Orbiter 🏳️‍🌈🐱 Nick Fuentes / Nicholas Joseph Fuentes / der America First Pürrer / "Nick the Knife" - CatboyKami's ex. Flipped fed asset after January 6th. Groypers are pardoned for January 6th, still a fag. Kept Ali Akbar, brown muslim boy-hungry pedophile, around groypers knowing what he was. Hates white women more than blacks and jews.

The reason Nick's ideas seem to be so incomprehensible is he wants to be two things at once: an entertainer, and a serious political movement leader. The problem is he is not mature enough to know how to do both successfully, so while he may make some decent points/statements politically, it is ruined when he makes 'cookie jokes' or talks about 'no e-girls ever'. I think this shift came about when he realized that his initial serious political movement wasn't working, so he shifted to be more entertaining, based on his watching youtube political commentators on youtube, probably a notable one being Sam Hyde. The difference is, Sam is basically a pure entertainer with occasional political insights; he wanted to be like Sam, while also being a movement leader. This doesn't work, and he isn't nearly experienced or smart enough to make both work at once.

Ideologically, his Christianity mostly serves as a crutch for him to lean on as he attacks women. His conception of traditional attitudes toward women conveniently leaves out the traditional symbolism of women as the bearers of wisdom, spirituality, and universal power, and the importance of unity between man and woman rather than enmity.
The idea of women being a bearer of 'wisdom, spirituality, and universal power' is not really substantiated in Christian tradition at all. The early church and especially Catholicism today is explicitly patriarchal, so much so that women still aren't allowed to be deacons. Women's role in teaching tradition, etc. is officially extremely limited, and the idea that women should be the spiritual leaders in the home, for example, is a modern feminist invention. Men were, and are supposed to be explicitly the religious leaders in their home and the church. If that isn't the case in Catholicism today, that is a fault of the church not teaching correctly, men for not leading, and women for supplanting the role of men.

I would say that NIck doesn't actually hate women, he just wants to be edgy. Problem is, it is very difficult to be edgy and simultaneously be a serious political movement leader, especially when your edginess is against women in general.
 
This is a pretty old post but it brings up something worth responding to in general. His politics and reasoning are really dreadful and about what you'd expect from a grifter. Ideologically it's actually pretty hard for me to figure out what Nick actually believes. He seems to profess paleocon ideas, but his actions consistently contradict them. I have nothing better to do right now, so I guess I'll go through some of the issues I've noticed over the years with his ideas/reasoning.

On one hand, Nick believes in democracy and liberal values such as individual liberty, on the other, he wants women to be compelled into subservience a la theocracy. Occasionally he'll dip into reactionary politics. I recall him saying on his show before that there was no political solution, which is a pretty logical conclusion after one witnesses the events of the 2020 election and the utter incapability or unwillingness of Trump throughout his entire term to effectively combat progressivism, the American regime change/spy apparatus, the entropy of academia, and racial conflict. At this point, there's no guarantee that conservatives could ever fairly win an election again, let alone a truly anti-establishment candidate.

So what does Nick do after having made the same realization as everyone else on the DR? He decides to enter democratic politics. I was floored by that. Either this guy is dumb as rocks, which is possible, or he's just grifting his fanbase, which is more likely. His potpourri blend of contradictory political philosophies is proof enough. He's also kind of a chameleon. When Casey was still orbiting him he seemed to be more amenable to neoreactionary ideas of the Bertrand De Jouvenel/Moldbug sort. After he was kicked to the curb it seems like Nick's gone full bore democratist. He flip flops on his opinion of Trump -- today he's sore and disappointed at Trump's frequent betrayals and incompetencies, but tomorrow he gushes praise for him and paints him as a king.

Another strategic inconsistency that Nick possesses concerns optics. As the idea goes, to succeed politically as a dissident, you need to avoid PR blunders and to avoid associations made with numerous public enemies, like nazis, communists, and so on. The system will use every excuse to attack and smear dissidents, so it's logical to not give them any ammunition. This is sensible, if a bit naïve. So how dedicated is he to optics? Dedicated enough to praise Michelle Malkin on stage but to assert on his show that women shouldn't enter politics. Dedicated enough to surround himself with Jews in his inner circle while making thinly veiled holocaust denial jokes. Dedicated enough to imply that his supporters should kill government officials at rallies. Why does he think the FBI is investigating him? For no reason? The guy fedposted at an unlawful assembly, huge optics failure. He decries the disaster that happened at Charlottesville, but keeps showing up to retard rallies. It's unbelievable how dull he is. His dedication to optics is the same as Chantelle's attitude toward salads -- like you can double dip and still lose weight.

