Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

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Remember when this was just a conspiracy theory?

While the study sounds encouraging Natural immunity is not lasting and neither is the vaccine...

I figure..ive seem in /cvg about 7 months for natural immunity and about 4 months for the vaccine

Immunity is not binary.
Its not a magic point where one day you have 100% protection from the pathogen then the next day you are 0% protected completely exposed. Those numbers aren't solid numbers, as 1) low-end estimates come from more older and less-healthy specimens, and 2) those numbers come from antibody presence, not T-cell & B-cell memory (which tbf is harder to test for) - as well as the fact that some of those numbers were coming from testing only for short-term IgM antibodies and not long-term IgG antibodies.

Immunity will wane, but in most cases it has more to do with the virus changing shape and becoming less and less recognizable to the T-cells & B-cells, as well as existing antibody codes (re:"recipes") being less effective against the new shape; HOWEVER, its erroneous to just put a flat label on immunity and say "it doesn't last".

Holy shit these people are fucking evil, I hate the American healthcare system

Just wait until demoshits get it socialized.
It can only get worse from here on out...

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

I got covid and am currently in the hospital with mild pneumonia in the mid right lung. BMI is 34.1. On the face of it, how fucked am I?

 

[Car Won't Crank]

I already avoid doctors and hospitals - now you couldn't pay me to go to one for any reason. If I can't save myself from any trauma or illness with some super glue, popsicle sticks, gauze, tape and OTC drugs then fuck it, tag and bag me. This world isn't really worth too many extensive measures of self-preservation anyway.

What's that old adage? An apple a day keeps the doctors away?

 

[General Disarray]

What's that old adage? An apple a day keeps the doctors away?

That's how I get my popsicle sticks. Caramel apples.

 

[Vecr]

I got covid and am currently in the hospital with mild pneumonia in the mid right lung. BMI is 34.1. On the face of it, how fucked am I?

Depends on the time since onset of symptoms. If it's been quite a few days, it probably won't get worse if you get good care and don't pick anything up at the hospital.

 

[The High Prophet of Truth]

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[Catch The Rainbow]

Depends on the time since onset of symptoms. If it's been quite a few days, it probably won't get worse if you get good care and don't pick anything up at the hospital.

It's been about 5 days. Pneumonia started yesterday

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

Fuck, man. I'm almost into my mid-30s and I want to stay the fuck away from hospitals ever again after the last few years of nebulous experiences I had with them. Don't believe the hype that hospital care in New England is cutting-edge or best in the nation, those are all lies. Newbie nurses sticking IVs into my arm and missing the vein three times was the last straw to me, and I don't even want to fathom what sort of barbaric protocols they must now have in COVID Clown Reality.

Just wait until demoshits get it socialized.
It can only get worse from here on out...

I suppose I'll share some stories about bonglands rNHS.

One woman, had arthritis, can't even stretch her arm straight, she was a basically doing the robot with one arm to give you an impression, her GP was putting her down as fine because she made the effort to go to the doctors on her own by driving herself down. Met some people who know how to put on an act to work the system, finally got the healthcare she needed.

Woman 2, went to GP about pain in her back, GP just keeps giving her pain meds, woman gets fed up of the docs not really looking into it cause clearly it's something, pays for private, her kidneys where failing. Got the care she needed, hasn't complained since.

One man, went to hospital for stomach pain, doctors says everything is fine, sent him home, has to be rushed to hospital two days later, holes in his intestine, he had gastrointestinal perforation, died a day later drowning in his own shit, his widow got a massive claim out of that fuck up.

There's more and I'm sure any bong can give you a story about the incompetence of rNHS.

 

[Escaped Abortion]

I got covid and am currently in the hospital with mild pneumonia in the mid right lung. BMI is 34.1. On the face of it, how fucked am I?

I had a calculator for that. The BMI will definitely make things a bit worse, but depending how old you are, most cases resolve with just hospital support.

How are you O2 levels? If you are under 40 your chances are still really good, and between 40-60 we'll say decent.

Hopefully they will give you the steroids first. Don't let them immediately vent you, the vent is not something that ends well. I'd probably try the steroid and supplimentary oxygen in that position if needed.

 

[Flaming Carrot]

I honestly think if vaccines don't return things to 100% normalcy by the end of this year where we're spending another winter in lockdown and it looks like this is truly "the new normal", more and more people will seriously consider suicide. So cruel to drag this out.

I think it's more likely that people will just stop paying attention to the restrictions. I had my kid in science camp the camp, and for the last couple of weeks it was inside. We had a list of restrictions a mile long. The kids had to wear masks. They had to bring their own markers, because absolutely no sharing of art supplies was allowed. They were going to do all sorts of sterilizing of the room, and the kids are going to be six feet apart, and so on and so forth.

The first day we show up and we find out they've got two kids right next to each bother. One day they had a "marker fight" and everyone ended up going home with each others markers. Half the kids started taking their masks off, and no one said a thing about it.

Most of the places near me are "strongly suggesting masks" and they don't care if you wear one or don't. Even people who want to wear masks don't even care about social distancing. I went to the zoo, and not a single Purell dispenser was working. Tons of people have stopped caring, the second a politician loses an election because of Covid restrictions, they're going to stop caring too.

 

[Vecr]

It's been about 5 days. Pneumonia started yesterday

It's possible it could get worse when you move from the early inflammatory phase to the late inflammatory phase. You probably won't die unless your O2 sat goes way down, but you could still get clotting and immune mediated effects.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

I had a calculator for that. The BMI will definitely make things a bit worse, but depending how old you are, most cases resolve with just hospital support.

How are you O2 levels? If you are under 40 your chances are still really good, and between 40-60 we'll say decent.

