Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.

[Super-Chevy454]

If they avoid tomfoolery and second holocausts like Col. Gadaffi attempting create a gold standard currency, only co-incidentally before little Sarkozy's and Hillary's humanitarian intervention in Libya, they should be golden.

Didn't Saddam also once toyed with the idea of a gold standard currency as well?

 

[Blobby's Murder Knife]

NPR Article​

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CIA Chief And Taliban Leader Meet As Taliban Demand Aug. 31 U.S. Withdrawal​

Greg Myre

5-6 minutes
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CIA Director William J. Burns, seen here in his office in Langley, Va., met Taliban leader Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar in Kabul, Afghanistan, on Monday, according to a U.S. official.

CIA Director William Burns met Taliban leader Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar in Kabul, Afghanistan, on Monday, according to a U.S. official familiar with the matter.

The meeting between Burns and Baradar marks the highest level meeting so far between the Biden administration and the Taliban since the group took over in Afghanistan on Aug. 15.

The CIA declined to comment, and there was no word on where in Kabul they met or what they discussed. But the most pressing issue is whether the U.S. airlift operation at the Kabul airport will continue beyond the Aug. 31 deadline.

President Biden says that date is still the target. But he's left open the possibility of extending it, saying he wants to evacuate all U.S. citizens and at-risk Afghans who want to leave the country. Biden also wants all U.S. forces out by the end of the month. Close to 6,000 American troops are at the airport as part of the airlift.

The Taliban are eager to formally establish a government in Afghanistan. They say a continued U.S. presence beyond Aug. 31 would cross a "red line," and there would be unspecified consequences.

Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said Tuesday that his group will accept "no extensions" to an Aug. 31 deadline, The Associated Press reported.

A range of issues to resolve

While news of the Burns-Baradar meeting came as a surprise, the U.S. and the Taliban are in regular contact and have a number of issues to work out.

The Pentagon says it is in daily contact with the Taliban at the Kabul airport, where armed Taliban members are effectively performing crowd control outside the wall of the airport. The U.S. says the Taliban has been cooperative on issues regarding the airport. Still, U.S. forces are concerned about the possibility of an attack by other extremist groups, including the Islamic State and its affiliates.

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Then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo meets Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, head of the Taliban's negotiation team, in talks on Nov. 21, 2020, in Doha, Qatar.

Patrick Semansky/AP

In turn, the Taliban were shunned by the international community during their harsh rule of Afghanistan from 1996-2001. They are seeking international legitimacy this time around, and have encouraged foreign governments to keep their embassies open in Afghanistan. While the Taliban are striking a different tone, the U.S. and its allies are deeply skeptical that the group has changed its fundamental principles.

Also, Afghanistan's weak economy has been heavily dependent on assistance from the U.S. and other Western countries. An aid cutoff could send Afghanistan into a downward economic spiral. Aid groups also say they are concerned about the possibility of a mass exodus of Afghans to neighboring countries.

Meanwhile, the U.S. and Baradar have a tangled history.

A joint CIA-Pakistan operation resulted in Baradar's capture in Pakistan in 2010. After eight years in a Pakistani prison, he was released in 2018 and then led the Taliban delegation in negotiations with the U.S. in Doha, Qatar.

In February 2020, the Trump administration and the Taliban signed an agreement that called for all U.S. troops to be out of Afghanistan by May of this year. The agreement also states that the Taliban will not allow terrorist attacks to be carried out from its territory.

In followup talks, Baradar met last November with then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in Qatar.

On Monday, Baradar met the CIA director, this time under very different circumstances than his first encounter with the spy agency.

At least they are both keeping us safe wearing masks.

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

NPR Article​

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CIA Chief And Taliban Leader Meet As Taliban Demand Aug. 31 U.S. Withdrawal​

Greg Myre

5-6 minutes
View attachment 2476134

CIA Director William J. Burns, seen here in his office in Langley, Va., met Taliban leader Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar in Kabul, Afghanistan, on Monday, according to a U.S. official.

