The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Noir drag freak]

Just because some black leaders collaborated with racists doesn't mean that those racists weren't racists.

I wasn't arguing about whether or not the eugenicist were racist. I was trying to make two points. One, that most if not all the prominent people in the Anglo-sphere were influenced by the eugenics movement. Two, that black people won't mindless sheep that were being victimized. As a black person, I find that bring up racism when it comes to debates like this weakens your argument. To me, it denies black people their agency as actors in history and society.

Eugenics mostly targeted poor people and people who weren't native Protestant anglophones as a whole. It also was a status game among the managerial and business classes.

 

[Lemmingwise]

@1440p Curved Monitor

But let's assume that this woman, who I'll call Stacy

Lmao. Have to laugh at your name choice.

Yeah you're not telling me anything new in your post, besides some texas logistics that I'm unfamiliar with.

Anyone that can't tell when their gf is ovulating is not very perceptive. It exhibited differently for the different women I've dated, but it was never hard to tell. Studies on this have also shown the modified behaviour, like unconscious choice to dress sexier/shorter skirt and things like that around ovulation. In my limited sample of women, about half are much more enthusiastic about sex in the days around ovulation.

For women to observe when they ovulate in themselves is even easier.

If I wanted to steelman your argument you should also incorporate irregular cycles for maximum plausible deniability on noticing late cycles.

There are also a number of solutions to this; a simple one is testing for pregnancy more frequently when sexually active. A 2 minute activity once a month to give yourself an extra 2 weeks and make planning it a breeze. Preparing to kill your baby in less time it takes than clipping your nails.

Yes, you may note that I am giving my opinion on the matter.

And your worst case also ignores any of the early pregnancy symptoms that usually precede a non-menstruation due to pregnancy.

And you can't call in sick for two days in a row in the US without losing your job?

 

[1440p Curved Monitor]

@Lemmingwise
Oh I agree, the solution to this is more pregnancy testing if you're sexually active. If you're careful then it should be avoidable. I personally am pro abortion, as shit happens, but it should be a last resort.

But your knowledge of how pregnancy tests work is misguided. It takes about a week to a week and a half for a woman's body to develop detectable HCG levels to pass a pregnancy test, so therefore she can't take it as soon as she has sex. Assuming a 28 day cycle, the earliest Stacy can do it is on day 21, and even then the test may give a false negative. So the guideline is to wait until you think your period is late as you will have the best confirmation.

I've mentioned it before, but PMS symptoms are very similar to early pregnancy symptoms. Stacy may actually be duped by them because one early pregnancy symptom is light bleeding and she may conclude that it's the start of her period. It usually lasts for about 2 days and isn't enough to fill a pad, so when that stops she'll have her suspicions. But that occurs at 1.5-2 weeks after conception, which places her at the end of week 4, so that still isn't a lot of time.

Unless Stacy has had kids before and knows how her body reacts to a pregnancy or she's very meticulous about her cycle, its unlikely that she'll know by the end of week 4. Most women just keep track of their period by using a basic period app tracker. I've never heard of a woman my age (early/mid 20s) tracking their mood with them unless she's trying real hard to get pregnant.

And you can't call in sick for two days in a row in the US without losing your job?

Personally, I can, but consider the average woman getting an abortion. She is not financially prepared to have a child. This isn't conjecture: lower class women are more likely to have abortions as they get pregnant way more often that middle class women. It's harder for lower income people to take days off work, I'm sure I don't have to explain that point. The core issue here is that there is a lack of sex education and contraceptive access for these women. Ultimately, I'd prefer it if there is a world where abortion isn't necessary, but the way to go about that is to get rid of the need for abortions by providing easier access to contraceptives and education, not stop abortions themselves.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

@1440p Curved Monitor

Ultimately, I'd prefer it if there is a world where abortion isn't necessary, but the way to go about that is to get rid of the need for abortions by providing easier access to contraceptives and education, not stop abortions themselves.

