Infected Euphoric atheists

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Even ignoring that this refers to how the early Church was organised and not to how Christians should organise society today, let me introduce you to a little thing called distributism.

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Evidently atheists haven't heard of Lysenkoism.
 
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Evidently atheists haven't heard of Lysenkoism.
Or Relativity. We still have no observational proof of black holes or dark matter, and the idea that space can be curved is currently experimentally unprovable. Scientists have faith that they exist because the math for them to exist works some of the time.
 
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Jesus was communist sweaty.
My favorite one is the one where he says a rich man going to heaven will have a harder journey than a camel threading itself through the needle of an eye.

Mainly because fuck prosperity gospel faggots who bilk their audience out of pensions, work pay, and then sell them scams.
 
I have the sensation I'm missing something. What has Christianity to do with any of this? Is the euphoric assuming the murderer was christian because the news have been published by Fox News? Or maybe because he's from Washington? Or just simply because he's white, which at this point wouldn't surprise me? Is he just comparing him with christians?

Leaving that aside, murdering your sister's rapist, as vindictive as it is, it's a really understandable thing to do. Not justifiable, but understandable. I don't get that reaction of "Wow, this people is so evil".
 
I have the sensation I'm missing something. What has Christianity to do with any of this? Is the euphoric assuming the murderer was christian because the news have been published by Fox News? Or maybe because he's from Washington? Or just simply because he's white, which at this point wouldn't surprise me? Is he just comparing him with christians?

Leaving that aside, murdering your sister's rapist, as vindictive as it is, it's a really understandable thing to do. Not justifiable, but understandable. I don't get that reaction of "Wow, this people is so evil".
I also don't see the preoccupation with demands that Christians be 100% pacifist in the face of horror and depravity. You're not commanded to be a pushover anywhere in the Bible.
 
Atheists be like...
I also don't see the preoccupation with demands that Christians be 100% pacifist in the face of horror and depravity. You're not commanded to be a pushover anywhere in the Bible.
In all fairness, Jesus did say to turn the other cheek when attacked and to reject the whole “eye for an eye” thing from the Old Testament.
 
In all fairness, Jesus did say to turn the other cheek when attacked and to reject the whole “eye for an eye” thing from the Old Testament.
That command is frequently misunderstood and used to preach passivity in the face of evil. He is telling people not to immediately react to insults with violence, but he's not saying to be passive and take violence on yourself either. By exposing the "wrong" cheek you're forcing them to do choose if they want to escalate (by slapping you with their "unclean" hand) or back down and be humiliated by your defiance.

Jesus was more than willing to resort to violence when it was righteous to do so, like when he used a bullwhip on moneylenders in the Temple.
 
That command is frequently misunderstood and used to preach passivity in the face of evil. He is telling people not to immediately react to insults with violence, but he's not saying to be passive and take violence on yourself either. By exposing the "wrong" cheek you're forcing them to do choose if they want to escalate (by slapping you with their "unclean" hand) or back down and be humiliated by your defiance.

Jesus was more than willing to resort to violence when it was righteous to do so, like when he used a bullwhip on moneylenders in the Temple.
Luke 22:36
He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
 
Yes, that verse looks bad. Until you realise that the people being slaughtered took over Jerusalem, tore down the temples that God's people had built, and started worshipping their pagan gods there.

Bear in mind that these are the same people that call a summer of BLM riots a ”legitimate reaction to white supremacy”.
Yeah, they definitely would side with the pagans. If there's any religion the woke crowd & even many euphorics are soft on other than Islam, it's paganism. Mainly because A:there's the whole being oppressed by and opposed to Christianity, so they'd view these pagans as unjust victims of the evil, oppressive christians getting some well-desrved revenge and would enthusiastically support them defiling christian temples and worshipping their heathen gods and maybe even murdering a few christians as well and B;Pagan religions tend to have very loose moral rules/restrictions, especially when it comes to sex & sexuality. So after Satanism, it's a popular choice for those who want a spiritual belief but don't want excessive moral restrictions and/or hate Christianity so much that even being a lax/cafeteria christian is too much.

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My opinion: There are no "normal" non-believers. It's all reddit-soymen or neckbeards.
That's because atheism is a positive assertion, not a neutral state like they'll often claim it is. It's the religious belief that there can be no higher power. All normal people who aren't explicitly religious are agnostic, since that amounts to not knowing or not caring one way or the other.
 
Evidently atheists haven't heard of Lysenkoism.
Or Relativity. We still have no observational proof of black holes or dark matter, and the idea that space can be curved is currently experimentally unprovable. Scientists have faith that they exist because the math for them to exist works some of the time.
All fair points, but I think it goes deeper than that.

There's at least three problems that I can think of:

The first is Hume's famous Problem of Induction.
Simple version is this: we've got all these things that we 'know' through evidence and observation, right? This is "empirical knowledge", or knowledge arrived at through what is known as "inductive reasoning". For example, we know that the sun rises every morning. We 'know' this because the evidence of our lives says that every day, we wake up, and the sun rises. (unless we're in Scandinavia, in which case we've developed all kinds of fancy scientific systems to explain the new, deviant observation)

The problem with this line of reasoning, however, is that it relies on the assumption that the future will be like the past. This, too, is an assumption we make, based on evidence (future things DO tend to happen like the past), which in turn relies on the same inherently unproveable assumption that the future will be like the past. i.e. the typical way by which we attempt to prove this assumption, which is often referred to as the Principle of the Uniformity of Nature, is nothing more than circular reasoning.

