Furry Fandom and Drama General

[The Lizard Queen]

This is a question the furries artists here, what the most bizarre request you ever done or was ask to do?

I used to work for a publisher, and did some freelance editing on the side.
The publisher would occasionally get fictional works with a fetish bend to them. Transformation being quite common. Most of these got rejected, but every now and then one would slip through for a niche market. Usually something about werewolves.

The freelance jobs, on the other hand, I've never seen one of them go to market. Probably because they were universally fetish driven. I had to read several books that were basically furry porn. The one that sticks out the most in my mind was some kind of Sci-fi novel, where the setting was a fictional planet where slavery was totes ok because the slaves were mutants, and all furries of varying degrees of anthropomorphism. The main character was a worker slave wolf that was forced to became a sex slave, and eventually went through a process where they were made "beautiful" through several chapters of lovingly detailed transformation porn. The wolf slave was basically turned into a shemale.
The author did not intend for this work to be considered erotica. She thought she was writing honest Sci-fi suitable for a young adult audience.

 

[lolwut]

I used to work for a publisher, and did some freelance editing on the side.
The publisher would occasionally get fictional works with a fetish bend to them. Transformation being quite common. Most of these got rejected, but every now and then one would slip through for a niche market. Usually something about werewolves.

The freelance jobs, on the other hand, I've never seen one of them go to market. Probably because they were universally fetish driven. I had to read several books that were basically furry porn. The one that sticks out the most in my mind was some kind of Sci-fi novel, where the setting was a fictional planet where slavery was totes ok because the slaves were mutants, and all furries of varying degrees of anthropomorphism. The main character was a worker slave wolf that was forced to became a sex slave, and eventually went through a process where they were made "beautiful" through several chapters of lovingly detailed transformation porn. The wolf slave was basically turned into a shemale.
The author did not intend for this work to be considered erotica. She thought she was writing honest Sci-fi suitable for a young adult audience.

That actually reminds me of a book some friends of mine and I found in the school library in grade school. It was some sci-fi book where humans had a kind of aristocracy in place to oppress the furries. The book opened with a torture porn scene of these human siblings straight up murdering a furry in a public bathroom for kicks. Eventually the brother and sister somehow got ostracism by the humans (not for the murder, that was fine with everybody) and go to live with the furries in some third world shithole where they fall in love with the barn yard animals poor oppressed furries and help rebel against mankind like the filthy heretics they both were.

There was also a touchy-feely part where the two kids (I think they were in their teens, but don't quote me on that) were discriminated against by the furries for being normal until they all realized (through graphic sex scenes too mature for a grade school library) that they weren't so different after all.

That was mine and my friends' first ever encounter with furries. I recall feeling really disappointed that the beasts with paw-hands that couldn't hold a rifle somehow held off the technologically superior human army that finally came to wipe them out at the end.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

That was mine and my friends' first ever encounter with furries. I recall feeling really disappointed that the beasts with paw-hands that couldn't hold a rifle somehow held off the technologically superior human army that finally came to wipe them out at the end.

I think a better ending would have been "North Korea invades and blows up everyone, The End."

Just sayin'.

 

[ArmedBlueReploid]

I have a beautiful story that several kiwis were there to witness and it was the funniest shit for like 3 months
K so I was doing a request stream with a bunch of kiwis including Null, Katsu and some other people like I think there was 3 other people there in a skype call not including me. Some dude came in and gave me this incredibly specific request. He literally sent me this to draw "Draw Maid Marian (from the Disney Robin Hood) and Skippy (some rabbit kid from the same movie) playing NO DIRTY STUFF but Maid Marian has been shrunken down to Skippy's size and all her clothes are too big and her shoes are floppy because they don't fit her feet.
This is what I dun did

Spoiler: Bizzaro Shit

I tried to emulate the look of the rabbit kid's eyes and ears but it just looks weird as fuck

I totally knew it was a fetish thing but everyone in the call was having fun laughing at thus guy and they were super obviously making fun of him and he didn't fucking notice and we were all laughing and having a good time

Suggestion: NEVER take requests.

