Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

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Anecdotally most trans-identified females I see online or irl always seem to have really bad anxiety and hate being seen as women. It's a belief that is somewhat out of place in my psyche due to never identifying as any sort of feminist, but I feel very strongly now that women are sexualized way too early in their development. When combined with pressures to conform to stereotypes, this contributes to the mass-trooning of girls we see in schools now, just desperately trying to escape being seen as women. It's the worst tragedy from this whole thing. Seeing the middle aged autogynephiles is gross and offputting, but when I see the vulnerable children their "movement" has molested, I hate how this awful self-destruction is normalized.

Definitely true in my experience. The teenage girl I'm currently watching my idiot friend troon out will have panic attacks upon being referred to as female. It's really hard to separate true anxiety from societally- or family-induced hysteria in them, though, since it's also being reinforced to them constantly at a vulnerable age that they are CONSTANTLY IN DANGER and going to 41% immediately if you ERASE THEIR EXISTENCE by accidentally referring to their girl name or some shit. Girls are so fucking impressionable at that age it's hard to say if the anxiety begets the trooning, or vice versa. It definitely exacerbates it though, at a minimum.
 
If anyone knows a private support group for this (or if you want to talk 1on1 about it), please PM me. There have been some depressing developments with my neet troonlet brother but I don't feel comfortable putting too many details publicly bc he or someone else could find it. The only person I can talk to about this is my mother (gave her the terfpill) but really I need someone I can vent to who isn't directly involved.
 
I was hoping that my sister was finally giving up on the "become smol gay boi uwu" dream and would finally admit that she just has massive anxiety disorder. She's held a regular job, graduated with a bachelors degree, and was looking into getting into grad school. Unfortunately, her (fat) non binary asexual "partner" proposed to her this summer, and she accepted *banghead*.

I've lost most hope that she will ever break free of the cult now. This was her chance to finally break free of just going with the flow and make an actual decision with her life, instead she is now *overjoyed*. Overjoyed to be getting married to a fat cow that changes pronouns every week that has never held a job or been responsible for anything. Now instead of discussing grad school with plans to move to another state she's back to getting a hack job on her tits.

Maybe in another 15 years she'll realize shes been in a loveless lesbian relationship with a landwhale and accomplished dick all in her life.
 
I was hoping that my sister was finally giving up on the "become smol gay boi uwu" dream and would finally admit that she just has massive anxiety disorder. She's held a regular job, graduated with a bachelors degree, and was looking into getting into grad school. Unfortunately, her (fat) non binary asexual "partner" proposed to her this summer, and she accepted *banghead*.

I've lost most hope that she will ever break free of the cult now. This was her chance to finally break free of just going with the flow and make an actual decision with her life, instead she is now *overjoyed*. Overjoyed to be getting married to a fat cow that changes pronouns every week that has never held a job or been responsible for anything. Now instead of discussing grad school with plans to move to another state she's back to getting a hack job on her tits.

Maybe in another 15 years she'll realize shes been in a loveless lesbian relationship with a landwhale and accomplished dick all in her life.
You know, I'm all for gay marriage for obvious reasons, but I always find it funny how people who make a big deal about of being "queer" and defying gender norms still seem so attracted to the whole proposal/engagement/wedding custom.
 
I was hoping that my sister was finally giving up on the "become smol gay boi uwu" dream and would finally admit that she just has massive anxiety disorder. She's held a regular job, graduated with a bachelors degree, and was looking into getting into grad school. Unfortunately, her (fat) non binary asexual "partner" proposed to her this summer, and she accepted *banghead*.

I've lost most hope that she will ever break free of the cult now. This was her chance to finally break free of just going with the flow and make an actual decision with her life, instead she is now *overjoyed*. Overjoyed to be getting married to a fat cow that changes pronouns every week that has never held a job or been responsible for anything. Now instead of discussing grad school with plans to move to another state she's back to getting a hack job on her tits.

Maybe in another 15 years she'll realize shes been in a loveless lesbian relationship with a landwhale and accomplished dick all in her life.
Does she lives with the said partner? If she does then getting her away temporarily could snap her out of it. Now this isn't guaranteed but do remember this a cult and one of the most effective ways cults work is isolation and continuous flow of propaganda. If you can shake the routine and get between her and the cult leader, she has so much better change of getting out. There are actual quides how to do this effectively by people who have helped families to get their loved one out of cults but to be warned that even they say the members do choose their cult sometimes.
 
