Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[talk sh1t]

They are correct while not being correct. Leakage will not cause mutations, mutations simply happen. The thing that makes the leakage important is that by vaccinating a large part of the population, now the evolutionary pressures have changed. They're not lying by saying it's not the leakage that causes mutation, they're just sticking their head in the sand about the possible consequences of transmitting a disease between people who have their symptoms suppressed.
A leaky vaccine would not be an issue if you maintain a pool of hosts that normalize evolutionary pressures.

That's kind of what I figured. Marek's disease is now 100% deadly for unvaccinated chicken (and other related birds). So if the same thing happens to Covid as did with Marek's, we're basically condemning ourselves to taking booster shots with god knows what frequency, forever, because now if you're not immune to Covid you're definitely gonna die when you catch it.
At least as time goes on better vaccines will be developed with no side-effects, one can hope...

 

[NoSpiceLife]

Lol no I'm just really dumb.

Also, I asked this in the COVID Conspiracy Theorists thread and got several answers along the lines of "the vaccine is effective enough that the leakage won't cause any mutations", whereas here I get the answer that any kind of leakage is dangerous (e.g. Marek's disease in chicken), which is why I asked again.

But I get your point of posting repetitive questions, I'll read through the past few months' worth of posts now before spamming up the thread again.

Sorry, that may be me mixing you up with the conversation that happened within this thread days ago, something triggered my memory with your avatar (dark and light, not the fact that it's a black man), in saying that though, who is saying what, is not my first consideration when reading, it's the actual content, hence what may be my mixup.

LOL good luck on the reading months worth, maybe just do the highlight to highlight thing, there is a lot of really good information throughout this thread, stuff with actual proof, unlike the dibshits over on the other thread, who believe anything MSM says.

 

[talk sh1t]

Sorry, that may be me mixing you up with the conversation that happened within this thread days ago, something triggered my memory with your avatar, in saying that though, who is saying what is not my first consideration when reading, it's the actual content, hence what may be my mixup.

LOL good luck on the reading months worth, maybe just do the highlight to highlight thing, there is a lot of really good information throughout this thread, stuff with actual proof, unlike the dibshits over on the other thread, who believe anything MSM says.

No you were right in calling me out because I am a lazy ass and I did ask this before here, but I was genuinely confused now because I keep getting different answers depending on if the person is biased for or against the vaccine. But yeah that's how this whole shitshow is.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

There's also a fundamental set of worldview/fact set differences between most of the people in this thread and most of the people in the other thread. It goes way deeper than "I think this vax is safe/unsafe". The number of things I think they're wrong about is so high that their entire corpus of beliefs around the situation is gibberish to me.

• They believe that COVID is so deadly that it requires a society-wide reaction of some sort. I see the stats placing it somewhere around less deadly than Swine Flu. Which as you recall, we did fucking nothing about, and are somehow still kicking.
• They believe that even if average people aren't that threatened by it (and you have to manually back them into this position every single time, because they drift instantly back to DEADLY DEADLY DEADLY the moment you lose their attention), we should all do ^~something~* to protect the vulnerable. I believe that yeah, they can hide in their houses if they're scared.
• They believe that we should all cower in fear at the idea of a spike in cases. I'm puzzled by the fact that a case in 99.9% of scenarios means a headache, a fever, and a cough for a few days. Which has happened to me basically every year I've ever lived.
• They believe that we need to get this shot to slow the spread. I'm noting that this "vaccine" has an insignificant effect on this, and am tired of them doubling down on this.
• They believe the shot is required for us to "survive" this. I point to the fact that this is, has been, and will remain, a cold.
• They think that the unvaxxed are to blame for lockdowns and mandates. I think we've had cold viruses every year for the last several hundred thousand. The difference this time is tyrannical mayors and governors. Not people bewildered at these hypochondriacs flipping the fuck out over the common cold.
• They scream that this isn't the common cold (you FOOL!). It's an upper respiratory virus that causes several symptoms commonly associated with colds, has a mortality rate around that of lightning strikes outside people already frighteningly unhealthy. Which sounds basically like it's so close to the cold that there's a distinction without a difference.
• They shout that people are DYYYYING! Yes. In rates roughly equivalent to the rates they die every year of the flu. Which is how people die. It's as if the concept of death happening to old and unhealthy people was invented in 2020. We were all immortal before that year.
• Every batshit thing the government invents using this disease as an excuse gets crazier and crazier every time they come out with one. Every time we point out the government shouldn't do this, these people claim we're conspiracy theorists. Then, shockingly, the government does the thing they said they were going to do. Then these lickspittles instantly turn around and claim this madness is a justified good, and jump to calling us conspiracy theorists for narrowing our eyes at the next wave of bullshit the government starts vaguely threatening to do. See: eternal lockdowns, vax passports, returning to the face diaper despite getting poked, supply chain interruption for more details.

