Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[Lathe]

You're thinking of Jessica Alves. Here are some photos, by the way, from the Mirror article (Archive) about this STUNNING and BRAVE "woman" who is on her(his) quest to get proper woman-like baby making organs, I'm sure you're completely surprised at how well she(he) passes.

Spoiler: WOMAN

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Plus a bonus photo from a Daily Mail article (Archive)
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I remember a part in The Silence of the Lambs novel where Crawford, Dr. Blum, and a doctor from the SRS department of the Mayo Clinic are discussing the filtering process for those that have genuine gender problems and others.

It included AGP like Buffalo Bill (he is a perfect example of AGP) but another group are surgical addicts. This person does not make me think of a woman, it reminds me of a surgery addict.

 

[Fapcop]

I remember a part in The Silence of the Lambs novel where Crawford, Dr. Blum, and a doctor from the SRS department of the Mayo Clinic are discussing the filtering process for those that have genuine gender problems and others.

It included AGP like Buffalo Bill (he is a perfect example of AGP) but another group are surgical addicts. This person does not make me think of a woman, it reminds me of a surgery addict.

You’d never, ever get financial support for this kind of research, but I’ll bet there’s some kind link between trannies, surgery addicts and people suffering from anorexia and body dysmorphia disorder. (Ya know; The bodybuilders who keep lifting because they think they’re tiny.)

And no: Anorexia has nothing to do with fashion magazines and “modern, unrealistic standards of beauty.” The first reports about anorexia date back to the 19th century.

All of the above probably have some kind of damage in their brain that regulates how they see themselves.

Wishful thinking is one thing, but that can’t be the only explanation for why a 400lb body builder thinks he’s tiny, an anorectic thinks he/she is fat, a troon thinks he looks like a woman or a surgery addict thinks: “Oh yeah! This is sessy!”

 

[Gar For Archer]

You’d never, ever get financial support for this kind of research, but I’ll bet there’s some kind link between trannies, surgery addicts and people suffering from anorexia and body dysmorphia disorder. (Ya know; The bodybuilders who keep lifting because they think they’re tiny.)

And no: Anorexia has nothing to do with fashion magazines and “modern, unrealistic standards of beauty.” The first reports about anorexia date back to the 19th century.

All of the above probably have some kind of damage in their brain that regulates how they see themselves.

Wishful thinking is one thing, but that can’t be the only explanation for why a 400lb body builder thinks he’s tiny, an anorectic thinks he/she is fat, a troon thinks he looks like a woman or a surgery addict thinks: “Oh yeah! This is sessy!”

You said it right there - the link is, literally, body dismorphia of varying types.

 

[Fapcop]

You said it right there - the link is, literally, body dismorphia of varying types.

They often even sound alike: “I don’t feel at home in my body”, “I look in the mirror but it looks nothing like what I feel I look like”. “Why can’t other people see what I see in the mirror”.

And it would of course also explain why so many buff, gymhitting dudes troon out.

Same underlying condition, different coping mechanism.

EDIT: SAVE US COMMUNIST CHINA!! If any serious research into this will be done, that’s probably where can expect it to come from.

The CPC has no interest in millions of productive Chinese trooning out, and not only are they as anti-woke as they come, they also laugh at white, middle class woke idiots and have a special derogatory word for them, which escapes me rn.

 

[Skullshatterer]

Hey! Medical school ain’t cheap!

And there’s also the whole Mengele-aspect to it.

Not even Mengele though up something like this. Although his - and every other doctor in the camps - experiments were inhumane and many useless, he didn't come up with an absolutely useless one like making up unusable genitalia. Such experiments like changing eye colors were only useful in their fucked up ideology but still less degenerated than today's SRS surgeries, which are legal.

You’d never, ever get financial support for this kind of research, but I’ll bet there’s some kind link between trannies, surgery addicts and people suffering from anorexia and body dysmorphia disorder. (Ya know; The bodybuilders who keep lifting because they think they’re tiny.)

And no: Anorexia has nothing to do with fashion magazines and “modern, unrealistic standards of beauty.” The first reports about anorexia date back to the 19th century.

Here I would have to disagree. In the 19th century there were many standards of beauty that were unobtainable, though they differentiate from today, many were still related to a woman's figure. While it was acceptable to be more "full" than a current instagram thot recently done liposuction picture, corsets were used to thin the waist. They were painful and deformed the ribcage and rearranged the organs. You couldn't use a corset if you were a fatass.