In most cases, this isn't really a problem, since aside from philosophy majors, nobody needs to spend their life fretting about stuff like "am I brain in a bottle?" or "am I correct in assuming that the future will be like the past?" However, it is an issue, it very well may be unresolvable, and if that is the case, it necessarily means that any empirical system (like science) must rest, at its core, on at least one proposition that is taken on faith alone.

i.e. unless a scientist can resolve Hume (and I would venture to suggest he can't), all science is, at its most basic level, a matter of faith.


The second is the Crisis of Reproducability.
A lot has been written about this in recent years, so I would assume euophorics - with their interest in science - are already acquaintance with it. But again, simple version: science is meant to reproducible; experimental results get published, then other teams work to see if they can replicate those results (and if they can't, that's a strong indicator that there was something wrong with the original team's research). This is one of the main rationales for having peer-reviewed journals, and for even having a "scientific community" at all. Yet analysis of scientific research has been showing that vast swathes of supposedly "sound" studies either have not, or cannot, be replicated. Usually this effects fields that, I would argue, aren't science at all (sociology for example), but even "real" science, like physics or sexology, is having a hard time with it.

The question then arises: can we accept scientific conclusions that have not been replicated? If we do not, then we have to a) put science on hold until we can identify all the "junk science" (which is going to take a lot of time, and involve a lot of heartache), and b) throw out (potentially) the majority of what "science" has told us for the past couple centuries (including stuff that could very well be correct, despite the methodological problems of existing research). But if we do just soldier on with our science anyways, then it is on faith that we do so - faith that, despite the Crisis, this particular line of scientific reasoning, in front of us right now, happens to be sound and replicable (we hope).


The third is the fact that, while yes, IN THEORY, sound science will produce a chain evidence that can be checked and rechecked and shown to be sound, by each individual scientist, through direct empirical study, IN PRACTICE, nobody has the time, let alone inclination, to do so.
Science is complicated. The body scientific literature available for any given question within any given field is often considerable, and it's growing larger every day. This is why, unless they're just teachers, scientists cannot be "generalists" - they must pick a field, and a narrow range of questions within that field, to really study and understand. The science they do is, presumably, open to them, and they can see for themselves which hypothesis stand up to scrutiny, which don't, what the evidence is, etc etc.

But to borrow a famous phrase, every scientist "stands on the shoulders of giants". Yes, scientists tend to be professional and thorough. Maybe you cite a paper as a source for an assertion or assumption you make; then you check that paper's sources, and maybe you check THAT paper's sources, and maybe just maybe check the next down just to be safe. But nobody's going to check the source of a source of a source of a source of a source, not for one scientific fact you assert to be true, and certainly not for every single scientific assumption you assert to be true.

And even if you WERE to go back, back and back and back, into the literature of the Before Times, and you read all the studies and experimental notes right on down to the beginning, it would be even more absurd to actually redo each of these experiments in order to check and see, empirically, for yourself, that yes in fact, Dr Soandso WAS correct when he got Japanese bullweevils to successfully mate while under the influence of this particular chemical compound, and yes, Dr Whosamawhatsi WAS correct when his team found that the compound in question acted on the protein receptors of Molecule Blahblahblah, and BY GOD YES, Dr Mrsvandertramp was utterly and completely spot-on right when she discovered that Molecule Blahblahblah was composed of three atoms of Element Xirps, five atoms of Element Quipups, and some scotch tape that had been nicked by the undergraduates from Nottingham.

ALL THIS TO SAY, ultimately, everyone - even the very best scientists (especially the very best scientists?) - must, and do, on any given day, take countless "sound scientific assertions" to be true, not based on any direct empirical knowledge that they themselves have access to, but on faith alone. On faith that the scientists before them did the work, did the work well, and came to the right conclusions.
 
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I guess after The New Normal pushed people to Trust The Science™, there's a surge of "euphoric" atheism?

Even though the stereotypical fedora'd neckbeard atheist brony of the early 2010s fades into the past?
 
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How did the stereotypical neckbeard look become a thing?

Neckbeards aren't known for a social life, so how is it they pretty much all chose to wear fedoras or trilbies, graphic tees, and cargo shorts? Why did they all go with neckbeards? Did they think they were rebelling against conformity, but somehow wound up looking alike?

(the same thing could be asked of soyboys and dangerhairs too)
 
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Did they think they were rebelling against conformity, but somehow wound up looking alike?

(the same thing could be asked of soyboys and dangerhairs too)
Seems to be a reoccurring pattern with groups who claim to be “non-conformist”. So reoccurring in fact that I can say with almost 100% certainty that true non-conformity doesn’t exist and it’s all really just different, conflicting brands of conformity.
 
Or Relativity. We still have no observational proof of black holes or dark matter, and the idea that space can be curved is currently experimentally unprovable. Scientists have faith that they exist because the math for them to exist works some of the time.

We do have observational evidence of black holes; gravitational lensing is the most well-known, but there are various others as well such as the detection of gravitational waves (which also function as evidence for general relitivity by the way). Of course you can't "see" a black hole in the same way as you can "see" a star, but you can observe all sorts of effects that are extremely hard to explain otherwise.

Furthermore, the theoretical concept is actually quite easy: once you have enough matter so that gravity becomes stronger than the other forces *something* needs to happen, and that something is what we call a black hole. This concept predates both general relativity and quantum mechanics by several centuries and a lot of the basic math and physics surrounding this is actually surprisingly simple and easy to follow, although things get much more complicated once you start talking about "what happens in a black hole", "what if two black holes collide", and those kind of things.

Dark matter is a bit of a different story and we do indeed know less about that, but it's more than just something to "make the math work for them some of the time"; it's not about "the math" working, it about explaining observations, and thus far Dark Matter is by far the best (though unsatisfactory) explanation we have, even though we don't fully understand everything yet doesn't mean it's just complete bogus or "faith".
 
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