YouTube Historians/HistoryTube/PopHistory

[Comfy Gondola]

I'm really autistic about voices and in my opinion Invicta has the most soy voice I've ever heard — it's so fucking stereotypical it's comical. Whenever I click on one of his videos I pray to God that he isn't narrating it himself, especially when it's a topic I'm genuinely interested in.

Kings & Generals' narration is like an auditory sedative. I have to constantly rewind portions in nearly every video, because I keep spacing out. This is probably just a personal problem though.

I'm surprised that no one ITT brought up History Time. His videos are great and fantastic background noise. However, he got a tendency to ramble on and on about shit to create context. His video on Britian post-Roman collapse was the worst offender of this, it took him a solid hour of rambling iirc. On top of being a 4+ hour video.

Shadiversity seems like a great guy in the vein of Lindybeige, however I personally find his rambling not as charming as Lindy's, which is why it takes a really interesting topic for me to actually watch one of his videos.

Oversimplified is okay. Just okay. Great background noise though.

My favorites of the bunch are Voices of the Past and Fall of Civilisations.

Anyway, I firmly hold the belief that no one should treat any Youtube history channel as a good source of information, ever. Like many have already said, they tend to be biased and include a lot of mistakes / misinformation, and I don't often see them link their sources either. It's the video equivalent of doing your research by reading Wikipedia articles but worse.

Edit: Typo

 

[Slap47]

The only reason why boomer history has to label national socialism as schizophrenic is because it can't marry the idea of complete state control while still keeping the heads of industry alive and not going full purge mode like the communists.
Private businesses though were still forced to join the party and follow the directions of the party.
A lot of socialists will use the privatization of the railroads and federal bank as proof that the national socialists were not socialists, but they ignore that just a few years later the nazis nationalized them again under a new bureaucracy. For the nazis the privatization had nothing to do with the free market, but was instead aimed at tearing down the weimar system and rebuilding a new one. All governments who seek to turn a democracy into a dictatorship must first target the bureaucracy. By rebuilding state firms they were able to put their own people in charge and purged the disloyal.
Going to war against the soviets does not make them less socialist either, the favorite pass time of socialists is fighting other socialists.
Seeing as China supposedly moved across the spectrum from socialism to "corporatism", it's been difficult for most socialists to see where the border on that spectrum lies, and you still have socialists to this day calling China socialist. So exactly what differentiates socialism from corporatism other than keeping private enterprises alive? How can Venezuela have socialism when it has private businesses but nazi germany can not? Exactly how many welfare policies, worker unions, state controlled enterprises, and wealth redistribution do you need to become socialist?

It's unironically a question of intention. Marxist leninists are socialist because their end goal is supposedly to create a system where the workers own the means production. Despite the whinging of communists, that was Lenin's and Stalin's goal at the end of the day. They planned to use Central planning and State control to transition to communism.

The end goal of Hitler's Nazism was not the workers owning the means of production. The "People's Community" envisioned by Hitler was not a socialist one. That was the goal of the brown shirts and Strasserites, but those guys were purged and their Second Revolution did not happen.

Of course you have the difficult question of reading people's intentions, but denying that somebody like Stalin was not a communist is just silly. Also, referring to any Central planning or government intervention as socialist is just goofy. The end goal of the New Deal was to preserve capitalism.

I thought Cypher was against the 1619 project and other programs that are inspired by it, then how could he support critical race theory?


We fought there for 20 years if there government can't defend itself then so be it.

They did a video pointing out the errors but I think most of their butt hurt comes from journalists stepping on their turf. They still agree with the project and it's a goals, they just dislike the errors that make their own argument look bad.

 

[Übertroon]

It's unironically a question of intention. Marxist leninists are socialist because their end goal is supposedly to create a system where the workers own the means production. Despite the whinging of communists, that was Lenin's and Stalin's goal at the end of the day. They planned to use Central planning and State control to transition to communism.

The end goal of Hitler's Nazism was not the workers owning the means of production. The "People's Community" envisioned by Hitler was not a socialist one. That was the goal of the brown shirts and Strasserites, but those guys were purged and their Second Revolution did not happen.

