Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.

[Pop pop fizz fizz]

I hardly hear of anything from Herat, Khandahar, or Jalalabad, and most certainly nothing from the rural areas. In theory each of these cities has their own airport that can do civilian air traffic and could be points of collection for American citizens to depart the country, not everyone was saddled in Kabul.

This is a point that I've been saying to people IRL about this whole fiasco and that the media is studiously ignoring. These are large cities with hundreds of thousands of people each. There are certainly American's and other Western citizens in those cities that need to get the fuck out pronto, but there's not so much as a peep on what the situation is with getting those people out of the other cities and outlying hinterlands.
I wager that once the 31st deadline passes that the Taliban will close its borders and allow no more exit flights and any Americans left behind (as there's likely zero chance they can all get out via Kabul airport) will either be held out for ransom or just executed.
Then I imagine in a few weeks there will be heart-wrenching stories of families going on the news to tell of their child/spouse "lost" in the chaos of Biden's defeat in Afghanistan.

 

[Jump]

This is a point that I've been saying to people IRL about this whole fiasco and that the media is studiously ignoring. These are large cities with hundreds of thousands of people each. There are certainly American's and other Western citizens in those cities that need to get the fuck out pronto, but there's not so much as a peep on what the situation is with getting those people out of the other cities and outlying hinterlands.
I wager that once the 31st deadline passes that the Taliban will close its borders and allow no more exit flights and any Americans left behind (as there's likely zero chance they can all get out via Kabul airport) will either be held out for ransom or just executed.
Then I imagine in a few weeks there will be heart-wrenching stories of families going on the news to tell of their child/spouse "lost" in the chaos of Biden's defeat in Afghanistan.

The US isn't leaving the airport and is telling its citizens to "shelter in place" and "follow us on twittter!"
The brits are running missions in country and telling their citizens to get to rendezvous points.

A shitload of US citizens are going to be left behind because they trusted their government. Telling them to "Shelter in place" is just running out the clock so the government doesn't have to deal with them at the airport. They have zero intention of actually saving them. A bunch of us servicemen getting trapped and killed now would be bad for PR optics.
They hope the rando citizens who get trapped will be forgotten in the coming weeks.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

The US isn't leaving the airport and is telling its citizens to "shelter in place" and "follow us on twittter!"
The brits are running missions in country and telling their citizens to get to rendezvous points.

A shitload of US citizens are going to be left behind because they trusted their government. Telling them to "Shelter in place" is just running out the clock so the government doesn't have to deal with them at the airport. They have zero intention of actually saving them. A bunch of us servicemen getting trapped and killed now would be bad for PR optics.
They hope the rando citizens who get trapped will be forgotten in the coming weeks.

Are these Americans or Afghans that managed to get citizenship somehow? Just curious. Because regardless of any political affiliation I would have left the moment I learned the Taliban was making gains towards the capital.

The decision to close Bagram would also be a wake up call since it would signify the end of military operations. I don't know, maybe I'm just overly cautious.

 

[Stoneheart]

It got so bad that at one point they opened an Air Assault school in fucking FULDA of all places

Whats wrong with Fulda?

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Whats wrong with Fulda?

Nothing, to be honest.

It's just that they opened a brand new school in Fulda, in West Germany (at the time), because the CONUS and Panama schools were so overfull. They didn't put it in Graf or Wildflicken, due to considerations, and put it in Fulda, which always seemed weird at the time. Sure, 11th ACR was there, but it was just weird.

 

[Thomas Highway]

The US isn't leaving the airport and is telling its citizens to "shelter in place" and "follow us on twittter!"
The brits are running missions in country and telling their citizens to get to rendezvous points.

A shitload of US citizens are going to be left behind because they trusted their government. Telling them to "Shelter in place" is just running out the clock so the government doesn't have to deal with them at the airport. They have zero intention of actually saving them. A bunch of us servicemen getting trapped and killed now would be bad for PR optics.
They hope the rando citizens who get trapped will be forgotten in the coming weeks.

Our government has fucked this up in an amazing way and we will be paying for it for a long, long time.

I don't think it was intentional. But results more often than not mean more than intent.

 

[Niggernerd]

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Imagine being such a cuck you the leader of the strongest country in the world work on the talibans time.
God biden should neck himself lol

 

[mindlessobserver]

This is a point that I've been saying to people IRL about this whole fiasco and that the media is studiously ignoring. These are large cities with hundreds of thousands of people each. There are certainly American's and other Western citizens in those cities that need to get the fuck out pronto, but there's not so much as a peep on what the situation is with getting those people out of the other cities and outlying hinterlands.
I wager that once the 31st deadline passes that the Taliban will close its borders and allow no more exit flights and any Americans left behind (as there's likely zero chance they can all get out via Kabul airport) will either be held out for ransom or just executed.
Then I imagine in a few weeks there will be heart-wrenching stories of families going on the news to tell of their child/spouse "lost" in the chaos of Biden's defeat in Afghanistan.

The most infuriating part about this is it does not have to be this way. We don't have to commit to another 20 years of war with the Taliban, but at a minimum we can use the full force of our military to get US citizens out.

We pay hundreds of Billions of dollars in taxes for that military. Getting US citizens out of situations abroad is the primary mission of it. Mission 1, line 1, the US military exists to protect US citizens. And there is not a single soldier in the Army worth his paycheck who will blink when ordered to go into a shithole and get American civilians out.

So fucking DO IT Biden, or whoever the fuck is in charge. Get the 82nd and 101st airborne on the planes, send two carriers to the Arabian Sea and DO IT. One last thunder run, for an actual purpose this time.

But they won't. Because they are spineless cowards so terrified of "optics" that they would rather see America humiliated and our people dead then inconvenience themselves and their plans.