CIA Director William Burns met Taliban leader Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar in Kabul, Afghanistan, on Monday, according to a U.S. official familiar with the matter.

The meeting between Burns and Baradar marks the highest level meeting so far between the Biden administration and the Taliban since the group took over in Afghanistan on Aug. 15.

The CIA declined to comment, and there was no word on where in Kabul they met or what they discussed. But the most pressing issue is whether the U.S. airlift operation at the Kabul airport will continue beyond the Aug. 31 deadline.

President Biden says that date is still the target. But he's left open the possibility of extending it, saying he wants to evacuate all U.S. citizens and at-risk Afghans who want to leave the country. Biden also wants all U.S. forces out by the end of the month. Close to 6,000 American troops are at the airport as part of the airlift.

The Taliban are eager to formally establish a government in Afghanistan. They say a continued U.S. presence beyond Aug. 31 would cross a "red line," and there would be unspecified consequences.

Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said Tuesday that his group will accept "no extensions" to an Aug. 31 deadline, The Associated Press reported.

A range of issues to resolve

While news of the Burns-Baradar meeting came as a surprise, the U.S. and the Taliban are in regular contact and have a number of issues to work out.

The Pentagon says it is in daily contact with the Taliban at the Kabul airport, where armed Taliban members are effectively performing crowd control outside the wall of the airport. The U.S. says the Taliban has been cooperative on issues regarding the airport. Still, U.S. forces are concerned about the possibility of an attack by other extremist groups, including the Islamic State and its affiliates.

View attachment 2476138
Then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo meets Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, head of the Taliban's negotiation team, in talks on Nov. 21, 2020, in Doha, Qatar.

Patrick Semansky/AP

In turn, the Taliban were shunned by the international community during their harsh rule of Afghanistan from 1996-2001. They are seeking international legitimacy this time around, and have encouraged foreign governments to keep their embassies open in Afghanistan. While the Taliban are striking a different tone, the U.S. and its allies are deeply skeptical that the group has changed its fundamental principles.

Also, Afghanistan's weak economy has been heavily dependent on assistance from the U.S. and other Western countries. An aid cutoff could send Afghanistan into a downward economic spiral. Aid groups also say they are concerned about the possibility of a mass exodus of Afghans to neighboring countries.

Meanwhile, the U.S. and Baradar have a tangled history.

A joint CIA-Pakistan operation resulted in Baradar's capture in Pakistan in 2010. After eight years in a Pakistani prison, he was released in 2018 and then led the Taliban delegation in negotiations with the U.S. in Doha, Qatar.

In February 2020, the Trump administration and the Taliban signed an agreement that called for all U.S. troops to be out of Afghanistan by May of this year. The agreement also states that the Taliban will not allow terrorist attacks to be carried out from its territory.

In followup talks, Baradar met last November with then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in Qatar.

On Monday, Baradar met the CIA director, this time under very different circumstances than his first encounter with the spy agency.

Americans will get out. For the rest what it comes down to is this: which is more important to the Taliban--getting rid of disruptive societal elements who won't fit in their New Order? Or publicly punishing collaborators?

2004 Taliban would go 100% Choice 2. Modern Meme Savvy TaliChads? Could go either way.

i wonder if all the rampant incest caused this?
i knew a guy from saudi arabia and he said his parents were unusual because they weren't first cousins. they were unrelated.

And that man? Saudi Arabia's Albert Einstein.

 

[Blobby's Murder Knife]

germany can evacuate if they let their old ways out for a moment.

I sort of agree with most of the Afghan population (I mean my uncle who was a 11 year Afghan vet said the only real solution to Afghanistan is to turn it to glass and start over), but the people who need evacuation, the West struck deals with and now we want to turn around and say fuck you, get murdered. The people that want to leave are people known to cooperate and inform the Western occupying forces. An entire generation grew up without Taliban rule in some cities and they are scared shitless because they want nothing to do with it. My solution is not to import them to the US and the EU but rather some other more secular Muslim country. Then they get their quasi freedom in comparison to living under the Taliban, but still get to be islamfags which will keep them from going Jihadi on us and instead focus their rage on retaking their homeland.