Of course you have the difficult question of reading people's intentions, but denying that somebody like Stalin was not a communist is just silly. Also, referring to any Central planning or government intervention as socialist is just goofy. The end goal of the New Deal was to preserve capitalism.

Thing is though the nazis also saw their system as handing power to the people. They just had a different interpretation what that meant. Both systems see the state as representing the people, that's how communists can claim they have handed the means of production to the people even though its all run by the state. Nazis saw it the same way, by using state power to direct private enterprises they were handing power back to the people, the state represents the German Volk, therefore power is in the hand of the people. Hitler's goal was a german people united under a single banner, working for the same goal with the same spirit. I can't say for certain what Lenin had as a goal once all classes were abolished, but it likely wasn't too far off the nazi goal of a people working not for private interests, but instead for the betterment of the people as a whole.

 

[Techpriest]

Thing is though the nazis also saw their system as handing power to the people. They just had a different interpretation what that meant. Both systems see the state as representing the people, that's how communists can claim they have handed the means of production to the people even though its all run by the state. Nazis saw it the same way, by using state power to direct private enterprises they were handing power back to the people, the state represents the German Volk, therefore power is in the hand of the people. Hitler's goal was a german people united under a single banner, working for the same goal with the same spirit. I can't say for certain what Lenin had as a goal once all classes were abolished, but it likely wasn't too far off the nazi goal of a people working not for private interests, but instead for the betterment of the people as a whole.

You’re retarded. No, the state representing the people meaning “power to the workers” wasn’t the intention or even the logic behind any of this. The point of the Nazi state was to hand power to the all knowing and wise leader who will then exterminate all opposition and all non-aryans. It wasn’t to restructure society entirely into a classless structure where everyone is equal and thus create a utopia. The utopia was the extermination of all subhumans.

 

[Tyrone_n]

Looks like Potential History has a new video

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

They did a video pointing out the errors but I think most of their butt hurt comes from journalists stepping on their turf. They still agree with the project and it's a goals, they just dislike the errors that make their own argument look bad.

That man is such of a high up his own ass authoritarian schizo it's hard to get into his mindset.

Back to the topic of Afghanistan, It's amazing how quickly that place is falling apart. At least the Afghan communist party manage to hold off the mujaheddin for three years without direct soviet support in the end. The US backed government can't even hold for out for much longer. Hopefully the United States can recreat more of the fall of the Soviet Union beyond a defeat in Afghanistan. I'm surprise no one major has been making comparisons between Joe Biden and Konstantin Chernenko. They are both barely functioning geriatric old men that were put in charge due to there long political careers in there political parties. They both came to power in a time when both states desperately needed good strong new young leadership and instead has these barley cognitively functioning meat puppets. There party aligned presses covered the asses of both of them. There enemies were social political outcasts. Time will tell more when the day Joe Biden drops dead.

 

[Übertroon]

You’re retarded. No, the state representing the people meaning “power to the workers” wasn’t the intention or even the logic behind any of this. The point of the Nazi state was to hand power to the all knowing and wise leader who will then exterminate all opposition and all non-aryans. It wasn’t to restructure society entirely into a classless structure where everyone is equal and thus create a utopia. The utopia was the extermination of all subhumans.

You think eliminating the non aryans were just for killing's sake? You do realize there's a goal to it right? Just like the millions the communists killed. The nazis sought to kill the jews and the dissidents because they were seen as enemies of the german people. Just as the communists saw the capitalists and the kulaks as enemies of the people. Same goal, just different groups. In fact Stalin went after the jews as well several times, for the exact same reasons given that the nazis went after them.
Also forget the "power to the workers" rhetoric, that's just wank that got stuck in the mind of wannabe socialists. The socialists saw society as divided between the proletarians and the bourgeoisie, who were the bourgeoisie? Just whoever went against the interests of the proletariat.. The nazis saw it divided between those who wanted the best for the german people, and those who worked against it. It's all about ridding society of those you deem being a threat against the well being of the state and the people it represents. Now not all 20th century ideologies saw the same people as a threat, but the methods became very much the same.