I don't just disagree with these lunatics about the clot shot. Every single thing they believe about this virus is batfuck crazy and has no basis in reality.

 

[Escaped Abortion]

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1012644/Technical_Briefing_21.pdf

Brit data is in! It's a bit early and I haven't eaten breakfast or even had coffee yet, so hopefully I haven't made any absolutely silly math errors, but from the looks of it, the CFR of delta has creeped up a bit for everyone. Currently for under 50s it's 0.04% unvaxxed to 0.06% vaxxed and for over 50s it's 6.5% unvaxxed to 1.99% vaxxed.

However, if we look at what's actually happened over these past couple of weeks in the under 50 category we've added 30628 new unvaxxed cases and 15008 vaxxed ones. I'm not sure what the vaxxed to unvaxxed pop in England is right now but that's a 2:1 ratio. That's a fucking lot of break through cases. Additionally the death difference was 24 unvaxxed deaths and 14 vaxxed ones. Still close to that 2:1 ratio, but not quite. The numbers are small but that yields for these two weeks a death rate of 0.078% for the unvaxxed and 0.09% for the vaxxed under 50s. It's possible that the vaxxed feel so unreasonably safe they don't go to the hospital as much as the unvaxxed and die slightly more for it. Also, the unvaxxed are probably more jumpy about getting early treatment if they do show signs of illness to explain the difference in hospitalization trends that doesn't follow through to the dying category.

For over 50s it was 1931 more unvaxxed cases ad 11356 more vaxxed ones. 113 unvaxxed deaths in this category to 263 more vaxxed ones. This actually lowered the death rate in the unvaxxed over 50s to 5.9% for this period and increased the vaxxed deaths to 2.32% from their running tally since February.

Edit on Vaxx status: Well, I haven't found the exact numbers yet, but it's worth noting that under 50s but over 18s were only allowed to get their first dose in mid July in England, so to count as fully vaxxed by now you'd have to have gotten a shot within that first group. I think they also space them out strangely.

Over 50s have been eligible since April. Most of the fully vaxxed are in this category and the 10% with once does in other trackers is likely mostly in the under 50 cohort, plus all those age groups not currently allowed to get a shot. It's entirely possible that the under 50 vaccine coverage could be closer to 50-55% and the over 50s more like 80-90%. I wish I had the exact numbers. I don't trust the manipulation that was happening on twitter to turn the signs of significant breakthoughs into "it's nothing." If the groups are close to the same size it seems the shot only reduces your chance of infection by 50%, and even then those in the vax group are still likely prone to underreporting since they will think that their cold wouldn't be covid.

Also, as a bonus the under 50 unvaxxed hospitalization rate is 1.24% and the vaxxed is 0.62% So an actual risk reduction of 0.62% and a relative risk reduction of around 50%. Definitely not wise to dismiss bad signs on a coin toss. I still think that's why we don't see a reduction in deaths. If you are comorbid enough to die of covid, the shot alone can't counteract that, and might just make you complacent.

 

[Lina Colorado]

I wish I could convince people out there to realise we can't move foreward like this. A covid passport-society is the beginnen of the end.
I though of hanging up posters but they will be ripped off.

