Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[ddw]

My friend works in a restaurant in San Francisco and they’ve started the vaccine mandate too. So now pretty much every order has been takeout. How is this supposed to help businesses after everything that’s already happened

honestly I am so depressed and worried about the future

that's actually not the worst news. worst news would be people going to restaurants and complying

 

[Mrs. Addams]

I have a feeling the approval is going to be some weasly ‘approval that’s not actually an approval’ to give the media enough drive to say it’s approved while also CYA.

Is there any actual consequence to the vaccine not being approved? It seems that the EAU is indefinite and no court has actually struck down a vaccine mandate, government or private.

People on Reddit were saying that a drug can be approved, even with issues, as long as it helps more than it hurts.

 

[ddw]

People on Reddit were saying that a drug can be approved, even with issues, as long as it helps more than it hurts.

the ancap in me agrees but not when it's getting mandated

 

[teriyakiburns]

I'm sure this article has been mentioned before, but it's a good counter to the claim that the state would never voluntarily impose a harmful treatment on its population. It's not the first time a state has engaged in a mass vaccination campaign, against all scientific evidence, and ended up harming more people than it claimed to help.

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The Long Shadow of the 1976 Swine Flu Vaccine 'Fiasco'

Some, but not all, of the hesitance to embrace vaccines can be traced back to this event more than 40 years ago

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The rona vaccine is just a world-wide version of the same "we must do something; this is something; we must do it" urge that drove the US to impose a dangerous treatment for swine flu. politicians and activists are incapable of anything other than that single train of thought.

 

[Keystone]

honestly I am so depressed and worried about the future

Well that's an easy fix -- just stop having any hope for it whatsoever. It's a freeing feeling (sort of).

 

[Sanshain]

My friend works in a restaurant in San Francisco and they’ve started the vaccine mandate too. So now pretty much every order has been takeout. How is this supposed to help businesses after everything that’s already happened

honestly I am so depressed and worried about the future

It isn't supposed to help restaurants. It's supposed to help McDonalds and Amazon, and other megacorps like that. They can afford to deal with these measures and stay in operation. This is just a giant squeeze on small businesses, while the megacorps stay fine.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

the ancap in me agrees but not when it's getting mandated

so what is the shit that neoliberals make fun of ancaps for? They both seem to push for the same end result of megacorporations owning everything.

 

[ddw]

so what is the shit that neoliberals make fun of ancaps for? They both seem to push for the same end result of megacorporations owning everything.

well for starters a vaccine passport in an ancap society fundamentally wouldn't work because of the situation described on the previous page

 

[FarmerKhourtney]

Don’t know where I saw the link (maybe stupid Facebook news) but it was about Texas doctors , an internal memo about triage and could they decide how to triage based on vaccination status’. Then they backpedaled and said it was just to gather opinions. Opinions on what? Denying people medical care ? The thought is really upsetting

 

[Mealy Mouth Spittle]

You know it's bad when even the Washington Post is reporting "ehh MAYBE Moderna can lead to heart problems."

https://archive.md/uNJOG

Edit: Holy fuck, even Yahoo is acknowledging it. Something MUST be up.

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They've already figured this out with Pfizer (which is the only one that teens can get in the US at the moment). All they did was slap a warning label on it, but still recommended kids get it. I'm certain they'll do the same thing with Moderna. They just have to tell you about it because then you can't claim you didn't know the risks.

Don’t know where I saw the link (maybe stupid Facebook news) but it was about Texas doctors , an internal memo about triage and could they decide how to triage based on vaccination status’. Then they backpedaled and said it was just to gather opinions. Opinions on what? Denying people medical care ? The thought is really upsetting

That's why you should lie and say that you or your loved one is vaccinated when you/they go to the ER. By the time they figure out you are lying, they won't have a good justification for denying you treatment. Until they get a national database of all covid vaccine info that can be checked in real time, you can simply claim your card is at home. If they've got time to track down your covid vaccination status, they've got time to treat you.

 

[Lichen Bark]

I recommend you chop your pills into 1/4 since 1250 IU is a pretty good amount to take. If you don't have anything to chop pills with, buy one, they're cheap and you'll need it for the melatonin since more than 3mg of melatonin is excessive if taken long term. I chop my 3mg melatonin pills in half and usually use the other half to fall back asleep if I need to. That is, unless you work outside in the daytime. I'm not sure the amount of outside time you're recommended to get (which is probably too low if it's coming from the CDC since humans and our society evolved to be outdoors nearly all day), but if you're out all day in the sun or getting more than an hour a day or so you probably won't need it. Also consider the food you eat, since fatty fish like salmon, mackerel, etc., egg yolks, and liver are a natural source of vitamin D.