Nick's ideological interest, if he has any, is plainly superficial. He's jumped on a few bandwagons in the past, for example, when Evola became popular around 2018 on /pol/ he bought a copy of Revolt and started to read it. Things could have gone well for him and he may have learned something new for once, but I guess Evola's view of Italy is sadly correct: There are Romans, and then there are spaghetti-eaters. Nick is a spaghetti-eater. He couldn't understand it, so he wasn't even really able to grift on its basis. If he did understand it, he could have formed a traditional basis for the restoration of Christianity in mind that has nothing to do with "paganism." Evola paid special attention to the investiture crisis, viewing it as a demarcation of the fall of traditional Christianity in the west. His ideal was that leaders, as they did before the rise of papal authority, should have final spiritual authority as well as state authority. After the victory of the Guelph faction during the crisis, this spiritual authority was ceded to the papacy, and the state became more secular over time. Evola emphasizes that these functions should be one, otherwise the state begins to neglect spiritual values entirely, as would occur during the rise of Napoleon and during the enlightenment. The passive-feminine values of the priestly caste thereafter begin to predominate, leading society eventually to universalistic democracy. This theory shouldn't be objectionable to someone who wants to bring the same authoritarian Christianity responsible for the crusades back. That he didn't ever mention this part and sort of handwaved the book away as "pagan" demonstrates a real dearth of intellect.

Another note about his superficiality: Nick used to be an establishment conservative in high school and ran a pathetic podcast with dismal viewership. When Trump's campaign was in its infancy, he was fervently against Trump on the basis of image, that he was "unpresidential," a stock criticism I'd normally expect from a narcissistic woman or journalist. After it became clear the movement was enormously popular on the right (there's something to gain from parasitically attaching to it) he changed his mind almost instantly. Nick believes whatever is necessary to believe in order to maintain his cultic popularity. He's admitted in the past that he runs his movement like a cult, which he immediately backtracked after letting it slip.

So then, what about Nick's Christianity? How seriously does he take his faith, and what ideological role does it play? Like everything else about his persona, his faith seems superficial. I can't read his mind so I don't know how pious he is in private, but there's been a persistent rumor that he rarely ever goes to mass. Despite being a diehard catholic, which was historically a religious development out of primitive Christianity which sprang from 2nd Temple Judaism, he's anti-Semitic. This is clear contradiction of the faith. Jesus was a rabbi and probably racially Jewish. Christianity is an Abrahamic religion, i.e. it shares in the revelation given to a Jewish prophet of an impending apocalypse, it shares the same soteriology and the same materializing tendencies (although to a lesser extent.) He cannot possibly ignore the fact that he, a European male, is worshipping a foreign desert religion forked from the Jews whilst proclaiming to be both a nationalist and a critic of "Judeo-Christianity." Further, despite being a public critic of homosexuality, which he calls sodomy, he hangs out with probable pedophile sodomites like Catboy Kami and Milo Yiannopoulos. People tend to share some similarity with the company that they keep, so what gives? If he were really consistent with his faith, he wouldn't even hang out with these guys, let alone praise them publicly.

In the realm of politics, his Catholicism interferes with his nationalism. This is an unexplored topic for Nick it seems, because every American Catholic must face up to the reality that the fiercest Catholics aren't even white. Centuries of Catholic colonialism, miscegenation, and conversion have made hordes of low IQ 56%ers who are just as "Catholic" as the white people who founded America and who are afforded no less dignity under the universalistic and quasi-humanistic system of Christianity. All Christian nationalism exists in contradiction with the faith -- holding racial exclusivity constitutes race idolatry, which is against the catechism. All races are "children of God" the same, no matter their qualifications, no matter how much violence they cause in the streets, no matter how jealous they may be, or how high the crime rate grows. If you ask me, it's only a matter of time before "nationalist" Nick rebukes the volk altogether and becomes an unironic mestizo sympathizer rather than an ironic one.

Ideologically, his Christianity mostly serves as a crutch for him to lean on as he attacks women. His conception of traditional attitudes toward women conveniently leaves out the traditional symbolism of women as the bearers of wisdom, spirituality, and universal power, and the importance of unity between man and woman rather than enmity. Within Christianity there's good evidence that unity between the sexes is an important spiritual goal, i.e. Adam was an androgyne before the fall "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created." Traditional sources in general make it clear that men and women have different traits as a consequence of this division post-fall. Women are emotional, chaotic, and prone to desire, but also wise, nurturing, and spiritualistic. This poses an issue for Nick, who seems torn between traditional views and inceldom. On one hand, Nick wants to revive the traditional view of women and their role as counterparts to men. But on the other, he resents them for being differentiated -- his ideal girlfriend is an autistic male who reasons about things rather than empathizing. But in the same light, he wants women to have virtually zero freedom to engage with ideas. He infantilizes them in a way no one in traditional society would have. Even in traditional societies, women were important and held elevated positions. Kingdoms had queens and every now and then a queen could take rulership, aristocracies had dignified ladies who legitimized titles and played an important role. This cartoonish incel-based hatred of women is totally inconsistent with his ideas.

