UK Parliament holds Joe Biden in contempt over Afghanistan

MPs and peers unite to condemn ‘dishonour’ of US president’s withdrawal and his criticism of Afghan troops left behind to face Taliban

Joe Biden's handling of the Afghanistan withdrawal was condemned as "catastrophic" and "shameful" on Wednesday as the Houses of Parliament delivered an unprecedented rebuke to a US president.
MPs and peers from across the political spectrum, including Boris Johnson, put some blame for the Taliban's takeover and the chaos that followed on Britain's closest ally.
Mr Biden was accused of "throwing us and everybody else to the fire" by pulling out US troops, and was called "dishonourable" for criticising Afghan forces for not having the will to fight.
Former defence chiefs who led British troops in the Middle East were among those to speak out, while there were warnings that the West's withdrawal would embolden Russia and China.
The interventions mark a deterioration in UK-US relations almost exactly 20 years after Britain joined America in invading Afghanistan to root out terrorism after the September 11 attacks.
But it was not just Mr Biden who faced criticism, with Mr Johnson and his ministers told they had overseen the worst disaster in British foreign policy for 65 years.
The Prime Minister was accused of not doing enough to rally allies to support Afghanistan as the US departure became apparent, including by his predecessor, Theresa May.

Wednesday's debate marked the first time Parliament has sat as normal in more than a year, as MPs and peers crammed into the chambers with Covid social distancing rules gone.
Mr Johnson began by arguing that America's decision to withdraw troops from Afghanistan had forced Britain's hand, saying it was an "illusion" to think other allies wanted to step in to keep the peace.
"The West could not continue this US-led mission – a mission conceived and executed in support and defence of America – without American logistics, without US air power and without American might," the Prime Minister said in a clear swipe at Washington.
MPs from all sides of the Commons were forceful in their criticism. Sir Keir Starmer, the Labour leader, said: "The US is, of course, an important ally, but to overlook the fighting of the Afghan troops and forces, and the fact that they have been at the forefront of that fighting in recent years, is wrong."
Sir Ed Davey, the Liberal Democrat leader, said: "The American decision to withdraw was not just a mistake – it was an avoidable mistake, from President Trump's flawed deal with the Taliban to President Biden's decision to proceed, and to proceed in such a disastrous way."
Tom Tugendhat, the Tory chairman of the foreign affairs committee, who fought alongside Afghans as a British soldier, called out Mr Biden's criticism of the Afghan army.
"To see their commander in chief call into question the courage of men I fought with, to claim that they ran, is shameful," he said, to murmurs of approval from other MPs.

Labour MP Chris Bryant called Mr Biden's remarks about Afghan soldiers "some of the most shameful comments ever from an American president".
Khalid Mahmood, a Labour MP and former defence minister, said: "The Biden government have just come in and, without looking at what is happening on the ground, have taken a unilateral decision, throwing us and everybody else to the fire."
Other MPs who served as soldiers also rounded on Mr Biden. Iain Duncan Smith, a former Tory leader, called his comments "shameful", while Labour MP Dan Jarvis described them as "particularly distasteful and dishonouring". Tobias Ellwood, a former veterans' minister, said the US withdrawal was "absolutely the wrong call".
Leading Conservatives in the Lords also made clear their disapproval. Lord Hammond, a former foreign secretary, said: "When I listen to the US president, I cannot help reaching the conclusion that this decision was made out of a sense of political tidy-mindedness – we need to close a file; we need to draw a line; it has gone on for too long."
Lord Howard, another former Tory leader, said Mr Biden's withdrawal "is, and will be seen by history as, a catastrophic mistake which may well prove to be the defining legacy of his presidency".

The heated rhetoric has thrust the state of the "special relationship" and the Biden-Johnson partnership into the spotlight. The Telegraph understands Mr Johnson had been attempting to get Mr Biden on the phone to discuss Kabul falling from Monday morning. The pair eventually talked at close to 10pm on Tuesday.
On Wednesday, General Sir Nick Carter, the head of the Armed Forces, accused the US of "shattering" the morale of Afghan troops when they stopped air strikes.
A UK defence source insisted the UK and US military were continuing to work closely at Kabul airport in a race against time under way to evacuate people with the Taliban nearby. However, there is concern amongst some in government that the US might soon pull out of the airport, according to Whitehall sources.
Philip Reeker, America's acting ambassador, went into Downing Street for talks with Will Gelling, Mr Johnson's foreign policy adviser.
While the day of debate was playing out in Westminster after Parliament was recalled from its summer recess, the Taliban was tightening its grip on Afghanistan. Militants shot dead at least three people after protesters pulled down the group's banner and raised the Afghan national flag in its place.