 

[biscuitscilia]

The afghan government being a puppet regime isn't too much of a lefty opinion. Plenty on the right have gone full on non-interventionist, and plenty of lefties are interventionist. Max Boot (neoconservative) became a #VoteBlueNoMatterWho Democrat as a response to Trump, and a professor of mine who is liberal believes in the Afghanistan mission for LGBT/Women reasons. I've also encountered many on the right who adore the idea of a bunch of armed peasants toppling a state backed by the toughest countries in the world.

Right, that was what I was referring to. There's different ways people view the collapse of the Afghanistan government based on their political alignment. For example, the extreme far-right see it as "Zogbot Amerimutts getting annihilated by Aryan Afghanis" just as an example. I think Cody's views fall on the American Imperialism side of the argument, but I could be wrong.

This is such a shitty take and deserve to be mocked. It's the same as those CivNats who say shit like, "Yeah the country might become Mexico 2.0 but all those Hispanics are BASED and REDPILLED Republicans when they come over!"

Speaking of which, here's some screencaps. I'm surprised with how heated he's gotten over it.

 

[Corpun]

Not exactly history but CGP released a video on the name Tiffany and it's history. Anyone know if there are any channels out there that go over the history of a name, because as a topic it sounds pretty interesting.

I thought Cypher was against the 1619 project and other programs that are inspired by it, then how could he support critical race theory?

Cynical has some autism where he acknowledges 1619 is journalist bullshit yet somehow thinks CRT is great.

I'm really autistic about voices and in my opinion Invicta has the most soy voice I've ever heard — it's so fucking stereotypical it's comical. Whenever I click on one of his videos I pray to God that he isn't narrating it himself, especially when it's a topic I'm genuinely interested in.

My brain shuts off whenever I hear his voice, it's not even good as background noise.

Kings & Generals' narration is like an auditory sedative. I have to constantly rewind portions in nearly every video, because I keep spacing out. This is probably just a personal problem though.

K&G has had a drop in quality in some areas, I personally don't find them bad but the narration is very dull and some of the topics become real snoozefests, making it hard even as background noise.

I'm surprised that no one ITT brought up History Time. His videos are great and fantastic background noise. However, he got a tendency to ramble on and on about shit to create context. His video on Britian post-Roman collapse was the worst offender of this, it took him a solid hour of rambling iirc. On top of being a 4+ hour video.

History Time is ran by Voices of the Past I'm pretty sure, or at least the two brothers operate the channels in conjunction with each other.

Looks like Potential History has a new video

Taking a guess here but I'm guessing there are at least a dozen reddit jokes and audio fuckups within the first 5 minutes.

Speaking of which, here's some screencaps. I'm surprised with how heated he's gotten over it.

Not even TradCaths are this retarded. I'm really hoping he's making a joke and acting like a retard because only a moron would think America would become some based Catholic state instead of another Brazil.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Not even TradCaths are this retarded. I'm really hoping he's making a joke and acting like a retard because only a moron would think America would become some based Catholic state instead of another Brazil.

Cody pulls a I was only pretending to be retarded. What makes him think a latino majority poulation would bring a catholic revolution in america? A large part Latin america's population are pro secular leftists and even on the right I've heard there's a growing Evangelical presence there.

 

[Comfy Gondola]

History Time is ran by Voices of the Past I'm pretty sure, or at least the two brothers operate the channels in conjunction with each other.

No it's the other way around. Pete Kelly (HT) has multiple sideprojects of which VotP is one. He isn't as heavily involved with it as with the other ones, though. I think he just does editing and gives it a regular shout out on his main channel. Probably just trying to get his brother a slice of that sweet YouTube pie.

My brain shuts off whenever I hear his voice, it's not even good as background noise.

He's aware of it from what I could gather, it's the reason why he hires a professional narrator sometimes.
Why he still does it himself at all eludes me, but maybe he doesn't want to take a backseat role on his own channel or something, since Invicta seems to be a one-man project. He might just be autistic though, gives me that vibe lmao.

K&G has had a drop in quality in some areas, I personally don't find them bad but the narration is very dull and some of the topics become real snoozefests, making it hard even as background noise.

Agreed. They are not bad, just very average with the occasional great video. Also, I wish they'd use more diverse music when talking about asian history, or different music in general. At this point I can't fucking stand the Civilization 5 China theme anymore.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

despite his socialistic rhetoric spent the entirety of the early 1930s following a program of mass privatization.