His failure to recognize the following is bizarre: 50% of the population are women and they have the right to vote. You cannot win elections while publicly proclaiming that women should not enter politics. Contrary to what Nick has stated on his show, women DO actually support right wing political movements. 50% of white women voted for Trump in 2016. In fascist Spain, hundreds of thousands of women supported the mostly Catholic Falange. In the UK, Oswald Mosley's blackshirt movement accepted female membership and was rather popular among them. Leftists of the period held the same attitude Nick currently has toward women since they were joining fascist movements -- they went as far as to argue against women's suffrage because it was advantageous to fascists. None of his women hatred is supported by evidence, on top of being ideologically contradictory.

To put it concisely, Nick believes in a casserole of contradictory political theories that he swaps in and out as his audience demands. His understanding of them is always simplistic and/or superficial, which we might expect from either a retard or a narcissist. He's a poor catholic and an even poorer politician. He's never held a genuine view in his life, much less a genuine woman.
Nick justifies the holes and contradictions in his beliefs by calling himself a pragmatist, even though he is nowhere near pragmatic enough to work with or support other white advocates and dismisses most people in dissident politics as "wignats" (mostly in a vain attempt at convincing his followers that only he has the solution). It doesn't help that he was groomed by ironybros like Fagson Fagly
 
The reason Nick's ideas seem to be so incomprehensible is he wants to be two things at once: an entertainer, and a serious political movement leader. The problem is he is not mature enough to know how to do both successfully, so while he may make some decent points/statements politically, it is ruined when he makes 'cookie jokes' or talks about 'no e-girls ever'. I think this shift came about when he realized that his initial serious political movement wasn't working, so he shifted to be more entertaining, based on his watching youtube political commentators on youtube, probably a notable one being Sam Hyde. The difference is, Sam is basically a pure entertainer with occasional political insights; he wanted to be like Sam, while also being a movement leader. This doesn't work, and he isn't nearly experienced or smart enough to make both work at once.


The idea of women being a bearer of 'wisdom, spirituality, and universal power' is not really substantiated in Christian tradition at all. The early church and especially Catholicism today is explicitly patriarchal, so much so that women still aren't allowed to be deacons. Women's role in teaching tradition, etc. is officially extremely limited, and the idea that women should be the spiritual leaders in the home, for example, is a modern feminist invention. Men were, and are supposed to be explicitly the religious leaders in their home and the church. If that isn't the case in Catholicism today, that is a fault of the church not teaching correctly, men for not leading, and women for supplanting the role of men.

I would say that NIck doesn't actually hate women, he just wants to be edgy. Problem is, it is very difficult to be edgy and simultaneously be a serious political movement leader, especially when your edginess is against women in general.
You're misunderstanding the symbolism. Patriarchy and the dominance of men is a pretty universal truth among integral traditions; but symbolically, wisdom (and thus power) is associated with women because they possess a kind of potency that man alone does not have fully in himself. You can think about this in terms of egg/seed symbolism -- the egg contains the potency of creation while the seed constitutes the will that actualizes it. In this case, the power that woman possesses on her own is chaotic, it is merely the possibility of creation. It is the task of the man to center the power and direct it toward productive ends.

In the Christian tradition itself, there are a number of points of reference we can draw from that confirm the correspondences. First of all, the mystery of the immaculate conception. Mary bore Christ in her womb, effectively prefiguring the incarnation of the word of God. The importance of Mary is the possibility of the word made flesh. Proverbs 9:1 is often taken to imply this: "Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars." It was common in the middle ages to depict Hagia Sophia (holy wisdom) as a woman in iconography. The association of women with water is rather universal, and considering that the rite of baptism occurs through the holy spirit, and that the holy spirit is associated with wisdom, it all lines up. The divine feminine as a symbol for wisdom is certainly true in the Grail legend, considering the grail itself is a feminine symbol (a vessel that holds something, i.e. passive reception) and confers divine wisdom onto the worthy hero who unites with it. Women bear the grail and gatekeep it from the unworthy, reinforcing the symbolic correspondence.

This isn't to say that women ought to be leaders, or even clergy; but rather that, on a symbolic level, the divine feminine is equally as important as the divine masculine, and to resent one is effectively to resent all of creation. It would be a terrible sacrilege to be resentful of women.

Maybe he really is just being facetious, but the way in which Nick blends comedy with his actual honest to god positions on politics makes it pretty much impossible to tell when he's joking or not, and I think it's intentional, like a persuasion tactic. Nick says so much insane shit that it's mindboggling; for example, what about the trap question thing? He spent a couple of minutes coping for "straight" men who bang trannies, trotting out the obvious copes. "You know, it's 2019, with women being the way they are, it's a little different." Was that a joke? Was he serious? We can only judge from his actions, and this "joke" evidently coincided with him going on a thinly veiled date with a cross dressing catboy, oh, and the catboy channel in his discord, his persistent tranny chasing, etc. etc. and there are many more examples of this behavior. The cookie question as well. What does Nick think about the holocaust? He's said it "probably happened," a statement that sits the fence so hard it barely even qualifies as fence sitting, since merely thinking about circumventing the fence at all on holocaust denial is tantamount to denying it in the eyes of the powers that be. But, the statement is elusive enough to fool conservatives. Is Nick, as his normiecon followers believe, "not a nazi?" We don't fucking know! He's gotten the worst of both worlds if he isn't. He tacitly denies the holocaust while believing in it secretly and surrounding himself with Jews to do his accountant work. You'd have to try to actively try to get yourself into such a dumb rhetorical position.