I just realised I will probably be losing my best friend of about 7 years to trans bullshit. Although it's not just that. I realised already 2 or 3 years ago that he seemed to be getting into the 0w0 online scene and got a bunch of new online friends who were into MLP and shit. Mind you he's in his late twenties. A while back he put his pronouns on twitter. He's not going TIM (yet) but I saw today that he seems to be in some sort of online relationship with a 'girl' on twitter who, upon checking, of course turns out to be a full ass man?? Not even feminine or anything straight up just a man who goes by she/her. Now I wouldn't give a shit if my friend was gay/bi but come on don't get mixed up with the troons.
 
I miss my best friend so much. We were so close, spent so much time together and bonded over the cards we were dealt in life. The pain dealt to us by the hands of men in our childhoods and adolescence caused us both to experience gender dysphoria. We fantasized normal, healthy relationships larping as gay yaoi uwu boys on the Internet and kept our pronouns close. Soon enough we were both dabbling in cross sex hormones.

Fortunately I put down the koolaid two years ago. Not her.

When I realized the damage the transcult had done to me, I couldn’t bear to watch her do it to herself anymore. It was hurting me so bad. She was no longer going by male pronouns but now demanded everyone to call her by it/its pronouns. Despite her friends validating her I tried to be the voice of reason; this is not going to help you. This is just going to hurt you even more. But she said I was wrong, even health professionals were calling her by her new pronouns and that I just needed to be open minded. No.

I left her without a word. Blocked all of our contacts on social media, her number, etc and cancelled events we were to go together.

Last I saw her she has a beard and probably got her breasts chopped off. I still miss her so much. I wish things could’ve been different but I did what I needed to do for my sake. Call me cruel, I don’t care. I needed to get out with or without her.
 
I miss my best friend so much. We were so close, spent so much time together and bonded over the cards we were dealt in life. The pain dealt to us by the hands of men in our childhoods and adolescence caused us both to experience gender dysphoria. We fantasized normal, healthy relationships larping as gay yaoi uwu boys on the Internet and kept our pronouns close. Soon enough we were both dabbling in cross sex hormones.
That's horrible. I'm really sorry about your friend. I'm glad you got out before it was too late. Sadly she will probably look back one day, and regret making these choices for the wrong reasons. Throwing away your womb and ability to have a child, I cannot even imagine doing it. It makes my blood boil when young women don't get the help they need, all because the troon trend throws women under the bus in so many ways.

It's an absolutely horrifying pattern. There are so many cases of young women experiencing abuse at the hands of men, and then, the therapists see you're rejecting femininity as a way to cope with being abused. But these SJW twisted doctors say "You should become a man!" and are not even considering that the whole problem was never gender dysphoria, but fear of being abused because of your gender.
 
I miss my best friend so much. We were so close, spent so much time together and bonded over the cards we were dealt in life. The pain dealt to us by the hands of men in our childhoods and adolescence caused us both to experience gender dysphoria. We fantasized normal, healthy relationships larping as gay yaoi uwu boys on the Internet and kept our pronouns close. Soon enough we were both dabbling in cross sex hormones.

Fortunately I put down the koolaid two years ago. Not her.

When I realized the damage the transcult had done to me, I couldn’t bear to watch her do it to herself anymore. It was hurting me so bad. She was no longer going by male pronouns but now demanded everyone to call her by it/its pronouns. Despite her friends validating her I tried to be the voice of reason; this is not going to help you. This is just going to hurt you even more. But she said I was wrong, even health professionals were calling her by her new pronouns and that I just needed to be open minded. No.

I left her without a word. Blocked all of our contacts on social media, her number, etc and cancelled events we were to go together.

Last I saw her she has a beard and probably got her breasts chopped off. I still miss her so much. I wish things could’ve been different but I did what I needed to do for my sake. Call me cruel, I don’t care. I needed to get out with or without her.