 

[Watcher]

Apparently FurAffinity's forums broke away from FurAffinity's main site due to the IMVU buyout. And IMVU wasn't happy at all about it. They sent them a C&D lettter stating "data breach" as the reason.

Additionally the imgur archive featuring Dragoneer's fuckups, has been taken down as well

All I can assume is that IMVU is trying to clean up this mess made by Dragoneer realizing this shit is costing them ad revenue (and potential future premium memberships). I'm fairly sure IMVU is terrified of what PR nightmares will be found if someone were to investigate Dragoneer's PM inbox/outbox on the forums, which makes the forum takedown make perfect sense in this context.

A backup of Dragoneer's antics is up.
https://drive.google.com/folderview...NUSFNMdjRCV1k3bTNTc1Z5SWRVV1pSM1ZObC1lZ0R1U1E

 

[Reddit Avenger]

Apparently FurAffinity's forums broke away from FurAffinity's main site due to the IMVU buyout. And IMVU wasn't happy at all about it. They sent them a C&D lettter stating "data breach" as the reason.

Additionally the imgur archive featuring Dragoneer's fuckups, has been taken down as well

All I can assume is that IMVU is trying to clean up this mess made by Dragoneer realizing this shit is costing them ad revenue (and potential future premium memberships). I'm fairly sure IMVU is terrified of what PR nightmares will be found if someone were to investigate Dragoneer's PM inbox/outbox on the forums, which makes the forum takedown make perfect sense in this context.

A backup of Dragoneer's antics is up.
https://drive.google.com/folderview...NUSFNMdjRCV1k3bTNTc1Z5SWRVV1pSM1ZObC1lZ0R1U1E

It's gonna be hard not to powerlevel a little here due to certain things, but I can give a little bit of context and history about the forums here.

The FA forums have had a very bad reputation with the general FA populous for a long time, mostly due to claims of its 'culture' being hostile and filled with assholes. Also its lead administrator is the lovable dog rapist Chase, who is especially loathed by virtually everyone for his puppy pounding and just being an overall horrible human being. Despite his position, he never really did anything or post at all in fear of being lynched the moment he shows himself outside of an announcement or two. Basically anti-Null.

Around one month ago as some will know, one of the forum's mods leaked some information and naturally, got banned by good ol' Dragoneer for his efforts. The whole incident prompted Dragoneer to ask for each remaining mod to sign an NDA, basically giving the most responsible man in the world all of your personal information. In response all the mods walked out leaving the forums in a state of what was essentially complete anarchy as everyone shitposted into oblivion.

Eventually the former mods proposed that the forum be allowed to become its own independent entity with no direct ties to FA or Dragoneer. For whatever reason this was allowed and all links the forum, later re-branded as "Phoenix Forums" were removed from FA, completing FAF's divorce from the main site. The forum formerly known as FAF celebrated this fact and eventually business continued as usual, as everyone on the main site barely noticed, if at all.

One week later the site was suddenly 404'd without explanation leading into what we're witnessing now. I know many of the mods and from what I've gathered they know more or less as much as we do, although there's apparently reason to believe that FA is trying to get the forums back for reasons only known to Dragoneer and IMVU.

If I learn anything new, or I screwed up somehow I'll update this since I need to go to sleep.

 

[Watcher]

There's a web archive circulating around about FAForums's take on the situation.

https://web.archive.org/web/2015090...nity.net/threads/1535953-Future-for-FA-Forums

It's interesting to note that splitting from FA was something the users actually voted upon.

