing with the Taliban and preparing for them to rise to power in Afghanistan, that by the time 2019 rolled around, the Trump administration could see it was the only realistic path forward to have a possibly stable Afghanistan in the future. It's not entirely rage against Trump, or against Biden, or against anyone. It's against the past 20 years, against the $2.2 trillion spent, the tens of thousands of American soldiers dead, the hundreds of thousands of Afghan citizens killed and American soldiers returning maimed, traumatized, or both.

There's so much for everybody to take in. And for now, I guess I can't be too critical against anybody looking for a simple answer. We no longer have uncertainty to fall back upon. There are hypothetical solutions for nation building (or against it entirely) that could have, should have, been pursued decades ago. Those may have been a reality once. And we have Afghanistan now, and like or not, that is our reality.

If you want to blame Trump for something, it's for setting a date for leaving after the end of his term, without any guarantee he'd be re-elected. He essentially left a time bomb for Biden to defuse, because he knew Biden couldn't allow that plan to be carried out due to Orange Man Bad.

So the only feasible option for Biden to get us to leave without losing face was to try to get out in an orderly fashion before Trump's May deadline, taking all our toys and our Afghan translators/cronies with us. That way his administration could claim to have been even more efficient than Drumph's. Whether or not packing up and leaving in 3 months was feasible doesn't matter: Biden's administration didn't really want to leave, and so they just had to go for the hubristic "optics" angle instead.

As the meme goes, Biden is getting what he deserves.

 

[Michael Wade]

You cant make this shit up.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

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You cant make this shit up.

The United Nations in a Nutshell.

 

[Marissa Moira]

What part of "We had a prior agreement, but Biden broke it" are they not understanding?

Nothing in that phrase sounds like Trump.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

I think it’s going to get worse for Biden beyond Afghanistan. Depending on that Delta variant and economic anxiety, I could see Biden’s term becoming the most despised and most hated term since Bush’s second term. And I remember how much hate Bush got from 2005-2009.

I knew Biden was going to fail at being a Obama copy, but I never expect him to make Obama more component.

 

[Meat Target]

Joe has officially appalled the Eurocucks.


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BERLIN — Until Sunday, Europe thought Joe Biden was an expert on foreign policy.

Now, the American president’s decision to allow Afghanistan to collapse into the arms of the Taliban has European officials worried he has unwittingly accelerated what his predecessor Donald Trump started: the degradation of the Western alliance and everything it is supposed to stand for in the world.

Across Europe, officials have reacted with a mix of disbelief and a sense of betrayal. Even those who cheered Biden’s election and believed he could ease the recent tensions in the transatlantic relationship said they regarded the withdrawal from Afghanistan as nothing short of a mistake of historic magnitude.

“I say this with a heavy heart and with horror over what is happening, but the early withdrawal was a serious and far-reaching miscalculation by the current administration,” said Norbert Röttgen, chairman of the German parliament’s foreign relations committee. “This does fundamental damage to the political and moral credibility of the West.”

Röttgen, a senior member of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democrats, is no flamethrower. He has known Biden for decades and was optimistic about his prospects.

While Merkel has avoided direct criticism of Biden, behind the scenes she has made it clear that she considered the hasty withdrawal a mistake.

“For those who believed in democracy and freedom, especially for women, these are bitter events,” she told a meeting with officials from her party late Monday, according to German media reports.

In the U.K., which like Germany supported the U.S. engagement in Afghanistan from the beginning, the sentiment was similar. “Afghanistan is the biggest foreign policy disaster since Suez. We need to think again about how we handle friends, who matters and how we defend our interests,” tweeted Tom Tugendhat, the Conservative chair of the U.K. parliament’s foreign affairs committee.

At a time when some European leaders, including French President Emmanuel Macron, have been pushing for the bloc to pursue a security policy less dependent on America, Afghanistan is bound to be used as evidence for why “strategic autonomy” is necessary.

“Naturally this has damaged American credibility, along with that of the intelligence services and of the military,” said Rüdiger Lentz, the former head of the Aspen Institute in Berlin.

“One can only hope that the damage to America’s foreign policy leadership can be quickly contained.”

While dismay over the course of events in Afghanistan was widespread across Europe, it is particularly pronounced in Germany. For Germans, the Afghan campaign wasn’t just about coming to an ally’s aid or “nation-building,” it was about proving, both to the world and itself, that Germany had changed.

The Afghanistan mission was the first major deployment of German troops since World War II. When then-Chancellor Gerhard Schröder asked the German parliament to approve the mission in the fall of 2001 following the September 11 terror attacks, he faced resistance from his own Social Democrats and decided to put his political survival on the line by linking the decision to a confidence vote. (Schröder would later complain to associates that U.S. President George W. Bush never appreciated the risk he had taken, which might help explain why the chancellor refused to join the U.S. war in Iraq a year later.)

Once the troops were in Afghanistan, then-Defense Minister Peter Struck urged Germans to stand behind the mission for the long-term with what has become one of the most memorable passages in a parliamentary speech in recent decades: “The security of the Federal Republic of Germany is also being defended in the Hindu Kush,” he said.

Over the years, Germany felt the effects of the Afghanistan mission in more ways than one. Though its troops were stationed in the relatively peaceful northern part of the country, nearly 60 German soldiers lost their lives there. The German army’s medal of valor, a rarely bestowed honor, has only ever been given to soldiers active in Afghanistan.

Germany also invested untold billions in Afghanistan during that period and took in thousands of refugees.

Though successive German governments remained committed to the Afghanistan operation, it was always controversial.

That tension filtered into the cultural sphere, including the 2014 film “Inbetween Worlds,” the story of a German soldier and his Afghan interpreter.

“Sometimes I ask myself,” the soldier tells the young interpreter after surviving an attack, “do we ever make a difference or is it just a fucking waste?”

Germany now has the answer.