But what can we make of his political ambiguities? Maybe they can be defensible if the stakes are low, it doesn't really matter in political terms how good a Catholic he is. since no one really gives a fuck about religion anymore and it's rather divisive on the right. Is his attempt at infotainment to blame? I don't think so. What part of "there's no political solution" is funny? It's a pretty dry statement. But also, Nick creating non-profit organizations in Delaware from some shady town house to prepare for his democratic electioneering seems pretty serious as well, even if it's contradictory w/ the statement "there is no political solution." This also doesn't explain his chameleon routine with regard to Trump, the way he copies his body language and idiosyncrasies, etc.

Similarly to the above, we can't possibly know his real views on women. He did a presentation once with a whiteboard where he pointed out what I did, that men and women are traditionally counterparts to each other with differentiations in behavior; but his actions don't reflect the presentation at all. He's spent some time on camera chastising random women on the street and in malls while they were doing prefectly normal feminine things like shopping and socializing, secretly filming them and criticizing them behind their backs. He's tried to T-pose on them, he thinks random girls out in the mall are whores, it's pretty clear to me from this behavior that he really, genuinely resents women and has a pretty delusional internalization of femininity, as if the only ideal woman is an autistic man.

I think it's more than abundantly clear that he's manipulative, not just inept. He loves to make vague statements when in the hot seat, and changes his opinions based on who's around him. He seems to be taking Trump's advice in the Art of the Deal seriously, which is to say, how to pilpul your way to financial success. This is the same petty Machiavellian behavior Sargon tried to pull off after he read Rules for Radicals once, we're gonna see the same narrative arc unfold, just on a larger scale.
 
This is a pretty old post but it brings up something worth responding to in general. His politics and reasoning are really dreadful and about what you'd expect from a grifter. Ideologically it's actually pretty hard for me to figure out what Nick actually believes. He seems to profess paleocon ideas, but his actions consistently contradict them. I have nothing better to do right now, so I guess I'll go through some of the issues I've noticed over the years with his ideas/reasoning.

On one hand, Nick believes in democracy and liberal values such as individual liberty, on the other, he wants women to be compelled into subservience a la theocracy. Occasionally he'll dip into reactionary politics. I recall him saying on his show before that there was no political solution, which is a pretty logical conclusion after one witnesses the events of the 2020 election and the utter incapability or unwillingness of Trump throughout his entire term to effectively combat progressivism, the American regime change/spy apparatus, the entropy of academia, and racial conflict. At this point, there's no guarantee that conservatives could ever fairly win an election again, let alone a truly anti-establishment candidate.

So what does Nick do after having made the same realization as everyone else on the DR? He decides to enter democratic politics. I was floored by that. Either this guy is dumb as rocks, which is possible, or he's just grifting his fanbase, which is more likely. His potpourri blend of contradictory political philosophies is proof enough. He's also kind of a chameleon. When Casey was still orbiting him he seemed to be more amenable to neoreactionary ideas of the Bertrand De Jouvenel/Moldbug sort. After he was kicked to the curb it seems like Nick's gone full bore democratist. He flip flops on his opinion of Trump -- today he's sore and disappointed at Trump's frequent betrayals and incompetencies, but tomorrow he gushes praise for him and paints him as a king.

Another strategic inconsistency that Nick possesses concerns optics. As the idea goes, to succeed politically as a dissident, you need to avoid PR blunders and to avoid associations made with numerous public enemies, like nazis, communists, and so on. The system will use every excuse to attack and smear dissidents, so it's logical to not give them any ammunition. This is sensible, if a bit naïve. So how dedicated is he to optics? Dedicated enough to praise Michelle Malkin on stage but to assert on his show that women shouldn't enter politics. Dedicated enough to surround himself with Jews in his inner circle while making thinly veiled holocaust denial jokes. Dedicated enough to imply that his supporters should kill government officials at rallies. Why does he think the FBI is investigating him? For no reason? The guy fedposted at an unlawful assembly, huge optics failure. He decries the disaster that happened at Charlottesville, but keeps showing up to retard rallies. It's unbelievable how dull he is. His dedication to optics is the same as Chantelle's attitude toward salads -- like you can double dip and still lose weight.

