Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.

Looks like Vice is scared of the right wing taking inspiration from the Taliban lol.


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DumbDude42 said:
actual war means military conflict between two states, carried out by their respective armed forces. the islamic emirate of afghanistan had ceased to exist at that point, so the war was over. what followed was a prolonged occupation with occasional partisan attacks against the occupying forces.

it's somewhat comparable to the nazi invasion of france - the actual war was won within less than two months, after that came a prolonged occupation. the nazis too faced partisan attacks from the occupied french, but they had a reputation for carrying out extremely harsh reprisals after such events, so it remained a somewhat rare occurence. american occupiers in afghanistan however didn't do any of that reprisal stuff, which means all the locals were free to ambush and attack them as much as they wanted, cause they knew that as long as they don't get caught in the act, nothing bad will come of it.
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"It. . . it doesn't count! They're not doing war the way we're set up to win! It's not our fault!"

Coooooooope.
 
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los pepes said:
How the fuck can you say "the actual war was won in weeks" when 99% of the combat casualties came after that point? I guess 20 years of shooting, bombing, and burning each other doesn't count as war? Yes I'm sure if our enemies decide to line up and fight exactly as we want them to, we can kill a bunch of them. But the second they decide to not do that, and we have to fight on their terms, we lose. 20 years of combat operations failed to degrade the ability of the Taliban to make war. In fact they ended up stronger after 20 years of facing "American military capabilities" than they were before hostilities began. That is a military failure.
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Strong armies are useless when run by hedonistic creatures that only value money not glory
 
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And tough as iron but a heart soft as leather

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Hüftpriester said:
Exactly. These are the people
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that are responsible for this
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They aren't in control of anything and are absolute cowards. No one should fear or respect them at all. The nose has been exposed.
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The left respects them. The level of fear is plummeting though. But the hatred looks to be off the chart. When was the last time the two sides of the American spectrum have been this far apart? When was the last time D s and R s hated each other this much? If 9/11 happened tomorrow, would there be celebrations based on the victims and places affected?
 
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Sped Xing said:
"It. . . it doesn't count! They're not doing war the way we're set up to win! It's not our fault!"

Coooooooope.
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it's simple truth. taliban (or iraqi insurgents) strategy boils down to "let the other guy win and wait in hiding until he gets bored and leaves" lol
it works because they know that american political leadership is too cucked by optics to let the military actually purge the countryside
 
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MrJokerRager said:
Looks like Vice is scared of the right wing taking inspiration from the Taliban lol.


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They will be successful in using anti-terror legislation meant to stop Muslim terrorism against the domestic right-wing.
Our conservative party did the same thing.
We had a terror attack by a muslim refugee, and the following laws were half-half aimed at muslim extremism, and the other one against right wing groups, including their symbols, even though they didn't do anything.
 
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DumbDude42 said:
it's simple truth. taliban (or iraqi insurgents) strategy boils down to "let the other guy win and wait in hiding until he gets bored and leaves" lol
it works because they know that american political leadership is too cucked by optics to let the military actually purge the countryside
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The Taliban won because they are men of good character. Not murderous babykilling filth like the Ammurrican military.
 
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DumbDude42 said:
it's simple truth. taliban (or iraqi insurgents) strategy boils down to "let the other guy win and wait in hiding until he gets bored and leaves" lol
it works because they know that american political leadership is too cucked by optics to let the military actually purge the countryside
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The military didn't fail! They just succeeded backwards!
 
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Random Internet Person said:
The left respects them. The level of fear is plummeting though. But the hatred looks to be off the chart. When was the last time the two sides of the American spectrum have been this far apart? When was the last time D s and R s hated each other this much? If 9/11 happened tomorrow, would there be celebrations based on the victims and places affected?
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Oh don't get me wrong, I think a civil war is coming probably within the next 20 years. Just look at how the system is already labelling normie adjacent conservatives as potential terrorists if they have the wrong opinion on the covid vax or 2020 election. Now we have guys on our side openly taking inspiration from the Taliban, I can only imagine how the DHS will interpret that, lol.
 
Hüftpriester said:
Oh don't get me wrong, I think a civil war is coming probably within the next 20 years. Just look at how the system is already labelling normie adjacent conservatives as potential terrorists if they have the wrong opinion on the covid vax or 2020 election. Now we have guys on our side openly taking inspiration from the Taliban, I can only imagine how the DHS will interpret that, lol.
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I think it's a matter of time when people realize they've lost the right to vote. "No Taxation Without Representation" is still a thing.
 
Sped Xing said:
"It. . . it doesn't count! They're not doing war the way we're set up to win! It's not our fault!"

Coooooooope.
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It depends on how you define "war". The two of you might have to agree to disagree on this one, I think.

However, I'd offer a third take: we actually DID win the war, if by "we", we mean the people who got us into the war, and by "win", we mean accomplish those people's geo-strategic aims. We won the conventional war (obviously) and we also won the occupation war.

The Invasion of Afghanistan was never about regime change and establishing liberal democracy in the Middle East. It wasn't about going after Bin Laden, either, whom many in the intelligence community believed was either dead or elsewhere.

The Invasion of Afghanistan had four primary aims:
  1. the lend legitimacy to the War on Terror and what, at the time, was referred to as "the neoconservative agenda" - the establishment and growth of the national-security state (which was originally going to be used against Muslims, but as people at the time warned, has now grown to be used against Muslims, Christians, anarchists, white people. black people, shitposters, transphobes, and normies who only want to grill)
  2. to position American soldiers in what Halford Mackinder termed "the Heartland"; that geographic region between the three great power blocs of Europe, Russia, and China.
  3. to provide for the Military-Industrial complex an absolute windfall of profits, in the form of both weapons sales AND construction contracts. (get paid to blow up the country, get paid to rebuild.
  4. to secure and exploit Afghanistan's valuable natural resources, e.g. lithium, rare-earth elements, and heroin.
The Afghan War succeeded beyond anyone's expectations at (1) and (3). (2) was a success for twenty years, and we've still got so many bases overseas that a drawdown in Afghanistan is hardly noteworthy (except to journos and the public, who have been encouraged to learn about Afghanistan, and not, say, American involvement in the now sixty year long Moro war). (4) was largely successful, too - and while the glory days of Afghan poppy profits may be behind us, it'd be silly to call twenty years of successful plundering "a loss".
 
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