Body dysmorphia in both men and women still difference greatly from a troon's wanting to be the opposite sex and cut off their genitals.
I think everyone is going to feel dysmorphia at some point in their lives, and most people would change something in their bodies if they could do it magically and with no risks. A little bit taller, a little bit skinner, nose shape, etc. And while Anorexia is definitely a mental health issue I wouldn't classify it in the same category. Body Integrity Disorder is more similar to real dysphoric troons, and just like the previous, extremely rare. Most nowadays are just result of a fetish being widely accepted, ROD and peer pressure on girls.

Absolutely every girl and women will go through a "dysphoric" fase, especially during puberty because let's be honest, it sucked.

TD;LR Women pretty much always had high expectation of appearance and behaviour. Continuous body dysmorphia is result of mental illness, BID/Dysphoria is probably result of a neurological disorder.

 

[Falling Star]

Came across a disturbing comment on good ol' Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/phallo/comments/pemnjy/can_i_use_my_breast_skin_do_the_phallo/

wow Imagine trying to recover from what's normally ~4 different surgeries... all in one go.



Here is the linked paper (needs academic access to see more than the abstract though).
Looking into him more, it seems Dr. Paul Daverio has been doing FTM butchery for ages - since 1995 apparently! Yikes. Breaks my heart, since you just know the only women transitioning ~20 years ago were probably butch lesbians who felt like they needed to do it so they could be in socially-acceptable "heterosexual" relationships. Kinda like the gay men who are forced to transition in Iran.

Anyway, I tried looking for photos & more information but can't find much. Maybe someone who knows German can find more.
I think these are websites affiliated with him:
https://www.transgender-surgery.com/de/
https://www.kliniksanssouci.de/de/leistungsbereiche/transsexualitaet/frau-zu-mann/

One of his victims has already been posted in this thread, actually. See: here. She was very unhappy because it was extremely expensive, only resulted in a 3-inch neopenis (was promised 5.5), and she had to deal with some serious complications.

Here's another one of his victims (poor-quality photos though). She also got an erectile device. The total cost of phallo + ED was 70,000 euros apparently...

Spoiler: NSFW

 

[Gar For Archer]

Not even Mengele though up something like this. Although his - and every other doctor in the camps - experiments were inhumane and many useless, he didn't come up with an absolutely useless one like making up unusable genitalia. Such experiments like changing eye colors were only useful in their fucked up ideology but still less degenerated than today's SRS surgeries, which are legal.

Here I would have to disagree. In the 19th century there were many standards of beauty that were unobtainable, though they differentiate from today, many were still related to a woman's figure. While it was acceptable to be more "full" than a current instagram thot recently done liposuction picture, corsets were used to thin the waist. They were painful and deformed the ribcage and rearranged the organs. You couldn't use a corset if you were a fatass.

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Body dysmorphia in both men and women still difference greatly from a troon's wanting to be the opposite sex and cut off their genitals.
I think everyone is going to feel dysmorphia at some point in their lives, and most people would change something in their bodies if they could do it magically and with no risks. A little bit taller, a little bit skinner, nose shape, etc. And while Anorexia is definitely a mental health issue I wouldn't classify it in the same category. Body Integrity Disorder is more similar to real dysphoric troons, and just like the previous, extremely rare. Most nowadays are just result of a fetish being widely accepted, ROD and peer pressure on girls.

Absolutely every girl and women will go through a "dysphoric" fase, especially during puberty because let's be honest, it sucked.

TD;LR Women pretty much always had high expectation of appearance and behaviour. Continuous body dysmorphia is result of mental illness, BID/Dysphoria is probably result of a neurological disorder.

The kind of body image issues that normal people experience is very different from the kind that results in anorexia, trannies, and Synthol freaks. Superficially similar, maybe, but body image issues are usually motivated by external stimuli (e.g. “unrealistic” standards) whereas dysphoria is an innate mental illness that will never be satisfied.

 

[Skullshatterer]

The kind of body image issues that normal people experience is very different from the kind that results in anorexia, trannies, and Synthol freaks. Superficially similar, maybe, but body image issues are usually motivated by external stimuli (e.g. “unrealistic” standards) whereas dysphoria is an innate mental illness that will never be satisfied.

Oh yes I didn't mean to compare normal body image issues to anorexia or trannies. However I still think Anorexia is very different from BID and Body Dysphoria. I believe true body dysphoria (again, which is rare) is a neurological issue. Most unfortunate fucks in this thread are probably just fruit of being either fetishists or terminally online and mentally ill.

 

[Fapcop]

Not even Mengele though up something like this. Although his - and every other doctor in the camps - experiments were inhumane and many useless, he didn't come up with an absolutely useless one like making up unusable genitalia. Such experiments like changing eye colors were only useful in their fucked up ideology but still less degenerated than today's SRS surgeries, which are legal.