Like I've said, Bill Clinton is a douche, but he was right when he said "keep abortion safe, legal and rare". The way to do that is to increase access to cheap or free birth control and sexual education. Yet Texas isn't doing that because it's run by evangelical retards

 

[Lemmingwise]

@1440p Curved Monitor

But your knowledge of how pregnancy tests work is misguided. It takes about a week to a week and a half for a woman's body to develop detectable HCG levels to pass a pregnancy test, so therefore she can't take it as soon as she has sex. Assuming a 28 day cycle, the earliest Stacy can do it is on day 21, and even then the test may give a false negative. So the guideline is to wait until you think your period is late as you will have the best confirmation.

Obviously you have false positives and negatives, but even if you extend it to two weeks, you'll still have much more time than 1 week to arrange your stem cell harvesting procedure.

Like I've said, Bill Clinton is a douche, but he was right when he said "keep abortion safe, legal and rare". The way to do that is to increase access to cheap or free birth control and sexual education.

Yes, we all know the best way to keep something rare, is to make it free and universally available. That's why government strategies to disarm their population is to make guns free and universally available.

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Had to laugh when I saw this:

 

[1440p Curved Monitor]

@Lemmingwise

Obviously you have false positives and negatives, but even if you extend it to two weeks, you'll still have much more time than 1 week to arrange your stem cell harvesting procedure.

As I mentioned before, there's only 21 clinics in Texas, over 90% of counties do not have an clinic, and over 40% of fertile women don't live in a country that has a clinic. It is unlikely that a woman would be able to schedule two appointments within two weeks to have an abortion because of how low the ability is. She has better chances going to another state even if that state has the same ratio of clinics per population as the legality window is wider. Take the Planned Parenthood that does in Austin. As of writing the next available appointment the only one time slot at 1pm on 9/15, a week and a half from today. After the mandatory 24hr wait (no less, so 12pm on 9/16 ain't good) she now has 3-4 days to get the second appointment if she has the most lenient constraint of 2 weeks. Unfortunately I can't see the next appointments after the one on 9/15, but usually if there is one appointment available on a day it's because someone cancelled and it's likely that the upcoming days will be sparse. Logistically, it is extremely difficult to schedule two appointments in two weeks, let alone a week to a week and a half, the time period that most women would have.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Who cares? Removing a woman's body autonomy is stupid.


You expect women to take a pregnant test every week if they're having sex? Why don't these laws go after the guy who gets them pregnant, too?

You libtards are so fucking stupid it hurts. You can't stay logically consistent even on one page, within a few posts you contradict yourself.

You can't support the phrase "keep abortion safe, legal and rare" and then in the next breath say "women who whore around a lot unprotected can't be bothered to take a test a few times a month".

I don't even think early abortion should be legal anyway, but your entire position is basically "women have zero responsibility whatsoever and should be allowed unlimited free* abortions up to the last day".

You don't support "safe, legal, rare", you're a liar, because keeping it rare means taking precautions to avoid the situation in the first place. Yet you think even a simple test here and there is just too great a burden lmao

Now get mad and call me names because your bullshit has been called out.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

@SSj_Ness (it won't let me quote)

You libtards are so fucking stupid it hurts. You can't stay logically consistent even on one page, within a few posts you contradict yourself.

You can't support the phrase "keep abortion safe, legal and rare" and then in the next breath say "women who whore around a lot unprotected can't be bothered to take a test a few times a month".

I don't even think early abortion should be legal anyway, but your entire position is basically "women have zero responsibility whatsoever and should be allowed unlimited free* abortions up to the last day".

You don't support "safe, legal, rare", you're a liar, because keeping it rare means taking precautions to avoid the situation in the first place. Yet you think even a simple test here and there is just too great a burden lmao

Now get mad and call me names because your bullshit has been called out.

How is that logically inconsistent? I have been pretty consistently saying they should expand access to birth control, too. However, birth control can fail and accidents do happen.

There are also birth control methods that don't require a daily pill or whatever, like the IUD, the shot, or the patch.

Oh, and even if a woman does take a pregnancy test every day, she probably won't be able to get the abortion scheduled already because she would only have a week or two at the most and those clinics may not have appointments. Texas only has something like 2 abortion clinics for the whole state.

Feetloaf, your crippling autism is showing again by making up points that are just incredibly autistic.