 

[BradCarter]

I sort of agree with most of the Afghan population (I mean my uncle who was a 11 year Afghan vet said the only real solution to Afghanistan is to turn it to glass and start over), but the people who need evacuation, the West struck deals with and now we want to turn around and say fuck you, get murdered. The people that want to leave are people known to cooperate and inform the Western occupying forces. An entire generation grew up without Taliban rule in some cities and they are scared shitless because they want nothing to do with it. My solution is not to import them to the US and the EU but rather some other more secular Muslim country. Then they get their quasi freedom in comparison to living under the Taliban, but still get to be islamfags which will keep them from going Jihadi on us and instead focus their rage on retaking their homeland.

People who collaborate with foreign occupiers should have been well aware of what happens if the foreign occupiers lose. A la vichy France. And they should of known the US isn't going to do shit to save them, a la Vietnam. They made this choice, I'm not going to lose sleep over the consequences of it.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

EXCLUSIVE: Taliban seat on UN Commission on the Status of Women is 'likely,' John Bolton says

EXCLUSIVE: Taliban seat on UN Commission on the Status of Women is 'l…

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The Taliban, who have a notorious history of oppression and violence toward women, are poised to seat a representative on the United Nations Commission on the Status of Women should they form a recognized Afghan government, a former U.N. ambassador says.


After a swift takeover of Afghanistan by the Taliban terror group, as well as deposed Afghan President Ashraf Ghani's escape to the United Arab Emirates, the future of Afghanistan's leadership, and by extent its representation in global organizations, is uncertain, says John Bolton, the former U.S. ambassador to the U.N.








"You have a new crew that comes in, and the U.N. has to decide, 'Do we accept the credentials of a new ambassador?'" Bolton told the Washington Examiner Tuesday. "It's certainly possible to challenge that and deny them a seat. You can say they're not legitimate."

TALIBAN WORDS ON WOMEN BELIE DECADES OF ATROCITIES

However, incoming governments, even those that were established in less-than-diplomatic methods, typically inherit their predecessor's posts, the former ambassador added, noting rejection is rare.

"It's unusual and hasn't often been successful," Bolton, a controversial figure who served as U.N. ambassador under former President George W. Bush and national security adviser to former President Donald Trump, continued. "I think the most likely outcome is the Taliban gets seated."

Of particular concern is the Afghan seat on the Commission for the Status of Women. Afghanistan secured the seat in 2020 , receiving a sufficient 39 votes.

The U.N. describes the Commission for the Status of Women as the "principal global intergovernmental body exclusively dedicated to the promotion of gender equality and the empowerment of women." The commission's stated goal is to "agree on further actions to accelerate progress and promote women’s enjoyment of their rights in political, economic, and social fields."

The Taliban's treatment of women has attracted scrutiny internationally despite attempts to ease fears of Afghanistan's future as a fundamentalist, totalitarian regime. Though the Taliban promised on Aug. 17 that they are "ready to provide women with environment to work and study, and the presence of women in different (government) structures according to Islamic law and in accordance with our cultural values," a senior Taliban leader indicated the next day that women's right to education is up for debate.

"Our scholars will decide whether girls are allowed to go to school or not," Waheedullah Hashimi, a senior Taliban leader, said on Aug. 18.

As the United States spent decades supporting the previous Afghan government in combating the spread of the Taliban, the group committed a series of terror attacks on girls' schools, which they targeted due to their belief that women should not receive education nor take roles in society outside the home.

Additionally, recent reports from Afghans in now-occupied districts describe forced marriages between local girls and Taliban leaders, as well as violent executions of combatant soldiers.

The current Afghan Mission to the U.N. has been vocal in its desire for an "inclusive" administration under the Taliban while seeking international support for a democratic state — something the Taliban has been opposed to for decades.

"Today, I am speaking on behalf of millions of people in Afghanistan whose fate hangs in the balance and are faced with an extremely uncertain future," current Ambassador and Permanent Representative of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan to the U.N. Ghulam Isaczai said on Aug. 16. "I am speaking for millions of Afghan girls and women who are about to lose their freedom to go to school, to work, and to participate in the political, economic, and social life of the country."