Not that I like to defend Nazis, but the eye color changing experiments had nothing to do with ideology, but more of a “Gee, wonder if I can do this!” Kinda reasoning.

You know, kinda like the apparent mindset of many doctors operating on troons today.

(The “tall, blue eyed Arian” thing has always been more of a post-war charicature of what Nazis obsessed about anyways. Nazi racial categorization was, like much in Nazi Germany, a confusing bureaucratic mess. Just look up “mountain Jews” or “Kashubians”.

And it wasn’t all of their medical experiments that were senseless. Much of what we know today about hypothermia and the human body and altitude derive from KZ camp experiments. Which of course led to an ethical dilemma post war: Should we use the results of those experiments to save lives, and expand on human knowledge or ignore them? The consensus at the time seemed to be: “Yes, but let’s be discrete about it!”

Anyways, sorry for the historical sperging.

Came across a disturbing comment on good ol' Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/phallo/comments/pemnjy/can_i_use_my_breast_skin_do_the_phallo/
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wow Imagine trying to recover from what's normally ~4 different surgeries... all in one go.

The more shit is done during surgery, the longer you’re under (Anesthesia is basically putting you on a precipice between life and death and twisting the knobs hoping the balance is juuuust right) the bigger the risk. Period.

The only and biggest advantage here is from the doctor’s perspective. Do it all at once, and there’s no risk the patient changes her mind about doing the rest after she finds out that top surgery isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.

One of his victims has already been posted in this thread, actually. See: here. She was very unhappy because it was extremely expensive, only resulted in a 3-inch neopenis (was promised 5.5), and she had to deal with some serious complications.

FFS, bitching about dick size. How actually unironically male.

Oh also: Fuck her! 3 inches is what plenty of actual men have been blessed with, and they somehow make due.

But hey! Good news everyone! According to the good doctor: “our complication rates are satisfyingly low”. What does “satisfyingly low” mean? Less than 50%? Less than other 12 hour surgeries?

Here's another one of his victims (poor-quality photos though). She also got an erectile device. The total cost of phallo + ED was 70,000 euros apparently...

Imagine having a meat sock for a “penis” that just hangs there, can only get “hard” if you fucking hand crank it and on top of that has a serious risk of rotting off.

(That ED device sounds like lunacy too. Something breaks, whoopsies! Another surgery I guess!)

Fucking insane!

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Maybe someone who knows German can find more.

I do but I'm not insane enough to look at these horrors. Buuut...if you want tons of photos (including srs horros) you can become a member of http://forum.ftm-portal.net/.

It's a forum for german speaking women on steroids (that includes austria & parts of Switzerland so there are lots of horrible photos).

 

[Aunt Carol]

Imagine having a meat sock for a “penis” that just hangs there, can only get “hard” if you fucking hand crank it and on top of that has a serious risk of rotting off.

(That ED device sounds like lunacy too. Something breaks, whoopsies! Another surgery I guess!)

Fucking insane!

We have to give the FtMs one thing: none of these erectile devices were designed and produced for their aftermarket flesh socks.

Natal men are very, very into the ability to manifest or approximate an erection, and ED tends to hit in the late-midlife crisis, money-to-burn years. No expense spared.

 

[Fapcop]

I do but I'm not insane enough to look at these horrors. Buuut...if you want tons of photos (including srs horros) you can become a member of http://forum.ftm-portal.net/.

It's a forum for german speaking women on steroids (that includes austria & parts of Switzerland so there are lots of horrible photos).

I... I just can’t man... I’ve seen beheading videos, live combat and trucks exploding in Syria before Youtube became super cucked. I’ve seen ISIS videos, prolapsed assholes and horrors you can’t imagine.

But this shit? Nope! I see a “Spoiler NSFW” tag in the SRS thread and I avoid that shit like actual cancer.

There’s just a Lovecraftian horror over amholes and meat sausages that I leave for those made of stronger stuff than me.

Big ups for the poor gynecologists and urologists who show up for work and see a troon in the waiting room.

(And have to worry about getting sued if they do the ethically correct thing and say: “Sorry, I can’t help you! You need to talk to a surgeon or a urologist. Not a gyno!”)

 

[Gar For Archer]

We have to give the FtMs one thing: none of these erectile devices were designed and produced for their aftermarket flesh socks.

Natal men are very, very into the ability to manifest or approximate an erection, and ED tends to hit in the late-midlife crisis, money-to-burn years. No expense spared.

….but, like, they ARE produced for flesh socks, no? Real penises don’t have the space inside to install a fucking pump and real men can just use viagra instead of getting some horrific cyberdong.