Hopefully they will give you the steroids first. Don't let them immediately vent you, the vent is not something that ends well. I'd probably try the steroid and supplimentary oxygen in that position if needed.

My O2 levels without supplementary oxygen range from 89-94 and with supplementary oxygen ranges from 93-97. I'm mid 20s and I am also being given the remdesivir treatment.

 

[Vecr]

My O2 levels without supplementary oxygen range from 89-94 and with supplementary oxygen ranges from 93-97. I'm mid 20s and I am also being given the remdesivir treatment.

If you are already in the hospital I'm not sure why they are giving you remdesivir, it's really only useful for keeping people out of the hospital. Your country might have discount on it, so they use it even if it only helps a bit. Sounds good except for that.

 

[Escaped Abortion]

My O2 levels without supplementary oxygen range from 89-94 and with supplementary oxygen ranges from 93-97. I'm mid 20s and I am also being given the remdesivir treatment.

Too bad it's likely too progressed for the antibody treatement. That one seems to be nice. I mean, maybe ask for it anyhow if you can. When did you start to get sick?

 

[mdrop22]

I think it's more likely that people will just stop paying attention to the restrictions.

This is already slowly happening. Even in states with mask mandates there's varying levels of compliance. At the gym, no one is wearing a mask. At the Kroger, EVERYONE is masked up, some people even went back to using gloves (gross). Massive concerts and festivals are going on where no one is masked, yet certain bars and restaurants are going so far as to request proof of vaccination. It's so weird and it's making people uneasy. The uncertainty every time you go to do anything is pissing me off, personally. I think more people will start to shift their opinions, I already see people getting fed up with the idea of boosters every 6 months.

The reddit general thread has a pinned topic right now, so it's been completely overrun and all anyone wants to talk about is the janny uprising. Which is funny, don't get me wrong, but I have other things to post. Since it's related to lockdowns/mandate, I'm putting it under a cut here.

Spoiler: Reddit nonsense

Looked into this user a bit and here's what I found:
- They're 30(!), just got diagnosed as autistic, and claim to have 2 bachelor degrees in "science" yet work at a convenience store part time. They also claim to have a traumatic brain injury, a compromised immune system, and they apparently just got over pneumonia. Oh yeah and this -

A casual sex club? Do they not get that we're in a deadly pandemic? Or do you think they fuck with masks on?

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Too bad it's likely too progressed for the antibody treatement. That one seems to be nice. I mean, maybe ask for it anyhow if you can. When did you start to get sick?

Last Wednesday. I can get the anti bodies after being discharged

 

[Fliddaroonie]

Last Wednesday. I can get the anti bodies after being discharged

Hope you feel better. When recovering, make sure you get plenty of sunlight and fresh air. I know you mentioned your weight, but if all this puts you on a health kick, be sensible and focus on getting to a healthy weight steadily and sensibly.

Hope you get time off for sick leave, but it sounds like your hospital team are doing right by you, which is great to hear.

 

[Protistology]

BMI is 34.1

What's your height and weight?

 

[talk sh1t]

The flu completely vanished during COVID-19. How anyone sees that statistic and still believes millions of people had COVID-19 and not influenza is fucking incredible.
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EDIT: Source https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/22/science/flu-season-coronavirus-pandemic.html
This was widely reported and you can find this on the CDC and many major news sources.

In this article the story is a bit different and sounds more plausible. Throughout the world, flu cases are not 0, but they're extremely and unprecedently low.

The Pandemic Crushed the Flu—What Happens When It Returns?

Cases of influenza and other respiratory viruses sank dramatically during the pandemic, with potential implications for both people and pathogens.

www.the-scientist.com

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During the pandemic, not only have flu case numbers plummeted in parts of the world, but influenza viruses has also become significantly less diverse—so much so that some variants of the virus may have disappeared. “What we’ve seen is a major collapse in the genetic diversity of [flu] viruses,” Hensley says.

There are four types of influenza viruses: A, B, C, and D. The viruses responsible for seasonal flus fall into types A and B. Type A viruses are split into subtypes named for the identity of two of its surface proteins, hemagglutinin (H) and neuraminidase (N)—H1N1, for example. Type B viruses, by contrast, are divided into two lineages, B/Victoria and B/Yamagata. Both subtypes and lineages can be further divided into clades and subclades based on their genetics.

“In the past 18 months, the B/Yamagata lineage has disappeared,” says Cowling. In addition, among the clades of H3N2 viruses—of which of around half a dozen usually circulate each season—there now appear to be only two major clades, according to Hensley. “Very few flu viruses have been able to make it out of the COVID pandemic unscathed.”

They are still only speculating as to why this has happened, but the most probable explanation is that the majority of the population is already primed for the various flu viruses and subtypes that circulate every year due to previous exposure to similar viruses, whereas COVID is completely new in its make-up (and more contagious). The anti-COVID measures (masks, social distancing, etc) were thus strong enough to eradicate most flu strains, but less successful with COVID itself.

Also, according to the NYTimes article, it seems like only one of these viruses can take over a person at a time (so if you're infected with a type of flu, you can't get infected with another one). This is probably basic knowledge in medicine but I dunno lol.

So whether medical centres are falsely counting seasonal flu cases as COVID or not is pure speculation. I mean, clown world and all that, but there needs to be more proof.

But yes, you probably see where this is going: seeing as how successful the anti-COVID measures were against the normal flu, this is being used as a further argument to keep the restrictions in place even after COVID will (somehow) be over.

 

[Meriasek]

I got covid and am currently in the hospital with mild pneumonia in the mid right lung. BMI is 34.1. On the face of it, how fucked am I?

Superfucked, butterball.