 

[Billy Beer]

Tinfoil time:

The jabs are made with ingredients
We need lots of those ingredients to make lots of jabs
We're seeing supply shortages, blamed on available labour (truck drivers, pickers etc) and container shortages.

What if the shortage in supplies we're seeing, is because the ingredients that usually go in to supplies, are now going in to jabs? Kind of like how alcohol producers swapped from whisky to hand sanitiser?

 

[borsabil]

Lauren Witzke on Gab: ''

Lauren Witzke on Gab: 'In Israel 95% of the covid deaths in July were vaccinated individuals. Same result this month as well.'

gab.com

It's actually 96%.

62% of the Israeli population have had the double jab

Israel is now reporting 7000 cases per day and are close to the peak of the previous case numbers in the last epidemic spike, which occurred in a completely unvaccinated population.

These are the only two metrics that actually matter. Hospitalisations are currently half of the previous peak and the fatality rate is around a third.

Good news yes? The vaccines might not be stopping infections but they're protecting people against severe illness. This is what they tell us.

Except let's go back to the first graph. Almost all the deaths reported are among the vaccinated, in fact among the fully vaccinated. We know from the numbers in the UK that the Delta variant has a case fatality rate of 0.1% for people who have never been vaccinated. So reporting a fatality rate that is a third of the alpha or Wuhan strain when it should be TEN TIMES LESS is incredible. It's clear that some degree of ADE is taking place. The 'solution' to jab even more vaccine to deal with this problem is outright insanity.

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

Almost all the deaths reported are among the vaccinated, in fact among the fully vaccinated.

The majority of deaths are still happening in the 70+ group, how much is this just nature taking it's course? It will be funny to watch world "leaders" and "experts" basically say what people have been saying about covid its self, it's just oldies that are the most at risk.

 

[Overcast]

Regarding the pro vaccine thread, even though I personally don’t agree with them, I think it’s a testament to how diverse and welcoming this site is and how we don’t censor them or vice versa.

Eat shit, Reddit!

 

[NoSpiceLife]

Regarding the pro vaccine thread, even though I personally don’t agree with them, I think it’s a testament to how diverse and welcoming this site is and how we don’t censor them or vice versa.

Eat shit, Reddit!

Absolutely agree, there is no free speech if anyone is censored.

 

[Derka Derka]

Way back when the EUA's were handed out, I remember there were reports that some pharma dropped their remaining clinical studies.
Citing something like ethical reasoning, they did not want to give placebos when their product was proven to save the world (or some bullshit like that)

Does anyone have any bookmarks from that time ... I've been searching but the search engines yield nothing (removed or buried)

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Regarding the pro vaccine thread, even though I personally don’t agree with them, I think it’s a testament to how diverse and welcoming this site is and how we don’t censor them or vice versa.

Eat shit, Reddit!

We might add to the list, those who taked the vaccines and now regrets it.

Do the people who rushed to get the COVID shot have buyer's remorse?

There are many troubling aspects to the COVID vaccines and the growing mandates for them. Here I'd like to focus on one that is rarely discussed. To begin with, when these unapproved vaccines were first made available to the public on an emerg...

