US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?

 

[HumanHive]

The britbongs and French both used to have naval Armadas, the Japanese definitely have the potential as well. The reason they don't is... well, American hegemony. Why pay for it when America will? The nuclear umbrella is similarly solved by careful alliances with nuclear powers. Russia ironically is the best here, Putin would love to have some more influence and unlike China doesn't want to infect everyone else with his ideals.


Foreign aid can go fuck itself.

But it isn’t like they just lost interest one day, America firmly got handed the baton because the Anglo-French empires imploded, Japan decided that empire bad and being pacifist freeloaders is so much better, and the alternative world superpower of the USSR is hilariously incompetent at maintaining bluewater navies.

America was very much forced into the role. The EU could hypothetically pick up the slack, but NATO needs to die first before they can justify such military buildup.

Collapse seems inevitable in my opinion, bronze age collapse style.

 

[Post Reply]

I don't buy a second that the generals advised Biden to abandon Bagram, you'd think with how reluctant they were to get out of Afghanistan to begin with they wouldn't abandon one of the most vital arteries for moving troops and equipment in country. It stinks of the administration/State Department realizing they hadn't done shit with the extra withdrawal time they unilaterally claimed and scrambling to get people out in the same way you bullshit a paper from scratch the night before its due.

Leave it to American bureaucrats to be the last people on earth to learn that you burn your bridges after you cross them, not before.

 

[Cuckoman]

I gotta say, other countries sound really pissed at Joe right now and the media isn't towing the line very well. It looks like he fucked up in a lot of ways people weren't expecting. It'll be interesting to see how this gets walked back by his party.

Look, fat, it was supposed to be a great photo ops with me, the president My Boss ObidenBama and Cornpop.
Shut your mouth you dog faced pony soldier.
You wanna go out on the parkinglot and do pushups?
You should have voted for the other biden.

Man, I wish #IShouldHaveVotedForTheOtherBiden would trend

 

[Glowing In The Streets]

Link to the Trump agreement. https://twitter.com/QuoteDigging/status/1431084187801509888

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https://www.state.gov/wp-content/up...or-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

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sounds very reasonable to me

nothing there states the taliban gets free humvees and military equipment. no mention of 14 military martys either.
hell, it even considers the prior gov as existing

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Sun Tzu say, you escalate in a way that leaves your enemy unable to retaliate
*strokes beard*

That is more or less correct. I had to look up a quote and the closest I came up with is "to advance irresistibly, push through their gaps. To retreat elusively, outspeed them."

-Chapter 6 so you know I'm not full of crap.

Afghanistan (and Iraq for that matter) can be described in Chapter 2,
"Therefore, I have heard of military operations that were clumsy but swift, but I have never seen one that was skillful and lasted a long time. I is never beneficial to a nation to have a military operation continue for a long time."

 

[Gehenna]

But it isn’t like they just lost interest one day, America firmly got handed the baton because the Anglo-French empires imploded, Japan decided that empire bad and being pacifist freeloaders is so much better, and the alternative world superpower of the USSR is hilariously incompetent at maintaining bluewater navies.

America was very much forced into the role. The EU could hypothetically pick up the slack, but NATO needs to die first before they can justify such military buildup.

Collapse seems inevitable in my opinion, bronze age collapse style.

I wish to propose you are thinking too globally. America is the only power capable of handling the issue of a -global- blue water navy.

But it doesn't need to be global.

Regional blue water navies are still well within the power of other nations. France and Britain together still have the economic oomph to field blue water navies that can completely secure the northern Atlantic and much of the southern Atlantic. Spain and Italy together are quite cable of handling the Mediterranean and much of the Indian. India itself has the potential, albeit much of that is theoretical, to absolutely dominate the waters around southern Africa and the Indian ocean. And in terms of Japan, there are actually a few Asia powers capable of at least somewhat handling the Pacific, and as our biggest center of trade, even an isolationist America would have some interest in maintaining its waters.