Since you're cool with removing women's body autonomy, would you be for a law to make men get a vasectomy at birth? After all, they can be reversed and it would definitely help reduce abortions. I am guessing you're also for mandatory vaccination, since that would save a lot more lives than outlawing abortion. I am guessing you also are for mandatory blood and organ donation, too. After all, if we are removing body autonomy to prevent deaths (using your word, not mine), why stop at abortion?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

@Hollywood Hulk Hogan

Let's keep it simple for you. You're against every measure to keep abortion rare. You make up excuses like "waaaah there's only two baby murder centers" but don't actually think of ways to prevent or limit unnecessary abortion. The only thing you're concerned with is "increased access" to "*free abortion".

Let's actually hear ways you support making abortion rare. Otherwise, drop the charade and just say you support "safe and legal" abortion.

This Feetloaf dude really got to you, huh? He's good in my book, then.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

@Hollywood Hulk Hogan

Let's keep it simple for you. You're against every measure to keep abortion rare. You make up excuses like "waaaah there's only two baby murder centers" but don't actually think of ways to prevent or limit unnecessary abortion. The only thing you're concerned with is "increased access" to "*free abortion".

Let's actually hear ways you support making abortion rare. Otherwise, drop the charade and just say you support "safe and legal" abortion.

You make abortion rare by expanding access to birth control and sex education, which I have consistently been for in this thread.

This Feetloaf dude really got to you, huh? He's good in my book, then.

You and he have the exact same posting style, post the same things, and are both autisticly obsessed with making abortion completely illegal. This time you aren't stupid enough to admit you're ban evading, so at least you're learning.

 

[Hüftpriester]

Let's say a slut is on her way to get an abortion in any major city in America. Just before she gets to the clinic, she finds herself caught in the middle of a gang shootout and unfortunately dies. Would the person of color responsible for her death be charged with a double homicide? Keep in mind that the right to have gang shootouts in broad daylight is enshrined in the 2nd Amendment of our constitution. Plus the woman was on her way to terminate the pregnancy anyway. So I think the charge would just be manslaughter.

But haven't there been cases in which a pregnant woman is murdered and the perp gets charged with a double homicide? In these cases, does it matter how far along the pregnancy is?

Another hypothetical example to consider: a racist white anti-vaxxer kills an empowered businesswoman of color who is 2 weeks pregnant with the intention of having the baby. Would he be charged with a double homicide? Or is it still just a cluster of cells that this point?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Let's say a slut is on her way to get an abortion in any major city in America. Just before she gets to the clinic, she finds herself caught in the middle of a gang shootout and unfortunately dies. Would the person of color responsible for her death be charged with a double homicide? Keep in mind that the right to have gang shootouts in broad daylight is enshrined in the 2nd Amendment of our constitution. Plus the woman was on her way to terminate the pregnancy anyway. So I think the charge would just be manslaughter.

But haven't there been cases in which a pregnant woman is murdered and the perp gets charged with a double homicide? In these cases, does it matter how far along the pregnancy is?

Another hypothetical example to consider: a racist white anti-vaxxer kills an empowered businesswoman of color who is 2 weeks pregnant with the intention of having the baby. Would he be charged with a double homicide? Or is it still just a cluster of cells that this point?

I think being charged with a double homicide in those cases is stupid, too

No idea why you hate women who have sex so much. You will need one if you ever want to lose your virginity

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Hollywood Hulk Hogan​

virginity bad

double penetration creampie good

No idea why you hate unborn babies so much. You need to take responsibility in life eventually.

 

[Hüftpriester]

No idea why you hate women who have sex so much

HHH, I don't hate anyone but I don't respect women when they don't respect themselves. That's why I'm pro-abortion while you seem to just be pro-choice. I want abortions to be safe, legal and plentiful because of the eugenic effect. I know it might offend the women you support on onlyfans but once they remove themselves from the genepool, humanity will be very much improved.

 

[Freya]

A blessing on anyone who seizes your babies and smashes them against a rock!- Psalm 137:9

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

You make abortion rare by expanding access to birth control and sex education, which I have consistently been for in this thread.