This is BEYOND disgraceful at this point. Our government has a DUTY to its people, and what I am hearing our current leaders saying to the American People at home and stranded in Afghanistan is "LOL sucks to be you, peasant!"

 

[Stoneheart]

It's just that they opened a brand new school in Fulda, in West Germany (at the time), because the CONUS and Panama schools were so overfull.

Well having a school right were the tactical nukes from both sides are aimed at is a brilliant idea.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

I wager that once the 31st deadline passes that the Taliban will close its borders and allow no more exit flights and any Americans left behind (as there's likely zero chance they can all get out via Kabul airport) will either be held out for ransom or just executed.
Then I imagine in a few weeks there will be heart-wrenching stories of families going on the news to tell of their child/spouse "lost" in the chaos of Biden's defeat in Afghanistan.

I doubt this will occur, likely the Taliban will very overtly tell the US that if they don't vacate the airport there will be continuous mortar and rocket attacks on it and anyone approaching the airport will be shot on sight, effectively ending the mission anyway. The US military has an extremely weak hand here and this evacuation exists at the leisure of the Taliban. Once the Americans are out I wouldn't be surprised to see the original civilian ATC staff for the airport placed back in control and civilian flights resumed. A further humiliation of the US who ginned themselves up into a fucking frenzy. This is the most humiliating path for the US so I fully expect the Taliban to take it, being professional and reasonable makes the US deep state look fucking erratic and incompetent and the Taliban have been working that angle nonstop.

 

[MG-34]

Well having a school right were the tactical nukes from both sides are aimed at is a brilliant idea.

If a nuke hit that location reguarless the loss of a training center would be a low priority.

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

A shitload of US citizens are going to be left behind because they trusted their government. Telling them to "Shelter in place" is just running out the clock so the government doesn't have to deal with them at the airport. They have zero intention of actually saving them.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Well having a school right were the tactical nukes from both sides are aimed at is a brilliant idea.

That pretty much covered all of Western Europe at the time.

If your life expectancy wasn't measured in negative numbers, you weren't part of the club.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

 

[Urbanmech]

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1 ambassador is doing more for US citizens than the entire US Government....sad.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

We're going to see a lot of action in the next few days from the Biden administration as to how they are going to deal with the Taliban red line of Aug 31st. Its far more simple for the Taliban to scuttle the evacuation than it is for the Biden administration to keep itself viewed as trustworthy. It already violated the May 1st agreement then further violating the Aug 31st agreement would shred diplomatic legitimacy to the bone. Serious consideration needs to be made as to when the civilians stop being evacuated and the military personnel and gear start the process of departure. In short, the Biden administration is going to fumble and we're going to see more people falling off the planes with the last troops and Marines inside.

 

[The golden neckbeard]

During Soviet stay in Afganistan, there was some criticism for bribing warlords who at one time or another were too happy to fight Soviets until a larger sum convinced them otherwise, for the time being, That's a recurring theme there, separate tribes, feudal relationships, fluid alliances.

Unfortunately American public doesn't have a whole lot of say how their money are being pissed away.

i had heard a story from an old ass Afghan guy about how common it was for Soviet soldiers that in the dark of night who would actually sell their weapons to the Mujahadeen for american cash. And the very next day be found dead by their own rifle.

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I am guessing the article is full of Leaf posts on /Pol

 

[MG-34]

i had heard a story from an old ass Afghan guy about how common it was for Soviet soldiers that in the dark of night who would actually sell their weapons to the Mujahadeen for american cash. And the very next day be found dead by their own rifle.



I am guessing the article is full of Leaf posts on /Pol

Russian soldiers selling guns and equipment directly to their enemy is such a bizzare practice I'll never understand. Despite serving with several inept and untrustworthy people I was never scared someone in that demographic would attempt to do something similar. Russian soldiers did this in Chechnya as well and such an accepted fact it's shown in Russian entertainment like the 9th Company rather than shunned as a taboo secret shame.

 

[mr.moon1488]

We're going to see a lot of action in the next few days from the Biden administration as to how they are going to deal with the Taliban red line of Aug 31st. Its far more simple for the Taliban to scuttle the evacuation than it is for the Biden administration to keep itself viewed as trustworthy. It already violated the May 1st agreement then further violating the Aug 31st agreement would shred diplomatic legitimacy to the bone. Serious consideration needs to be made as to when the civilians stop being evacuated and the military personnel and gear start the process of departure. In short, the Biden administration is going to fumble and we're going to see more people falling off the planes with the last troops and Marines inside.

Lol I feel bad for any soldiers still stuck at the airport by then. The Taliban have MK-19s now, and it wouldn't be that horribly hard to just set them up in the buildings around there, and suppress whatever the fuck they've got on the towers there, which would allow them to move in far too close for CAS to actually be viable.

 

[mindlessobserver]

We're going to see a lot of action in the next few days from the Biden administration as to how they are going to deal with the Taliban red line of Aug 31st. Its far more simple for the Taliban to scuttle the evacuation than it is for the Biden administration to keep itself viewed as trustworthy. It already violated the May 1st agreement then further violating the Aug 31st agreement would shred diplomatic legitimacy to the bone. Serious consideration needs to be made as to when the civilians stop being evacuated and the military personnel and gear start the process of departure. In short, the Biden administration is going to fumble and we're going to see more people falling off the planes with the last troops and Marines inside.

Again. It does not have to be that way. All that is required is for Biden to stand up, look into the Cameras and tell the American people he fucked up. As a consequence of that fuck up, he has no choice but to initiate unrestricted military operations in Afghanistan to get our citizens out.

But he won't do it. Because he's senile. And the people controlling him are incapable of admitting their failure. These people would rather see thousands of Americans dead and our nation humiliated then admit their failure. These are the people ruling us.