Multivitamins have so much junk in them that your body can't fully absorb what's in it, that's why doctors don't prescribe them for things like iron or calcium deficiency and want you to take a dedicated supplement. But at least some of the vitamin D in it can be metabolized.

I only recently tried melatonin. Took 5mg before bed, I think that's too much for me. Felt really tired in an unpleasant way, but then my sleep was not very deep. Woke up tired and groggy after only 6 hours of sleep, haven't taken it again. Might try a 1mg dose next time instead. Normally my sleep is pretty good, so probably shouldn't be fucking around with it but it's on the list of the covid protocol I'm trying to follow.

I got my hands on some 3mg melatonin tablets. I remember seeing @Save the Loli post about how you should cut the tablets. I also heard in @SsethTzeentach cancer/immunology stream that there wasn't much improvement in sleep quality beyond like 0.3mg. So I cut my 3mg tablet into 4 pieces making four 0.75mg doses. Taking one of those quater pills get me drowsy in about an hour or so, and has definitely helped me get back onto a normal sleep schedule. I am going to try cutting the quarter pills again, making 1/8 pills, or 0.37mg dose, and see if there is any noticeable difference between the 0.75mg and 0.37mg.

For contrast though the FLCCC: https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-...LCCC-Alliance-I-MASKplus-Protocol-ENGLISH.pdf says to take 6mg, before bed for their "preventative prophylaxis" and a huge 10mg if you have an active covid infection. I'll be honest I'm not sure how good i'd feel after that high a dose, but perhaps if you have more in your system it will offer better protection (what melatonin actually does below in spoiler).

I feel like I'd be drunken sailor after 10mg personally, but after reading the couple of studies on it I think I would take more, as it is anti inflammatory, and that's what you want with covid so I hear.

Spoiler: Melatonin Study on Covid and the Flu

From: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33741691/

From: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32217117/
@The golden neckbeard Get some melatonin champ.

 

[knobslobbin]

Florida is doubling down on its monoclonal antibody bullshit, but refuses to try HCQ or Ivermectin. Strange how one is making the pharma industry billions, while the cheap option is being actively suppressed. At least the left and the right are both coming together to make sure big pharma gets paid first.

 

[american_amadan]

Had an Aunt who contracted the virus sometime around 3 weeks ago. She didn't get vaxxed (I did, I don't care that she didn't, but that's besides the point anyway). A few underlying conditions, mainly hypertension. She got put on the ventilator Sunday night. On that side of my family I'm the only one with half a brain so I pulled the doctor aside and asked realistically what are her odds of getting off this thing alive. He said 50/50 at best. I kept my family away from that number knowing they would all have emotional breakdowns. He said lets vent her for 2 weeks and hope it gets better with some treatments.

Just got the news they took her off after 6 days instead of the two weeks. Breathing went from 60% saturation on the ventilator. I couldn't believe it, 60% saturation is usually a death sentence.

I still don't think COVID is out of control dangerous for the general public, and is not worth tanking our economies and lifestyles for. However a lesson in reality can be learned from this. If you're sick and you know it's not just the common cold or the flu, go to the doctor. My aunt waiting turned it into a nightmare for all of us. Pneumonia with covid is no joke.

 

[Kujo Jotaro]

I got my hands on some 3mg melatonin tablets. I remember seeing @Save the Loli post about how you should cut the tablets. I also heard in @SsethTzeentach cancer/immunology stream that there wasn't much improvement in sleep quality beyond like 0.3mg. So I cut my 3mg tablet into 4 pieces making four 0.75mg doses. Taking one of those quater pills get me drowsy in about an hour or so, and has definitely helped me get back onto a normal sleep schedule. I am going to try cutting the quarter pills again, making 1/8 pills, or 0.37mg dose, and see if there is any noticeable difference between the 0.75mg and 0.37mg.

For contrast though the FLCCC: https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-...LCCC-Alliance-I-MASKplus-Protocol-ENGLISH.pdf says to take 6mg, before bed for their "preventative prophylaxis" and a huge 10mg if you have an active covid infection. I'll be honest I'm not sure how good i'd feel after that high a dose, but perhaps if you have more in your system it will offer better protection (what melatonin actually does below in spoiler).
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I feel like I'd be drunken sailor after 10mg personally, but after reading the couple of studies on it I think I would take more, as it is anti inflammatory, and that's what you want with covid so I hear.