Nick's ideological interest, if he has any, is plainly superficial. He's jumped on a few bandwagons in the past, for example, when Evola became popular around 2018 on /pol/ he bought a copy of Revolt and started to read it. Things could have gone well for him and he may have learned something new for once, but I guess Evola's view of Italy is sadly correct: There are Romans, and then there are spaghetti-eaters. Nick is a spaghetti-eater. He couldn't understand it, so he wasn't even really able to grift on its basis. If he did understand it, he could have formed a traditional basis for the restoration of Christianity in mind that has nothing to do with "paganism." Evola paid special attention to the investiture crisis, viewing it as a demarcation of the fall of traditional Christianity in the west. His ideal was that leaders, as they did before the rise of papal authority, should have final spiritual authority as well as state authority. After the victory of the Guelph faction during the crisis, this spiritual authority was ceded to the papacy, and the state became more secular over time. Evola emphasizes that these functions should be one, otherwise the state begins to neglect spiritual values entirely, as would occur during the rise of Napoleon and during the enlightenment. The passive-feminine values of the priestly caste thereafter begin to predominate, leading society eventually to universalistic democracy. This theory shouldn't be objectionable to someone who wants to bring the same authoritarian Christianity responsible for the crusades back. That he didn't ever mention this part and sort of handwaved the book away as "pagan" demonstrates a real dearth of intellect.

Another note about his superficiality: Nick used to be an establishment conservative in high school and ran a pathetic podcast with dismal viewership. When Trump's campaign was in its infancy, he was fervently against Trump on the basis of image, that he was "unpresidential," a stock criticism I'd normally expect from a narcissistic woman or journalist. After it became clear the movement was enormously popular on the right (there's something to gain from parasitically attaching to it) he changed his mind almost instantly. Nick believes whatever is necessary to believe in order to maintain his cultic popularity. He's admitted in the past that he runs his movement like a cult, which he immediately backtracked after letting it slip.

So then, what about Nick's Christianity? How seriously does he take his faith, and what ideological role does it play? Like everything else about his persona, his faith seems superficial. I can't read his mind so I don't know how pious he is in private, but there's been a persistent rumor that he rarely ever goes to mass. Despite being a diehard catholic, which was historically a religious development out of primitive Christianity which sprang from 2nd Temple Judaism, he's anti-Semitic. This is clear contradiction of the faith. Jesus was a rabbi and probably racially Jewish. Christianity is an Abrahamic religion, i.e. it shares in the revelation given to a Jewish prophet of an impending apocalypse, it shares the same soteriology and the same materializing tendencies (although to a lesser extent.) He cannot possibly ignore the fact that he, a European male, is worshipping a foreign desert religion forked from the Jews whilst proclaiming to be both a nationalist and a critic of "Judeo-Christianity." Further, despite being a public critic of homosexuality, which he calls sodomy, he hangs out with probable pedophile sodomites like Catboy Kami and Milo Yiannopoulos. People tend to share some similarity with the company that they keep, so what gives? If he were really consistent with his faith, he wouldn't even hang out with these guys, let alone praise them publicly.

In the realm of politics, his Catholicism interferes with his nationalism. This is an unexplored topic for Nick it seems, because every American Catholic must face up to the reality that the fiercest Catholics aren't even white. Centuries of Catholic colonialism, miscegenation, and conversion have made hordes of low IQ 56%ers who are just as "Catholic" as the white people who founded America and who are afforded no less dignity under the universalistic and quasi-humanistic system of Christianity. All Christian nationalism exists in contradiction with the faith -- holding racial exclusivity constitutes race idolatry, which is against the catechism. All races are "children of God" the same, no matter their qualifications, no matter how much violence they cause in the streets, no matter how jealous they may be, or how high the crime rate grows. If you ask me, it's only a matter of time before "nationalist" Nick rebukes the volk altogether and becomes an unironic mestizo sympathizer rather than an ironic one.

Ideologically, his Christianity mostly serves as a crutch for him to lean on as he attacks women. His conception of traditional attitudes toward women conveniently leaves out the traditional symbolism of women as the bearers of wisdom, spirituality, and universal power, and the importance of unity between man and woman rather than enmity. Within Christianity there's good evidence that unity between the sexes is an important spiritual goal, i.e. Adam was an androgyne before the fall "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created." Traditional sources in general make it clear that men and women have different traits as a consequence of this division post-fall. Women are emotional, chaotic, and prone to desire, but also wise, nurturing, and spiritualistic. This poses an issue for Nick, who seems torn between traditional views and inceldom. On one hand, Nick wants to revive the traditional view of women and their role as counterparts to men. But on the other, he resents them for being differentiated -- his ideal girlfriend is an autistic male who reasons about things rather than empathizing. But in the same light, he wants women to have virtually zero freedom to engage with ideas. He infantilizes them in a way no one in traditional society would have. Even in traditional societies, women were important and held elevated positions. Kingdoms had queens and every now and then a queen could take rulership, aristocracies had dignified ladies who legitimized titles and played an important role. This cartoonish incel-based hatred of women is totally inconsistent with his ideas.

His failure to recognize the following is bizarre: 50% of the population are women and they have the right to vote. You cannot win elections while publicly proclaiming that women should not enter politics. Contrary to what Nick has stated on his show, women DO actually support right wing political movements. 50% of white women voted for Trump in 2016. In fascist Spain, hundreds of thousands of women supported the mostly Catholic Falange. In the UK, Oswald Mosley's blackshirt movement accepted female membership and was rather popular among them. Leftists of the period held the same attitude Nick currently has toward women since they were joining fascist movements -- they went as far as to argue against women's suffrage because it was advantageous to fascists. None of his women hatred is supported by evidence, on top of being ideologically contradictory.