I'm proud of you for getting out, you're right about needing to leave with or without her. Sadly there are a lot of us in this position of watching a loved one self destruct, and I think there's going to be a lot more of us before this societal cancer dies a death. (:_(

Ultimately though, you can only really control yourself.
 
I miss my best friend so much. We were so close, spent so much time together and bonded over the cards we were dealt in life. The pain dealt to us by the hands of men in our childhoods and adolescence caused us both to experience gender dysphoria. We fantasized normal, healthy relationships larping as gay yaoi uwu boys on the Internet and kept our pronouns close. Soon enough we were both dabbling in cross sex hormones.

Fortunately I put down the koolaid two years ago. Not her.

When I realized the damage the transcult had done to me, I couldn’t bear to watch her do it to herself anymore. It was hurting me so bad. She was no longer going by male pronouns but now demanded everyone to call her by it/its pronouns. Despite her friends validating her I tried to be the voice of reason; this is not going to help you. This is just going to hurt you even more. But she said I was wrong, even health professionals were calling her by her new pronouns and that I just needed to be open minded. No.

I left her without a word. Blocked all of our contacts on social media, her number, etc and cancelled events we were to go together.

Last I saw her she has a beard and probably got her breasts chopped off. I still miss her so much. I wish things could’ve been different but I did what I needed to do for my sake. Call me cruel, I don’t care. I needed to get out with or without her.
That’s the real sickening part of all of this, it’s all child abuse. People are just having a hard time dealing with things that they don’t understand. It’s understandable that it’s impossible to be a boy or a girl if you are being abused. Do you understand that when you are in that kind of situation you can’t express yourself? You CANT be who you are so you have to create a fake persona like a mask and keep the innocent hurt child inside.
 
Not really a close friend, but a guty
I miss my best friend so much. We were so close, spent so much time together and bonded over the cards we were dealt in life. The pain dealt to us by the hands of men in our childhoods and adolescence caused us both to experience gender dysphoria. We fantasized normal, healthy relationships larping as gay yaoi uwu boys on the Internet and kept our pronouns close. Soon enough we were both dabbling in cross sex hormones.

Fortunately I put down the koolaid two years ago. Not her.

When I realized the damage the transcult had done to me, I couldn’t bear to watch her do it to herself anymore. It was hurting me so bad. She was no longer going by male pronouns but now demanded everyone to call her by it/its pronouns. Despite her friends validating her I tried to be the voice of reason; this is not going to help you. This is just going to hurt you even more. But she said I was wrong, even health professionals were calling her by her new pronouns and that I just needed to be open minded. No.

I left her without a word. Blocked all of our contacts on social media, her number, etc and cancelled events we were to go together.

Last I saw her she has a beard and probably got her breasts chopped off. I still miss her so much. I wish things could’ve been different but I did what I needed to do for my sake. Call me cruel, I don’t care. I needed to get out with or without her.
I hope my sister is as smart as you are on this.
 
I wish our detractors could see this thread. Most of our threads are laughing at cows but you can really feel both the hurt and the empathy here.

I've had a few friends transition. It's different from when you meet people who transitioned before you met them. There's such a personality change. I've got mates who are trans and they seem to have stabilised before I met them - but the ones I knew before transitioning? Well I was always supportive of their transition back then because I'd been drinking the kool aid. Two are dead by their own hands, and another died of a drug overdose (but I suspect he did it on purpose).

I had one other friend who transitioned before I met him. I ran into him a couple years later and didn't recognise him as he'd detransitioned. Turns out that his dysphoria was just his (very mild comparatively) borderline personality disorder - once he started going to specialist therapy, it cleared up. But his name and legal gender had already been changed and so it's a nightmare for him. At least he didn't get the surgery.

The only people I can really talk to about it are my mates who have never really met any LGBT people. Trying to talk to anyone in the "community" about my concerns would be social suicide. Especially because I have trans friends. Some of them seem fine, but some of them seem very unwell.
 
I still miss her so much. I wish things could’ve been different but I did what I needed to do for my sake. Call me cruel, I don’t care. I needed to get out with or without her.
Thanks for being so honest and sharing this.