Regional water powers, rather than a single global hegemon, is very much in the realm of possibility. Is it as good? No, there would be gaps that form. But it's not a total failure either.

 

[HumanHive]

I wish to propose you are thinking to globally. America is the only power capable of handling the issue of a -global- blue water navy.

But it doesn't need to be global.

Regional blue water navies are still well within the power of other nations. France and Britain together still have the economic oomph to field blue water navies that can completely secure the northern Atlantic and much of the southern Atlantic. Spain and Italy together are quite cable of handling the Mediterranean and much of the Indian. India itself has the potential, albeit much of that is theoretical, to absolutely dominate the waters of the waters around southern Africa and the Indian ocean. And Japan there are actually a few Asia powers capable of at least somewhat handling the Pacific, and as our biggest center of trade, even an isolationist America would have some interest in maintaining its waters.

Regional water powers, rather than as ingle global hegemon, is very much in the realm of possibility. Is it as good? No, there would be gaps that form. But it's not a total failure either.

I think that’s exactly how China envisions the future, and for Asia/Pacific that works, but when we’re in an era of global trade, not regional, and any kind of partnership against piracy and other criminal activity (because it isn’t just pirates) is tenuous at best and often political.

South America and Africa are the real problems here. If there was a competent regional power present, it’d work; but as is you’re going to have a shitstorm of criminal activity that even the US can barely keep a lid on.

 

[HumanHive]

Sun Tzu say, you escalate in a way that leaves your enemy unable to retaliate
*strokes beard*

Sun Tzu needs to read up on Just War Theory, because that’s the dominant ideology in a post-nuke world.

 

[Eggplant Wizard]

I am going to have to say I am amazed at how much of a trainwreck DOCTOR Biden, Kamala, and “president“ Biden are willing to make in order to simply look pretty, which is the source of this crisis.

Imagine what kind of hell they’ll bring about when they try to actually enrich themselves, improve their standing, or try to get any kind of tangible result.

 

[GuntPunt]

Link to the Trump agreement. https://twitter.com/QuoteDigging/status/1431084187801509888

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I legitimently can't understand.

Twatter is shitting itself about how the Afganistan pullout is a large disaster on Trump because...well because it just is, ok. Also here's a Pompeo picture to look how buddy-buddy they are with the Taliban. Trump is bad, remember?

Than Twatter is also praising Biden for the decision of pulling out and not following Trump's plan.

But if we never followed Trump's plan, and Biden just haphazardly made a new one, how is any of this Trump's fault? Biden himself stated he still wanted to pull out differently, and that the decision is his. The logic isn't sound.

Can not one of these retards think something out?

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Sun Tzu needs to read up on Just War Theory, because that’s the dominant ideology in a post-nuke world.

I made it up, I am the Sun Tzu

 

[Gehenna]

I think that’s exactly how China envisions the future, and for Asia/Pacific that works, but when we’re in an era of global trade, not regional, and any kind of partnership against piracy and other criminal activity (because it isn’t just pirates) is tenuous at best and often political.

South America and Africa are the real problems here. If there was a competent regional power present, it’d work; but as is you’re going to have a shitstorm of criminal activity that even the US can barely keep a lid on.

I do agree, and as I said my proposal here is not perfect. India I think is the key for that region. Geographically close to the Suez, they likely could lock down the Horn of Africa, The problem is, as said before, their power is theoretical. Though India isn't the only potential player there. Italy is a member of the G7 and geographically close to the Suez and could also run protection on the Horn, though the problem there is logistics of frequent military vessels through the Suez clogging it up. The seizing of Crimea means that Russia also has potential there, but the Suez remains an issue and they'd also need frequent pass through the Bosphorus.

Ideally, an eastern African country could get up to the plate or even one from the middle-east. But like India those are highly theoretical at best.