To put it concisely, Nick believes in a casserole of contradictory political theories that he swaps in and out as his audience demands. His understanding of them is always simplistic and/or superficial, which we might expect from either a retard or a narcissist. He's a poor catholic and an even poorer politician. He's never held a genuine view in his life, much less a genuine woman.
Kinda lost me on calling Nick European and Catholicism being Jewish and non nationalist. While the modern Church is cucked, this hasn’t historically been the case. It’s no more Jewish than Islam, which has a similar genesis. Christianity has been European influenced for so long it holds little in common with other Semitic religions, save monotheistic beliefs. Early churches were very nationalist, and still are in many Eastern rite Catholic spheres, where nationhood and religion are closely tied. The Spanish were particularly bad about ‘lol everyone is equal in Christianity’ when colonizing the west, and sadly their hot take on Catholicism is the prevailing mindset due to their legacy of mutts like Nick.

Otherwise great analysis.

Edit for added autistic thought: Personally I predict a wider schism soon to come for the Latin Rite. Pope Francis is from the Latino world, his allegiance is there, making him more sympathetic to the social ills of things like ‘refugees’ and migration, which can turn nations ‘Catholic’ at the expense of replacing established communities. Many cardinals, all the way down to parish priests, are getting weary of him. The new decree on Latin mass is only pushing people farther away. I wouldn’t be surprised to see groups like SSPX begin to gain traction over the mainstream church.
 
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I oppose Nick being censored from Twitter because I oppose Big Tech censorship on principle, even though Nick himself has no principles. PPP's take of "just move to alt platforms bro, they don't succeed because you don't use them" (while he stays making content almost exclusively on Youtube) is also dumb, for the same reason "Just make your own internet bro" is.

But Nick's incessant whining about the ban does expose one thing: America First has no IRL base (in fact one might call it un-based and cringe). It's another bullshit internet-only movement like the Liberalists or IDW, whose feeble presence in meatspace isn't organic at all. AFPACs are held for no other reason than it's what they think the big boys do - no "action" or plan of action occurs at these conferences. If you walked the streets outside of that Orlando venue and took a survey of random people, they might agree with the statement "America First" but would have no idea who Nick Fuentes is or what his movement is.

If you went into flyover Trump-country, Charles Murray's "Fishtowns", a traditional church, or just any group of young white working or middle class men (that right flank of Trump voters the dissident right considers as its untapped potential base for reactionary populist nationalism) you'd be met with the same confused shrugs. If Nick had grassroots, his movement could survive without social media, but he doesn't, so it doesn't. The movement, as it exists, is a clutch of groupchats full of dumb kids who will move on to something else and people who already agreed with Nick before joining.

The ostensible mission of AF is to "redpill the normies", i.e. create a popular movement as an alternative to useless mainstream conservatism that becomes so large the GOP can no longer ignore it and has to play ball with Nick's radical cadre. But nobody really knows who the fuck Nick is, and he hasn't demonstrated he has anything material to offer them as any radical cadre needs to do.

I guarantee Nick looks down upon normie whites in the same way William Luther Pierce and the Vanguardists of WN 1.0 did, as "lemmings" who aren’t worth persuading because they don't think for themselves and respond to power + satisfaction of base needs rather than high ideals (because a true aristocrat of the soul worries about autistic ideological slapfights rather than whether or not his family can eat). But Nick: You want the lemmings to follow you, right? Is there a single reason they would? lolno.
 
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You're misunderstanding the symbolism. Patriarchy and the dominance of men is a pretty universal truth among integral traditions; but symbolically, wisdom (and thus power) is associated with women because they possess a kind of potency that man alone does not have fully in himself. You can think about this in terms of egg/seed symbolism -- the egg contains the potency of creation while the seed constitutes the will that actualizes it. In this case, the power that woman possesses on her own is chaotic, it is merely the possibility of creation. It is the task of the man to center the power and direct it toward productive ends.

In the Christian tradition itself, there are a number of points of reference we can draw from that confirm the correspondences. First of all, the mystery of the immaculate conception. Mary bore Christ in her womb, effectively prefiguring the incarnation of the word of God. The importance of Mary is the possibility of the word made flesh. Proverbs 9:1 is often taken to imply this: "Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars." It was common in the middle ages to depict Hagia Sophia (holy wisdom) as a woman in iconography. The association of women with water is rather universal, and considering that the rite of baptism occurs through the holy spirit, and that the holy spirit is associated with wisdom, it all lines up. The divine feminine as a symbol for wisdom is certainly true in the Grail legend, considering the grail itself is a feminine symbol (a vessel that holds something, i.e. passive reception) and confers divine wisdom onto the worthy hero who unites with it. Women bear the grail and gatekeep it from the unworthy, reinforcing the symbolic correspondence.