Isaczai urged the U.N. to stress that "the Council and the United Nations will not recognize any administration that achieves power through force or any government that is not inclusive and representative of the diversity of the country."

The ambassador additionally begged the U.N. to push the "immediate establishment of an inclusive and representative transitional government that includes all ethnic groups and women representatives; which can lead to a dignified and lasting solution to the conflict, bring peace, and preserve the gains of the last twenty years, especially for women and girls."

"As we face difficult times ahead, the Permanent Mission remains steadfast in supporting the principles of a free and democratic Afghanistan that respects the traditions and cultures of our diverse people and protects the hard-won human rights of all women and men in Afghanistan," the Afghan Mission to the U.N. said in a statement on Aug. 19, the 102nd anniversary of the independence of Afghanistan. "As a proud member of the United Nations, we are determined to remain united and work with our international friends and allies to achieve a peaceful and prosperous Afghanistan."

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Following the Taliban's takeover of Kabul on Aug. 14, the U.S. has evacuated or helped facilitate the evacuation of approximately 37,000 people, and a total of roughly 42,000 people over the last month.

The situation has led to poignant images of those attempting to flee, including Afghan people plummeting to their deaths after clinging to departing U.S. planes, and one mother imploring President Joe Biden, who has vowed to evacuate all U.S. citizens who wish to be repatriated, to "help" those who are "stranded" in Afghanistan.

 

[Screamer]

I wonder if that's like a prerequisite for their higher positions now? "either you did time in GITMO or have a high bounty on your head by the CIA, or you ain't cut out for this gig here."

Did they have access to education materials there?

I sort of agree with most of the Afghan population (I mean my uncle who was a 11 year Afghan vet said the only real solution to Afghanistan is to turn it to glass and start over), but the people who need evacuation, the West struck deals with and now we want to turn around and say fuck you, get murdered. The people that want to leave are people known to cooperate and inform the Western occupying forces. An entire generation grew up without Taliban rule in some cities and they are scared shitless because they want nothing to do with it. My solution is not to import them to the US and the EU but rather some other more secular Muslim country. Then they get their quasi freedom in comparison to living under the Taliban, but still get to be islamfags which will keep them from going Jihadi on us and instead focus their rage on retaking their homeland.

I can't blame anyone for wanting out of there. However, if you want the country to be better, maybe not letting everyone there who wants it to be better leave is not the best policy. Imagine any revolution in history and then saying to the revolutionaries they can leave and go somewhere better. Would the revolutions have happened?

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Tell the taliban fuck you we arent leaving till we get all our citizens out and if you interfere we will kill you with bullets dipped in pigs blood.

Honestly between this and a bigfoot hominid species being discovered in the next ten years I would put all my money on the latter.
I don't think you realize how much a fantasy this statement is.

In a rational world, maybe. But we are so far cucked and faggified, that no extension of the US government would ever do this (except maybe in some false-flag mosque shooting). Shit, this is so far out of the range that even PMC's would probably not risk doing something like this.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

At least they are both keeping us safe wearing masks.

Those niggas pick their noses and their toes a la Stallman, I'd need an NBC suit and DDT to feel safe around them.

(and a rifle, glock, k-bar and hatchet underneath my burka).

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

At this point i feel like Biden needs to cut his loses and send the 173'rd and our Ranger Regiment in get em a combat jump and retake Bagram and KAF. Tell the taliban fuck you we arent leaving till we get all our citizens out and if you interfere we will kill you with bullets dipped in pigs blood.

Pershing apparently never adopted this strategy, though there's evidence he buried corpses in a mass grave and tossed in at least one pig carcass.

FWIW, I vaguely remember reading about ISIS fighters having no fear of dying, but did not want to be shot by a woman, whom the Kurds did (and maybe still do) use in front line roles. Dunno if the Taliban have the same superstition or not.