The Taliban was also tightly controlling which Afghans could enter Kabul airport to escape, leading to footage of girls locked out and begging to be helped by Western forces.
Senior former UK defence figures criticised Mr Biden, with Lord Dannatt, the former head of the British Army, saying: "The manner and timing of the Afghan collapse is the direct result of President Biden's decision to withdraw all US forces from Afghanistan by the 20th anniversary of 9/11.
"At a stroke, he has undermined the patient and painstaking work of the last five, 10, 15 years to build up governance in Afghanistan, develop its economy, transform its civil society and build up its security forces. The people had a glimpse of a better life – but that has been torn away."
Lord Houghton of Richmond, a former chief of the defence staff, said: "I think the American decision to withdraw military support was a dreadful one, and the resulting chaos should be of no surprise."
Mr Johnson came in for repeated criticism for his handling of the Afghanistan withdrawl, including by Mrs May.
She said: "In July of this year, both President Biden and my Right Honourable friend the Prime Minister indicated that they did not think that the Taliban were ready or able to take over control of the country

"Was our intelligence really so poor? Was our understanding of the Afghan government so weak? Was our knowledge of the position on the ground so inadequate? Did we really believe that, or did we just feel that we had to follow the United States and hope that, on a wing and a prayer, it would be all right on the night?
"We boast about global Britain, but where is global Britain on the streets of Kabul? A successful foreign policy strategy will be judged by our deeds, not by our words."
Mr Johnson talked to Mario Draghi, the Italian prime minister, on Wednesday as he pushed world leaders for a unified position on the new Taliban regime. Foreign ministers from the G7 group of nations will hold talks on Afghanistan on Thursday.
The UK had evacuated around 1,200 people from Kabul on military flights as of Wednesday morning. Around 300 were UK nationals and 900 were Afghans and others who had helped the UK's mission in the country.

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You might be right about the yuropoors, but the British Army has been pulling above its weight for the entire afghan campaign. They're doing more than your boys right now. 82nd Airborne is kicking its heels in kabul airport while 2 Para is out on regular patrols in the city to rescue people.
I guarantee you that the US is doing far more than just pulling security for the airport. Likely have teams all over the country securing or destroying assets. Busy time. We just aren't advertising it.
 
Centuries of British leaders are rolling in their graves right now at the idea of an England that can't successfully invade a 3rd world country without American aid.

On a more serious note, did the US just not communicate any of its intentions to allies, or are they just trying to cover for their own, similar, poor planning?
 
"To see their commander in chief call into question the courage of men I fought with, to claim that they ran, is shameful," he said, to murmurs of approval from other MPs.
Yeah no, he can fuck right off. I served alongside more than a few ANA soldiers who quite openly admitted that they would fuck off the second the West finally pulled out. They had neither the intention nor the will to fucking fight on their own and only politicians and literal window lickers thought otherwise.
 
I guarantee you that the US is doing far more than just pulling security for the airport. Likely have teams all over the country securing or destroying assets. Busy time. We just aren't advertising it.
What absolute fuckin bullshit. :story:

Don't know what assets are left to destroy since the Taliban took over all the ANA equipment stocks we left them to fight a war that had been conducted exclusively with overwhelming air support and nothing to replace it. The only assets left are human and those are probably compromised too because some sped O-6 decided it would be cool to just leave that on a thumb drive or something if the reports are true. Not sure how true they are, but judging by the photographic evidence of everything else we left behind I am not going to put it out of the realm of plausibility. No, if anyone is doing that I would say the PLA is busy securing assets with the help of the ISI who has always been in contact with the Taliban in some way.
 
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Sorry, but I'm all done listening to Theresa Huawei May screeching about anyone else supposedly betraying democracy. Bitch must be off her insulin.
 
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War was an upperclass duty from the time of Sargon until the Somme. Really makes ya think.
"War which was once cruel and magnificent is now cruel and squalid." - Winston Churchill. They all bailed as soon as war quit being about personal bravery and more about chucking more artillery shells at the enemy than they had poor bloody infantrymen to absorb them and huddling in a dirty, water-logged trench hoping Fate didn't roll snake eyes for you when you start hearing incoming shellfire.
 
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"War which was once cruel and magnificent is now cruel and squalid." - Winston Churchill. They all bailed as soon as war quit being about personal bravery and more about chucking more artillery shells at the enemy than they had poor bloody infantrymen to absorb them and huddling in a dirty, water-logged trench hoping Fate didn't roll snake eyes for you when you start hearing incoming shellfire.
Scientists ruin everything.
 
Scientists ruin everything.
Pretty much. I mean it had been on a steady decline ever since gunpowder let a peasant with six months of training put a chunk of cast lead through a nobleman's suit of armor that was probably worth as much as said peasant's entire village (and no, I'm not really exaggerating here, the modern-day equivalent cost of a full suit of bespoke plate would buy you a brand-new sedan off the lot), so it really shouldn't shock you.
 
Pretty much. I mean it had been on a steady decline ever since gunpowder let a peasant with six months of training put a chunk of cast lead through a nobleman's suit of armor that was probably worth as much as said peasant's entire village (and no, I'm not really exaggerating here, the modern-day equivalent cost of a full suit of bespoke plate would buy you a brand-new sedan off the lot), so it really shouldn't shock you.
At least in the good old days, bullets were thrown by slings, which took years to get really good at.

A Balearic slinger kills you, and as you lay dying you can at least know that it was done by a real artist.
 
At least in the good old days, bullets were thrown by slings, which took years to get really good at.

A Balearic slinger kills you, and as you lay dying you can at least know that it was done by a real artist.
How old are you exactly, if you're reminiscing about the good old days of 2500 years ago? like Methuselah, or the Wandering Jew levels of old?
 
Nothing brings americans of all political stripes together more than a bit of the unhinged, bitter, anglophobia that seems to constantly plauge their minds.
It wouldn't have made a difference if parliament has come out with 'We find Joe Biden has done a terrific job' the reaction would be exactly the same.
 
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