 

[Fapcop]

We have to give the FtMs one thing: none of these erectile devices were designed and produced for their aftermarket flesh socks.

Natal men are very, very into the ability to manifest or approximate an erection, and ED tends to hit in the late-midlife crisis, money-to-burn years. No expense spared.

Oh trust me... If old, horny millionaires hadn’t created a market, the troons would have!

I really don’t know what’s crazier... Having titanium rods inserted your meat sock.

Or extending your fucking urethra so you can... Do the same thing a 100$ fake dick and cup thing makes possible.

It’s like these people know fuck all about biology and how sensitive something like the urethra is.

Maybe, just maybe there’s a reason why urinary tract infections are common in both men and women and can potentially be serious?

Nah, let’s just extend that fucker as if we’re talking about a garden hose. What on earth could go wrong?!?

….but, like, they ARE produced for flesh socks, no? Real penises don’t have the space inside to install a fucking pump and real men can just use viagra instead of getting some horrific cyberdong.

You make space silly!

Viagra is a pretty new invention, and doesn’t always work. (And can have potential sideeffects)

The erecto-matic dick was invented back in the 70ies as I recall.

 

[Czechem Republic]

They also laugh at white, middle class woke idiots and have a special derogatory word for them, which escapes me rn.

Baizuo (白左) - Literally 'white left'

Based on Zhihu definitions reported by Chenchen Zhang (2017), the “white leftists” depicted by this word are stereotypically well-educated but naive and hypocritical Westerners who “only care about topics such as immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment” and who advocate a welfare state which “benefits only the idle and the free riders”, motivated by the desire to “satisfy their own feeling of moral superiority”. The implication is an “ignorant and arrogant” Western-centric attitude with the unspoken assumption that only Western liberal societies are worth living in.

based

 

[Hurgle Blurk]

But hey! Good news everyone! According to the good doctor: “our complication rates are satisfyingly low”. What does “satisfyingly low” mean? Less than 50%? Less than other 12 hour surgeries?

The complication rates with surgeries of this sort of are essentially impossible to know. The most popular "doctors" are not disposed to record any of those numbers, and are interested in patient feedback only when it comes in the form of glowing testimonials to attract the next round of patients. In the 80s, when legitimate institutions were doing these operations*, patients so rarely responded to inquiries as regarded satisfaction and complications that they stopped sending them out entirely. Shockingly, some patients never even bothered with post-surgical appointments.

There also isn't a great deal of formal material on them. Only in the past few years, after decades of performing these surgeries, has anyone submitted material to journals about them, and, of course, many are flawed and biased in the expected ways**. The reality is, this is not "medicine" as anyone from an earlier era would know it. It is closer to some sort of guild, protecting trade secrets for fear that another surgeon might offer the same procedure and steal away a segment of their business.

* Many of them stopped offering the procedure during the 1980s. No improvement in patient outcome was ever found; rates of suicide and depression remained the same. In my, very anecdotal, experience, depression seems to, if anything, increase following reassignment, especially with AGPs. Driven entirely by sexual fulfillment, yet having removed the greater part of their ability to feel arousal, many of them are confronted with the realities of what they have done. HSTS are a sadder case.

** There was an excellent study examining the microbiome of post-surgical neovaginas in TIM patients. The authors felt compelled to mention the intense odor; examination of the floral revealed it to be essentially nothing but intestinal microbes.

 

[deso2y]

Did Jessica Alves reach the 6th Bogstage? How did he attain such Boglightenment?

 

[Gaia Soraka]

Repost from the Adea Danielle thread, since I thought this would fit here.

New image of Daniel's neovagina immediately post-op just dropped.

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Holy shit.
No wonder he had a mental breakdown when he saw it for the first time. There was never any hope for him to heal properly after this, much less have it look like a normal vulva. Jesus Christ, what actual butchery.
I do feel like he deserves it for the way he treats women, but that's my own opinion.

 

[sanguis draconis]

'Supertucci' is not quite as verifiable but his comment history is consistent and he claims to be a urologist:

Hmmm, so we're talking about a supposed urologist on reddit going by "supertucci" and just a page later @Falling Star drops another masterpiece of investigative journalism with an horror perpetrated by a man called "Dr. Richard Santucci", coincidentally also an urologist and surgeon that works with genital mutilation and, wouldn't you know, they both seem to be living in Austin. What an interesting coincidence!

 

[Lathe]

“examination of the floral revealed it to be essentially nothing but intestinal microbes.”

Literal shit pussy. Considering a complication of these surgeries is perforation of the rectum from the neovagina side, I’m not surprised.