 

[MG-34]

honestly at best your going to get a guestimate with the C-17 since they are not using the seats at all and just having people sit on the floor.

We can always give the benefit of the doubt and say 800 per C17 but I doubt any sorties collected will collate with the bogus numbers released by the goverment.

 

[Urbanmech]

We can always give the benefit of the doubt and say 800 per C17 but I doubt any sorties collected will collate with the bogus numbers released by the goverment.

I would say 600 is being generous. Remember there was that "Brave Pilot pic" of it being full to the brim with "600 people".

 

[Stoneheart]

Pershing apparently never adopted this strategy, though there's evidence he buried corpses in a mass grave and tossed in at least one pig carcass.

why even use mass graves? just use napalm against taliban villages till they let the US leave.... the US can burn hundreds of villages from the air every day without a problem.

 

[Ghostse]

I sort of agree with most of the Afghan population (I mean my uncle who was a 11 year Afghan vet said the only real solution to Afghanistan is to turn it to glass and start over), but the people who need evacuation, the West struck deals with and now we want to turn around and say fuck you, get murdered. The people that want to leave are people known to cooperate and inform the Western occupying forces. An entire generation grew up without Taliban rule in some cities and they are scared shitless because they want nothing to do with it. My solution is not to import them to the US and the EU but rather some other more secular Muslim country. Then they get their quasi freedom in comparison to living under the Taliban, but still get to be islamfags which will keep them from going Jihadi on us and instead focus their rage on retaking their homeland.

Your uncle is correct.

As @Screamer said, these people need to actually go and fight for their fucking countries instead of squatting in better ones.
Fuck off, we're full.
They bring their fucked up cultures that turned the home country into a violent, corrupt shithole to places that haven't yet turned into a 3rd world country.

One of the way America makes he world worse is we brain drain the rest of the planet.

 

[Thomas Highway]

Your uncle is correct.

As @Screamer said, these people need to actually go and fight for their fucking countries instead of squatting in better ones.
Fuck off, we're full.
They bring their fucked up cultures that turned the home country into a violent, corrupt shithole to places that haven't yet turned into a 3rd world country.

One of the way America makes he world worse is we brain drain the rest of the planet.

You believe absolute bullshit in order to justify edgelord views.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

You believe absolute bullshit in order to justify edgelord views.

No he's right, we literally scoop the smartest and most resourceful people out of these places.

Also, many Mexicans that have lived here since they were children and are now collecting Social Security that can't speak or read English? Lots. Something other countries don't tolerate.

 

[make_it_so]

https://twitter.com/Apoctoz/status/1428206938232393729

 

[buttvomit]

Honestly between this and a bigfoot hominid species being discovered in the next ten years I would put all my money on the latter.
I don't think you realize how much a fantasy this statement is.

In a rational world, maybe. But we are so far cucked and faggified, that no extension of the US government would ever do this (except maybe in some false-flag mosque shooting). Shit, this is so far out of the range that even PMC's would probably not risk doing something like this.

Yea i dont expect that to happen but i did have an ACOG with a bible verse on it when i was in afghanistan. When we got home and they refitted our weapons there was a dude there that litteraly grinded the verse off the scopes.

Trijicon biblical verses controversy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[MrJokerRager]

Pershing apparently never adopted this strategy, though there's evidence he buried corpses in a mass grave and tossed in at least one pig carcass.

FWIW, I vaguely remember reading about ISIS fighters having no fear of dying, but did not want to be shot by a woman, whom the Kurds did (and maybe still do) use in front line roles. Dunno if the Taliban have the same superstition or not.

Taliban are more of a ends justify the means lot and more willing to do what needs to be done to ensure the survival of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. These folks fought the Soviets and Americans for a combined 3 decades.

ISIS got buttfucked and raped in the ass hard by Russia, Iran and Iraqi Shia militias. Only barely last a year. And the Taliban rekt ISIS hard as well.

ISIS are nowhere close to being in the Taliban's league.

 

[Ghostse]

You believe absolute bullshit in order to justify edgelord views.

Chill dude I said yet