 

[Bongocat]

Imagine thinking this is a good look

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It actually reminds me of that pol meme with the little mexican kid crying with "heartbreaking photos that'll make you say fuck having borders and law and shit" except he's an 80 year old white guy and also your president

 

[HumanHive]

I do agree, and as I said my proposal here is not perfect. India I think is the key for that region. Geographically close to the Suez, they likely could lock down the Horn of Africa, The problem is, as said before, their power is theoretical. Though India isn't the only potential player there. Italy is a member of the G7 and geographically close to the Suez and could also run protection on the Horn, though the problem there is logistics of frequent military vessels through the Suez clogging it up. The seizing of Crimea means that Russia also has potential there, but the Suez remains an issue and they'd also need frequent pass through the Bosphorus.

Ideally, an eastern African country could get up to the plate or even one from the middle-east. But like India those are highly theoretical at best.

Unfortunately I think China and India are destined to be rivals in the pacific, but I guess if you sat them down Treaty of Tordesillas style you could work it out.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Fuck it.

Let the other countries sink or swim. Piracy? Fuck it, let the fucking corporations pay for their own fucking security, that'll give the PMC's something to do beside nudge the US State Department and point at places on the map.

Close the fucking borders, ramp up tarriffs, and the soy golems to go back to learning how to eat foods that are 'in season' and stop buying Funco Pops to shove up their asses.

Bring back jobs.

Stop giving hundreds of millions or fucking BILLIONS to open feminist ice cream shops or what the fuck ever stupid shit.

Close down the colleges and shoot any humanities teacher in the back of the head.

 

[Gehenna]

Unfortunately I think China and India are destined to be rivals in the pacific, but I guess if you sat them down Treaty of Tordesillas style you could work it out.

Why? https://porteconomicsmanagement.org/wp-content/uploads/Map_Main-Maritime-Routes.pdf

India isn't much of an exporter, but geographically and going off existing maritime trade routes it would likely trade west through the Suez. While china goes a little bit westwards, it mainly trades eastwards through Panama. Even without the US, it also makes more sense for them to continue doing so as already bordering the pacific it lets them trade in bulk and avoid the overly used Suez. They sacrifice some time with a longer trip but can trade more in quantity.

Going off trade routes, they use completely different ones, and neither share a sea border.

 

[HumanHive]

Why? https://porteconomicsmanagement.org/wp-content/uploads/Map_Main-Maritime-Routes.pdf

India isn't much of an exporter, but geographically and going off existing maritime trade routes it would likely trade west through the Suez. While china goes a little bit westwards,m it mainly trades eastwards through Panama. Even without the US, it also makes more sense for them to continue doing so as already bordering the pacific it lets them trade in bulk and avoid the overly used Suez.

Going off trade routes, they use completely different ones, and neither shrae a sea border.

The “why” isn’t in the pacific, it’s in the Himalayas. Both sides want to control the glaciers that feed their rivers, and this conflict will spill over into China’s desire to add southeast Asia to its sphere.

 

[Gehenna]

The “why” isn’t in the pacific, it’s in the Himalayas. Both sides want to control the glaciers, and this conflict will spill over into China’s desire to add southeast Asia to its sphere.

But that doesn't require warring over the Pacific, and in such a situation controlling the Horn of Africa gives India a tactical advantage in the case of conflict as it secures their supply lines. Plus India would have absolutely no reason to go into the Pacific for any peacetime reasons.

 

[Only A Retard Sometimes]

Why? https://porteconomicsmanagement.org/wp-content/uploads/Map_Main-Maritime-Routes.pdf

India isn't much of an exporter, but geographically and going off existing maritime trade routes it would likely trade west through the Suez. While china goes a little bit westwards, it mainly trades eastwards through Panama. Even without the US, it also makes more sense for them to continue doing so as already bordering the pacific it lets them trade in bulk and avoid the overly used Suez. They sacrifice some time with a longer trip but can trade more in quantity.

Going off trade routes, they use completely different ones, and neither share a sea border.

China relies on oil imports. most of that goes right past india.

 

[tehpope]

Some DHS meanie complaining that we have open borders. (snark)