Its not really privatization when your putting industries in the hands of party apparatchiks, party organs, and party members working for the government. Its just nationalization by a different name. There were no independent businesses in Nazi Germany. Everything was controlled and regulated from the top, including prices and what was produced. TIK actually goes over this rather well.

 

[biscuitscilia]

A new AlternateHistoryHub dropped

This seems to be made as a direct response to the fall of Afghanistan and also, Cody name drops and advertises whatifalthis. I guess it's a somewhat convenient tie-in because it's not like a lot of his other collaborations where the other has a massive contribution with the research side of the subject, like his collabs with CynicalHistorian and Tigerstar.

 

[vulg]

A new AlternateHistoryHub dropped

This seems to be made as a direct response to the fall of Afghanistan and also, Cody name drops and advertises whatifalthis. I guess it's a somewhat convenient tie-in because it's not like a lot of his other collaborations where the other has a massive contribution with the research side of the subject, like his collabs with CynicalHistorian and Tigerstar.

So instead of a plausible division plan he chooses to do an alt hist of a purposefully batshit and spiteful plan made by the Jewish treasury sec.? What’s even the point when the premise itself is impossible?

 

[Corpun]

So instead of a plausible division plan he chooses to do an alt hist of a purposefully batshit and spiteful plan made by the Jewish treasury sec.? What’s even the point when the premise itself is impossible?

Because actual Althist requires you to think. Using the plan from an insanely spiteful walking caricature of what Hitler thought Jews were is a lot easier, even if the aftermath of such an idea is already known.

 

[vulg]

Because actual Althist requires you to think. Using the plan from an insanely spiteful walking caricature of what Hitler thought Jews were is a lot easier, even if the aftermath of such an idea is already known.

ok but while youre here can you help me with a few questions?

what if Hitler was Black?
what if the Confederacy was pro abolition?
what if my father never started drinking?

feel free to get back to me anytime about this, thanks.

 

[Corpun]

what if Hitler was Black?

Watchu' talkin' 'bout fool, Hitl;er wuz blak. Ev'n if he ain't he be honorary! He killed dem slave ownahs n shiet!

what if the Confederacy was pro abolition?

It would've existed only to spite Yankees.

what if my father never started drinking?

You wouldn't be born with FAS.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

What’s even the point when the premise itself is impossible?

Congrats you've just explain 99% of althistories with just that statement. But I would say the point of good alternate histories is to be a thought experiment and to be entertaining to the people that enjoy them

what if Hitler was Black?

 

[Slap47]

I'm not a big fan of Sengoku Jidai stuff, but this channel is undeniably good and made by a passionate person.

Because actual Althist requires you to think. Using the plan from an insanely spiteful walking caricature of what Hitler thought Jews were is a lot easier, even if the aftermath of such an idea is already known.

A new AlternateHistoryHub dropped

This seems to be made as a direct response to the fall of Afghanistan and also, Cody name drops and advertises whatifalthis. I guess it's a somewhat convenient tie-in because it's not like a lot of his other collaborations where the other has a massive contribution with the research side of the subject, like his collabs with CynicalHistorian and Tigerstar.

I thought this was his best video ever. The Morgantheau plan was real and he perfectly summarized why it was evil, and why America was the good guy of ww2. He should have also explained that this plan actually got revealed to the public and made the Nazis fight harder.

Its kinda ironic. He'd probably be banned for making a similar argument on his friends channel on a secondary secret account. This goes against his friends "once a bigot, always a bigot, you cannot convince a bigot" mindset.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

I thought this was his best video ever. The Morgantheau plan was real and he perfectly summarized why it was evil, and why America was the good guy of ww2. He should have also explained that this plan actually got revealed to the public and made the Nazis fight harder.

Seriously, the Morgenthau Plan leak, alongside the "we will only accept unconditional surrender" statement (which FDR declared without talking with his other allies first, ticking off the USSR in particular) were probably the single biggest reasons more generals didn't support overthrowing Hitler, and Black Orchestra (the anti-Nazi resistance) didn't gain more traction. The Allies did absolutely nothing to support the anti-Nazi resistance and offer Germany a way out, but the resistance still attempted the coup anyway, God bless them.