I'm not necessarily against those, I sort of consider them the lesser of two evils. That's just not enough though. Preventative methods are good, but restrictive measures are needed as well. It's stupid to pretend unlimited free access to abortions for any and all reasons is necessary. We don't even have unlimited free access to absolute free speech or gun ownership with no questions asked, common sense limitations on things aren't bad. And those are actual, undebatable Constitutional rights, unlike flimsy at best abortion rights.

But you'll still autistically screech for the right of a woman to kill her kid at any point just because she simply didn't want to prevent the pregnancy and just doesn't want the kid despite being fully able to care for it (or give it up to adoption, and don't give me that "foster care is worse than Holocaust concentration camps so they're better off dead anyway" shit).

Yes, yes, every man who even questions abortions is a misogynist, or is an incel, or is a misogynistic incel, or a Nazi, or a Nazi incel, or whatever dogshit retard bullshit you you want to say. The women who oppose it must be misogynistic incel retard Nazis too, naturally.

Too bad we can't scan for who supports abortion, then we could just abort them and be done with this.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I'm not necessarily against those, I sort of consider them the lesser of two evils. That's just not enough though. Preventative methods are good, but restrictive measures are needed as well. It's stupid to pretend unlimited free access to abortions for any and all reasons is necessary. We don't even have unlimited free access to absolute free speech or gun ownership with no questions asked, common sense limitations on things aren't bad. And those are actual, undebatable Constitutional rights, unlike flimsy at best abortion rights.

But you'll still autistically screech for the right of a woman to kill her kid at any point just because she simply didn't want to prevent the pregnancy and just doesn't want the kid despite being fully able to care for it (or give it up to adoption, and don't give me that "foster care is worse than Holocaust concentration camps so they're better off dead anyway" shit).

Doesn't matter, it's her body, her choice. You are wanting to remove one's body autonomy. so thus, you are also arguing that blood and organ donation should be mandatory. You probably are also cool with Biden's vaccine mandate, right? After all, you don't care about body autonomy.

Plus, it's not killing a kid any more than spanking one is killing a kid or setting a brick down is building a house.

Yes, yes, every man who even questions abortions is a misogynist, or is an incel, or is a misogynistic incel, or a Nazi, or a Nazi incel, or whatever dogshit retard bullshit you you want to say. The women who oppose it must be misogynistic incel retard Nazis too, naturally.

It's pretty obvious you're a virgin, dude. On your previous accounts you admitted that crippling autism has made your sex drive non-existent.

Too bad we can't scan for who supports abortion, then we could just abort them and be done with this.

I'd rather us scan for evangelical retards with a Puritcanical boomer mindset like you and abort them, but the Hulkster never gets what he wants

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Doesn't matter, it's her body, her choice. You are wanting to remove one's body autonomy. so thus, you are also arguing that blood and organ donation should be mandatory. You probably are also cool with Biden's vaccine mandate, right? After all, you don't care about body autonomy.

Plus, it's not killing a kid any more than spanking one is killing a kid or setting a brick down is building a house.

It's pretty obvious you're a virgin, dude. On your previous accounts you admitted that crippling autism has made your sex drive non-existent.

I'd rather us scan for evangelical retards with a Puritcanical boomer mindset like you and abort them, but the Hulkster never gets what he wants.

The baby isn't her body. And it does matter, we have restrictions on every right, abortion shouldn't be a special exception unless you believe the same about speech and guns, which you don't.

Apples and oranges, a growing baby isn't a placed brick.

You're really not going to let go of this Feetloaf thing, are you?

Then you'd be left with nothing but libtards and nobody to keep society afloat.

Formatting is fucked up because I made a typo while manually quoting you since the damn reply function is missing.

 

[Atomic Ant]

 

[Quiet Guy]

Science trumps religion. Therefore, the study I linked to is more reliable. The author of your study uses his Catholicism to justify what he wrote.

You can't disregard a claim just because you don't agree with his general stance. If his claims are false, then they can be discounted, but if they are true, then there may be considerable flaws with the study that could affect its conclusion. You also, seem rather dismissive of religion. Aren't many physicists religious or philosophical?