This isn't to say that women ought to be leaders, or even clergy; but rather that, on a symbolic level, the divine feminine is equally as important as the divine masculine, and to resent one is effectively to resent all of creation. It would be a terrible sacrilege to be resentful of women.

Maybe he really is just being facetious, but the way in which Nick blends comedy with his actual honest to god positions on politics makes it pretty much impossible to tell when he's joking or not, and I think it's intentional, like a persuasion tactic. Nick says so much insane shit that it's mindboggling; for example, what about the trap question thing? He spent a couple of minutes coping for "straight" men who bang trannies, trotting out the obvious copes. "You know, it's 2019, with women being the way they are, it's a little different." Was that a joke? Was he serious? We can only judge from his actions, and this "joke" evidently coincided with him going on a thinly veiled date with a cross dressing catboy, oh, and the catboy channel in his discord, his persistent tranny chasing, etc. etc. and there are many more examples of this behavior. The cookie question as well. What does Nick think about the holocaust? He's said it "probably happened," a statement that sits the fence so hard it barely even qualifies as fence sitting, since merely thinking about circumventing the fence at all on holocaust denial is tantamount to denying it in the eyes of the powers that be. But, the statement is elusive enough to fool conservatives. Is Nick, as his normiecon followers believe, "not a nazi?" We don't fucking know! He's gotten the worst of both worlds if he isn't. He tacitly denies the holocaust while believing in it secretly and surrounding himself with Jews to do his accountant work. You'd have to try to actively try to get yourself into such a dumb rhetorical position.

But what can we make of his political ambiguities? Maybe they can be defensible if the stakes are low, it doesn't really matter in political terms how good a Catholic he is. since no one really gives a fuck about religion anymore and it's rather divisive on the right. Is his attempt at infotainment to blame? I don't think so. What part of "there's no political solution" is funny? It's a pretty dry statement. But also, Nick creating non-profit organizations in Delaware from some shady town house to prepare for his democratic electioneering seems pretty serious as well, even if it's contradictory w/ the statement "there is no political solution." This also doesn't explain his chameleon routine with regard to Trump, the way he copies his body language and idiosyncrasies, etc.

Similarly to the above, we can't possibly know his real views on women. He did a presentation once with a whiteboard where he pointed out what I did, that men and women are traditionally counterparts to each other with differentiations in behavior; but his actions don't reflect the presentation at all. He's spent some time on camera chastising random women on the street and in malls while they were doing prefectly normal feminine things like shopping and socializing, secretly filming them and criticizing them behind their backs. He's tried to T-pose on them, he thinks random girls out in the mall are whores, it's pretty clear to me from this behavior that he really, genuinely resents women and has a pretty delusional internalization of femininity, as if the only ideal woman is an autistic man.

I think it's more than abundantly clear that he's manipulative, not just inept. He loves to make vague statements when in the hot seat, and changes his opinions based on who's around him. He seems to be taking Trump's advice in the Art of the Deal seriously, which is to say, how to pilpul your way to financial success. This is the same petty Machiavellian behavior Sargon tried to pull off after he read Rules for Radicals once, we're gonna see the same narrative arc unfold, just on a larger scale.

I oppose Nick being censored from Twitter because I oppose Big Tech censorship on principle, even though Nick himself has no principles. PPP's take of "just move to alt platforms bro, they don't succeed because you don't use them" (while he stays making content almost exclusively on Youtube) is also dumb, for the same reason "Just make your own internet bro" is.

But Nick's incessant whining about the ban does expose one thing: America First has no IRL base (in fact one might call it un-based and cringe). It's another bullshit internet-only movement like the Liberalists or IDW, whose feeble presence in meatspace isn't organic at all. AFPACs are held for no other reason than it's what they think the big boys do - no "action" or plan of action occurs at these conferences. If you walked the streets outside of that Orlando venue and took a survey of random people, they might agree with the statement "America First" but would have no idea who Nick Fuentes is or what his movement is.

If you went into flyover Trump-country, Charles Murray's "Fishtowns", a traditional church, or just any group of young white working or middle class men (that right flank of Trump voters the dissident right considers as its untapped potential base for reactionary populist nationalism) you'd be met with the same confused shrugs. If Nick had grassroots, his movement could survive without social media, but he doesn't, so it doesn't. The movement, as it exists, is a clutch of groupchats full of dumb kids who will move on to something else and people who already agreed with Nick before joining.

The ostensible mission of AF is to "redpill the normies", i.e. create a popular movement as an alternative to useless mainstream conservatism that becomes so large the GOP can no longer ignore it and has to play ball with Nick's radical cadre. But nobody really knows who the fuck Nick is, and he hasn't demonstrated he has anything material to offer them as any radical cadre needs to do.