Spoiler: Melatonin Study on Covid and the Flu

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From: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33741691/

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From: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32217117/
@The golden neckbeard Get some melatonin champ.

>tfw working third shift has shielded me from chink flu aids

 

[Protistology]

Had an Aunt who contracted the virus sometime around 3 weeks ago. She didn't get vaxxed (I did, I don't care that she didn't, but that's besides the point anyway). A few underlying conditions, mainly hypertension. She got put on the ventilator Sunday night. On that side of my family I'm the only one with half a brain so I pulled the doctor aside and asked realistically what are her odds of getting off this thing alive. He said 50/50 at best. I kept my family away from that number knowing they would all have emotional breakdowns. He said lets vent her for 2 weeks and hope it gets better with some treatments.

Just got the news they took her off after 6 days instead of the two weeks. Breathing went from 60% saturation on the ventilator. I couldn't believe it, 60% saturation is usually a death sentence.

I still don't think COVID is out of control dangerous for the general public, and is not worth tanking our economies and lifestyles for. However a lesson in reality can be learned from this. If you're sick and you know it's not just the common cold or the flu, go to the doctor. My aunt waiting turned it into a nightmare for all of us. Pneumonia with covid is no joke.

Age and weight?

 

[american_amadan]

Age and weight?

53. Overweight but not obese. Never a smoker either. So I think it was the hypertension that really got her. I really didn't even think of hypertension as a big driver of severe illness (edit: within the context of a respiratory disease like covid) but it seems to be.

 

[Niggs Monaghan]

53. Overweight but not obese. Never a smoker either. So I think it was the hypertension that really got her. I really didn't even think of hypertension as a big driver of severe illness (edit: within the context of a respiratory disease like covid) but it seems to be.

Well, that's the problem there. Covid isn't a respiratory disease, and that's why the venting doesn't help. It's an inflammatory disease, which would make sense why hypertension would make it very dangerous.

 

[american_amadan]

Well, that's the problem there. Covid isn't a respiratory disease, and that's why the venting doesn't help. It's an inflammatory disease, which would make sense why hypertension would make it very dangerous.

Thank you for pointing that out. In my googling I realized that and that the ventilator really only keeps people with covid alive, it's not a treatment. Another misconception I had.

My keyboard doctor skills are (so far) limited to ventilators only. I'm in law by trade so I'm more used to gunshot wounds to the head, thankfully those are easy to understand.

 

[clusterfuckk]

Thank you for pointing that out. In my googling I realized that and that the ventilator really only keeps people with covid alive, it's not a treatment. Another misconception I had.

My keyboard doctor skills are (so far) limited to ventilators only. I'm in law by trade so I'm more used to gunshot wounds to the head, thankfully those are easy to understand.

Ventilators are almost a death sentence for people of a certain age/weight and more often than not older adults don’t get off them alive. Even younger healthier people have to do speech language therapy because their vocal cords are fried after lengthy intubation.
doctors know this; a doctor friend told me this. It makes it all the more nefarious when they could be trying alternatives first.

 

[Plank]

Something has changed over the past week. I assume it is the booster shot news. For the year or so when I am out walking past people sitting and chatting amongst themselves, I would hear the standard snippets of conversations about such and such Red state where 'cases are soaring' or how a 'totally healthy' twenty something just died from covid.

It is crazy, I now am hearing more and more conversations about racing hearts, blood pressure skyrocketing, breathing trouble, etc. It is like a room full of people who sit silently and then someone walks out the door and all of them start madly gossiping about the person.

Must resist doing my Not Vaccinated and I Feel Fine! dance. A good number of these people are the very same 'Get the Jab!' nutcases who 'stay informed' by watching cable news and the 'experts' they have on. And even worse, more than one of these people now openly talking about their heart problems were the sanrky cunts whose sister/daughter/friend 'is a nurse and she knows what she is talking about' when they would try to demand everyone to get the jab.

The few times I visited the horror show that is r/covidvaccinated I was flabbergasted at the repeated stories from people who say they were told to essentially fuck off and stop making trouble when they reported all these post vaccine symptoms we keep hearing about. With the sheer amount of random people talking about their serious side effects I have to assume VAERS is wildly under-reporting the true scope these vaccines are doing.