www.americanthinker.com

August 22, 2021

Do the people who rushed to get the COVID shot have buyer's remorse?​

By Peter Skurkiss

There are many troubling aspects to the COVID vaccines and the growing mandates for them. Here I'd like to focus on one that is rarely discussed.
To begin with, when these unapproved vaccines were first made available to the public on an emergency basis, many people rushed headlong to get one. They were in a near panic. I saw this myself. This was due in large extent to the panic whipped up in the mainstream media. The COVID virus was reported to be deadly. Its death toll (which we now know was highly inflated) was used to induce fear. Then the early adapters relied completely on pronouncements from the vaccine manufacturers and health authorities like Dr. Anthony Fauci and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Trust the science, it was said. The vaccines were both effective and safe.
Unfortunately, the population (and their primary care physicians) were denied the opportunity to hear alternative opinions on these novel vaccines from credible immunologists and other scientists. All views contrary to the official party line were squelched by the media and censored on social media. Thus, the decision to take a COVID vaccine early on was, at best, based on the word of the experts or, at worse, the emotion of fear.
As time moved on, however, alternative opinions and facts on the vaccines began escaping from the media bubble and from under the censorship of Big Tech. This new information include evidence showing that 1) the vaccines are not nearly as effective as advertised; 2) the survival rate from COVID is over 99 percent; and 3) a troubling number of people have experienced serious side effects, up to and including death. And it doesn't end there. Credible scientists like Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology, are raising the alarm about the potential of serious long-term side-effects from these vaccines.
To be sure, although this information is out there, the censorship is still going on. It's just not as effective as it once was.
One has to wonder: given the information now available, how many of those who were vaccinated early have regrets? Not that it matters. The mRNA from the injection is in them and can never be removed. It's doing whatever it does, for good or ill. Hopefully, it's for the good, with no serious long-term side-effects. But nobody can give an assurance of that. Anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant or lying.

And one guy in Germany who criticized corona-chan measures fear for his life. https://freewestmedia.com/2021/08/21/german-corona-critic-fears-for-his-life/

Hockertz is an immunologist and toxicologist and not only a critic of Germany’s Corona measures but also of the gene injections, which for him represent “gross bodily harm” as Austrian weekly Wochenblick reported.

In March last year, the immunologist stated that Corona was comparable to the flu in terms of danger. His book Generation Maske also caused a sensation, in which he emphasized the harmful effects of wearing masks on children.

A few days ago, all Prof. Hockertz’s accounts were blocked and a garnishee order of 820 000 euros was issued. His lawyers are of the opinion that the tax allegations are groundless. Although it is not customary to arrest suspected tax evaders, Hockertz has decided to leave Germany. “I can no longer live here and certainly no longer work,” he is quoted as saying.

On February 1, 2021, German public broadcaster ARD’s “fact checkers” described a Twitter message from Hockertz as a “completely twisted statement”. In this, Hockertz claimed, referring to a press release from Merck & Co, that the pharmaceutical giant had said that after intensive research it had determined “that it would be better to get the virus and let your immune system work instead of a vaccination”.

Prof. Hockertz fears for his life​

After the house search in June, Prof. Hockertz was “totally in shock,” it was reported, citing sources. His family doctor diagnosed him with post-traumatic stress disorder after the search. He is still unable to work and is afraid that his professional status will be ruined and his wealth will be stolen from him.

Four days ago, Hockertz left Germany in a hurry. Hockertz has also stressed that he was not suicidal, fearing that a “suicide” might be staged to cover up his murder.

The background to the raid-like house search was the suspicion that Hockertz might have evaded taxes.

 

[Übertroon]

We might add to the list, those who taked the vaccines and now regrets it.

Do the people who rushed to get the COVID shot have buyer's remorse?

There are many troubling aspects to the COVID vaccines and the growing mandates for them. Here I'd like to focus on one that is rarely discussed. To begin with, when these unapproved vaccines were first made available to the public on an emerg...

www.americanthinker.com

And one guy in Germany who criticized corona-chan measures fear for his life. https://freewestmedia.com/2021/08/21/german-corona-critic-fears-for-his-life/

Raiding a 61 year old scientist's house over suspected tax evasion is political theater and a threat. Just like in 2019 when the FBI sent 20 armed men to arrest Roger Stone at 4am for witness tampering. This is the sort of people you regularly just give a phone call to if you want them to show up at the nearest police station for a interview

 

[murph]

Way back when the EUA's were handed out, I remember there were reports that some pharma dropped their remaining clinical studies.
Citing something like ethical reasoning, they did not want to give placebos when their product was proven to save the world (or some bullshit like that)

Does anyone have any bookmarks from that time ... I've been searching but the search engines yield nothing (removed or buried)

Here's a report from NPR about the "ethical" decision to offer the Moderna vaccine to the control group (Archive).

 

[borsabil]

The majority of deaths are still happening in the 70+ group, how much is this just nature taking it's course? It will be funny to watch world "leaders" and "experts" basically say what people have been saying about covid its self, it's just oldies that are the most at risk.