I guarantee Nick looks down upon normie whites in the same way William Luther Pierce and the Vanguardists of WN 1.0 did, as "lemmings" who don't think for themselves and respond to power + satisfaction of base needs rather than high ideals (because a true aristocrat of the soul worries about autistic ideological slapfights rather than whether or not his family can eat). But Nick: You want the lemmings to follow you, right? Is there a single reason they would? lolno.
more to y'alls point

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no values. a man in his 20s with no way of life is not a man at all.
 
So now he's openly supporting "beating the fuck out of white women" and the other day he celebrated the Taliban killing a mother of four in her own house. Plus calling himself raper and girl killer. How does Michelle Malkin still follow this guy? Do you think maybe she's distanced herself from him behind the scenes?
 
So now he's openly supporting "beating the fuck out of white women" and the other day he celebrated the Taliban killing a mother of four in her own house. Plus calling himself raper and girl killer. How does Michelle Malkin still follow this guy? Do you think maybe she's distanced herself from him behind the scenes?
You don't understand how being an Elliot Rodger wannabe is actually good optics
 
I oppose Nick being censored from Twitter because I oppose Big Tech censorship on principle, even though Nick himself has no principles. PPP's take of "just move to alt platforms bro, they don't succeed because you don't use them" (while he stays making content almost exclusively on Youtube) is also dumb, for the same reason "Just make your own internet bro" is.

But Nick's incessant whining about the ban does expose one thing: America First has no IRL base (in fact one might call it un-based and cringe). It's another bullshit internet-only movement like the Liberalists or IDW, whose feeble presence in meatspace isn't organic at all. AFPACs are held for no other reason than it's what they think the big boys do - no "action" or plan of action occurs at these conferences. If you walked the streets outside of that Orlando venue and took a survey of random people, they might agree with the statement "America First" but would have no idea who Nick Fuentes is or what his movement is.

If you went into flyover Trump-country, Charles Murray's "Fishtowns", a traditional church, or just any group of young white working or middle class men (that right flank of Trump voters the dissident right considers as its untapped potential base for reactionary populist nationalism) you'd be met with the same confused shrugs. If Nick had grassroots, his movement could survive without social media, but he doesn't, so it doesn't. The movement, as it exists, is a clutch of groupchats full of dumb kids who will move on to something else and people who already agreed with Nick before joining.

The ostensible mission of AF is to "redpill the normies", i.e. create a popular movement as an alternative to useless mainstream conservatism that becomes so large the GOP can no longer ignore it and has to play ball with Nick's radical cadre. But nobody really knows who the fuck Nick is, and he hasn't demonstrated he has anything material to offer them as any radical cadre needs to do.

I guarantee Nick looks down upon normie whites in the same way William Luther Pierce and the Vanguardists of WN 1.0 did, as "lemmings" who aren’t worth persuading because they don't think for themselves and respond to power + satisfaction of base needs rather than high ideals (because a true aristocrat of the soul worries about autistic ideological slapfights rather than whether or not his family can eat). But Nick: You want the lemmings to follow you, right? Is there a single reason they would? lolno.


that is a name i havent heard in a long time, a long time..

You don't understand how being an Elliot Rodger wannabe is actually good optics


in his defense, Elliot Rodger was a good looking guy
 
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Why has nick jumped on the incel bandwagon with his cringe fake Elliot Rodger persona all of a sudden? He clearly has high level of intellect, iq and has been very good at hiding his autism so why is he suddenly at age 23 adopting a fake socially crippled incel nerd persona?

Watch any old pre 2019 AF stream, he acts like a sane human and compare it to his recent streams he is a completely different person acting like an autistic man child shitting on his super chatters , complaining that he lives a hard life when his income is $700k+(excluding French bitcoin stonks that the feds seized) a year streaming from his parents basement, bitches when his mom doesn’t make him dinner and all round assburger raging at the smallest things, his streams are becoming unwatchable.


I don’t agrree with the low iq mouth breather assertion here that Fuentes is a loner virgin. He clearly has has fucked Kathy Zhu. They was very close before Groyper wars kicked off and he constantly makes 4d chess jokes complimenting her on his show.

I think he has a severe case of Nicholas Cage yellow fever but cant publicly admit this because MUH OPTICS keeping his pure Catholic anti race mixing Tony Sorprano larp persona alive..

 
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Listening to and looking at him — makes me want to bully.
Why has nick jumped on the incel bandwagon with his cringe fake Elliot Rodger persona all of a sudden? He clearly has high level of intellect, iq and has been very good at hiding his autism so why is he suddenly at age 23 adopting a fake socially crippled incel nerd persona?
Maybe it’s getting to him, maybe it’s all the drugs he’s been taking. I don’t know, it seems dumb, I can’t for the life of me think of one good reason to pretend to be a loser, even if it’s for “trolling”.

Also, Nikky isn’t smart, he dropped out of college after a semester.
 
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I’m pretty sure it isn’t inceldom, but rather the Freudian rage you often see in some gay men. This level of woman hatred I’ve only ever seen in flaming fags or Eliot Rodger incel types. Nick masks it with inceldom because it panders to his base and masks his flaming homosexuality.
 
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