Some powerlevel revealed due to some shared experiences: I'm a neuroatypical female with a history of male violence in the family. I was raised by two generations of women who, while escaping generational violence, kept intense religious belifs and discipline while studying and working hard to get out of poverty in an underdeveloped country. I was what people call 'high-fuctioning' but that brought a lot of distress and isolation. I was never in the right social attitude to be safe AND myself at the same time: the scarce female traits had to be even more hated upon cause they put me in danger, and the male ones I 'embodied' (and among poor societies, that is as simple as being able to reason, to make a question, to read or being introspective) made me an object of hate from girls and boys. Being a woman felt at best as something unknown, and at worst, at something that made me weak.

I didn't jump on trans mania probably because I'm a little older than internet generation, but mainly because my caretakers were the most powerful influence in my life: they had the exact same traits (including neuroatypicity), but grew up without internet, in a still rural world. Despite the hardships they endured, they didn't have propaganda and porn pushing a lie as a model neither gender theory pretending to be a reasonable way out of the first alternative. As I heard once: they grew up in a world where adult women - Gloria Swason, Bette Davies, Katherine Hepburn - were still on screens. Adult women were normal to people. Still, gladly, screens were not the only way to see world. Most part of it was not hypnotized yet.

After the right diagnose and treatment and after cultivating a spiritual life, I feel like inhabiting my body and being alive for the first time. I don't feel like a girl, but I feel like myself. I allow myself to be honest (as you can see from this GAY testimonial) and people respect that (or laugh and judge at my back, which is great: no concrete obstacle in my life arises from this). Adult life is better than any gender life. Still, I felt some kind of distress and after studying a lot of Jungian psychology, many answers were found. I understand people who are suspicious of that, but I share what worked for me. Identifying animus-posession (which arises from healthy male absence of unhealthy male presence) and the never ending criticism (low self-esteem and self-hate) it entails until you solve it and finding a source of mitology about female heroic journey made me learn how to be resilient without armoring, how to be productive without hiding myself, how to be generous and soft while comunicating strong boundries. All of this long text was to conduct to this moment.

In Eros and Pshyche story, Aphrodite gives Psyche some tasks in order to allow her to marry her son Eros. The last task is the most difficult: she must bring a box located in the Hades to Aphrodite. The risk is getting caught there. Psyche is terrified. She meets Persephone, daughter of Demeter (goddess of hunt), who was kidnapped and married to Hades/Pluto, becoming queen of the Underworld. Her archetypal journey is interesting itself: from the depths of impotence (her hunter mother impaled her development through overprotection, what is also seen in Diana/Wonder Woman in relationship to her mother, and that I experienced it myself) and abuse, she becomes a respected and peaceful woman as she learns to deal with evil and is not afraid of it anymore: when she cannot avoid it, she still can command and discipline the caos inevitable to live.

Persephone tells Psyche: You want to get out of here? Then you must go though it without empathy for the souls that are condemned. As you walk, they will make an obnouxious sound. Don't turn to them.
The only way you get out of hell is by not listening to the whining. In a woman to woman conversation, the hell specialist told Psyche to purge empathy for people who had a chance at life but condemned themselves there. Empathy can be used against us by the ones who have no empathy anymore - because they are already dead or decided to die. Help the ones who are alive. From there, you can make productive effort so that other people do not enter hell.
If Psyche stops to 'help' (which means: watch them whine - they can't get out anyway, and misery loves company/attention, as most people who demand help without acting on their problems demonstrate), she will be one more dead and nothing changes for the condemned.
Women NEED urgently to learn how to have a functional and rational empathy - exactly as you are being able to do, after so much pain and who knows with how little help, in your hero journey. That's not easy and some people never even try.

(some other stuff happens: its is from 'Amor and Psyche', from Erich Neumann, that helps not only in undestanding the female hero tasks but also to overcome mother enemeshment, so it made huge differece in my life)

I wish you feel confident and peaceful about your decision. You did the right thing,
 
Damn, this thread is way heavier than i thought it'd be. Just goes to show how damaging this push for trans normalcy is, especially when the technology to actually make it happen is simply not there, if it is even possible to do so in the first place.
Oh, nobody will listen to us! We hate our family members and literally just want them to die! Lol, that’s how egotistical trannies are; they can’t step back for even a fucking second to get a better picture. Just me me me me me. They don’t give a fuck how anyone else feels.
 
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