What are we seeing in Israel's next door neighbour?

A slight spike in cases, around a fifth of the previous peak

Essentially no one is dying

With 12% of the population vaccinated

Note that that the case fatality rate has remained flat even as case numbers have trended higher. This is not what we were seeing in the other 2 infection spikes.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that testing in the Palestinian territories isn't as widespread as in Israel, so the infection fatality rate is going to be much, much lower.

As soon as it was confirmed from the UK statistics that the Delta strain had a ridiculously low mortality rate we should have stopped the vaccination program immediately.
There is no reason AT ALL to continue to inject people with leaky vaccines for a virus that is less deadly than the seasonal flu.

The pandemic was over by April. Covid had evolved into what all respiratory viruses become, a more infectious but far less virulent disease.
But because we can't leave well the fuck alone we're setting ourselves up for a public health disaster.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Raiding a 61 year old scientist's house over suspected tax evasion is political theater and a threat. Just like in 2019 when the FBI sent 20 armed men to arrest Roger Stone at 4am for witness tampering. This is the sort of people you regularly just give a phone call to if you want them to show up at the nearest police station for a interview

Let's wait and see if that scientist will be "Vince Fosterized" or not.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

If there's always a decent population of unvaxxed/people whose vaxxes are wearing off, and the third world is full of the unvaccinated, it seems like the chances will be low because we'll always have more "Indian strains" that are going to outcompete the more lethal ones.

The massive push for vaccines is mindbogglingly stupid given the actual facts about the virus and the ineffectiveness of vaccines. Hell, people keep wondering why cases are rising lately despite vaccination, it could be because you've converted a sizable portion of the population into asymptomatic superspreaders. That's beyond ironic given the entire rationale for lockdowns, mask mandates, and all of this shit is that asymptomatic spread was a danger, yet most studies prove asymptomatic spread causes only a minority of cases.

Maybe vaccinated people should be forced to wear masks everywhere since they're clearly walking biohazards.

Idea; maybe if you have high fever, dry cough, you feel tired all the time and everything that shouldn't hurt hurts, don't go to fucking work licking doorknobs is still ok tho. I don't care what the fuck it is, you shouldn't be spreading it around.

 

[General Disarray]

Way back when the EUA's were handed out, I remember there were reports that some pharma dropped their remaining clinical studies.
Citing something like ethical reasoning, they did not want to give placebos when their product was proven to save the world (or some bullshit like that)

Does anyone have any bookmarks from that time ... I've been searching but the search engines yield nothing (removed or buried)

I think that's Merck. They stated the efficacy wasn't as good as natural immunity and got into the game late anyway.

Merck Discontinues Development of SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 Vaccine Candidates; Continues Development of Two Investigational Therapeutic Candidates - Merck.com

Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today announced that the company is discontinuing development of its SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 vaccine candidates, V590 and V591, and plans to focus its SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 research strategy and production capabilities on advancing...

www.merck.com

Fact check: Vaccine company did not say it is better to fight COVID-19 than get the vaccine

Facebook users have claimed that pharmaceutical company Merck has said it is better to catch COVID-19 and recover naturally than it is to get vaccinated. This is false. It is a misrepresentation of a statement from Merck.

www.reuters.com

 

[Kramer on the phone]

The majority of deaths are still happening in the 70+ group, how much is this just nature taking it's course? It will be funny to watch world "leaders" and "experts" basically say what people have been saying about covid its self, it's just oldies that are the most at risk.

the problem is that the old people have all the power in the US currently, if covid killed off everyone over 70 in the US within 6 months, 5 of the top 6 picks for president would have been dead before election day, a good quarter of congress would be essentially empty, rendering a lot of legislation fucking impossible to push thorough. all of our best judges especially on the supreme court would be wiped out too, and that doesn't get into the amount of elderly rich that would suddenly get hit with the estate tax. Buffet would be giving the US a nice $100 billion. hell the people we put in charge of this whole shitshow would have died from it, that would be a terrible sign.

also how deadly was swine flu for the over 70, i have a hard time believing it was more deadly than covid.