There's another archive circulating summarizing the events since August.

https://web.archive.org/web/2015082...ff-abandon-their-posts-future-forum-uncertain

And a journal that discusses it

https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/7059084/

For those who don't know, phoenix forums (formerly known as Fur Affinity Forums) seceded from the site, all ties cut lose, this was done 1-2 weeks ago, the agreement was that both entities would get a copy of the forum database to do as they please with, this agreement has been broken by FA/IMVU

reasons why you must leave:
*the site is owned by IMVU, no matter what anyone else tells you, its no longer dragoneers
*IMVU does not care about you unless you're making them money
*IMVU can and will shut this place down of it does not make them money
*none of the current staff care about you or its users, this is very evident.
*Despite all of the shit that Dragoneer and friends are causing, they WILL NOT acknowledge what's going on, their only method of fixing it is to hide it and shut people up.
*Dragoneer has been given a decade of chance after chance after chance repeatedly to not fuck up, he's done NOTHING but fuck up every chance.

 

[CatParty]

 

[JFKdestroyer]

Eventually the former mods proposed that the forum be allowed to become its own independent entity with no direct ties to FA or Dragoneer. For whatever reason this was allowed...

And there's the key factor here. FA Forums was NEVER owned or operated by FA. They were set up early on by a third party as "furaffinityforums.net"(probably during the first big hack right after the site went online) and over time became the quasi-"official" forums, despite the fact FurAffinity was not paying for the vBulletin license nor were they paying for the server it was hosted on (which actually was on Bad Dragon's network last I checked...) which is kind of funny since at any given time FA seems to have enough unused servers sitting around to run ten forums.

Something tells me IMVU didn't know this when they "bought" the site and were more or less pissed at Dragoneer for not telling them. I think FA would have gotten their own forum shortly after the sale had IMVU known, because as terrible as IMVU is, I think they're smart enough to know the MASSIVE security and legal risk you run when your site staff is discussing confidential user information on software you don't own on a server you don't have root access to.

 

[Splendid]

Somehow I doubt Dragoneer is smart enough to install vBulletin.

 

[Super Collie]

Came into this thread to rap about exactly this situation with FA, looks like I got beaten by other furfags. Full disclosure, I bailed from FA a long, long time ago. I remember when the site was new and shiny and everyone on the furry Livejournal communities were going crazy over it and were so excited and optimistic. It's so strange and sad to see this once-celebrated relic literally come crashing down in flames. I guess it's a textbook case study in how selling out can and will absolutely demolish a community because "corporate anything" has one of the most extremely negative connotations of any phrase in the English language.

FA really went from beacon to blight in only a few years once it was discovered that Dragoneer really had no fucking clue what he was doing. I've chirped about this numerous times before in posts where we talked about recent major hacks on FA as well as that .onion site that had been passively archiving everything on the site for a whole fucking decade, but Neer only knew "enough" about servers to do the least amount of work possible in keeping the site online. Every incident was met with a bandage or bubblegum and tape solution, only covering the hole and never addressing the bigger issue. This is probably because server management on the website was generally passed off to one of the other ever-changing administrators.

What's unfortunate is that the people who cared about FA the most really had no power to change the course or direction of the site. Despite it having become "the fandom's DeviantArt", there are were some extremely talented people there and a lot of the fandom's most popular artists today became notable due to FA. It's easy to forget, but FA was literally the VCL killer when it launched in 2005. Dragoneer was always about getting paid though, and for doing the least amount o work possible, so that's why the site was always having donation drives and it's why Neer eventually just wrote it off to IMVU for one final settlement. I guess after 10 years he knew that the ride was coming to an end, and while I don't blame him for cashing out (because who wouldn't?) it was still a shitty thing to do.

I mean, IMVU. Come the fuck on. You might as well have sold the site to fucking Roblox.

 

[Watcher]

I mean, IMVU. Come the fuck on. You might as well have sold the site to fucking Roblox.

I'dve respected him a lot more if he came clean to the community and told everyone the truth. He didn't reveal the IMVU buyout until months after he signed it when it would begin to take effect.

 

[Reddit Avenger]

I'dve respected him a lot more if he came clean to the community and told everyone the truth. He didn't reveal the IMVU buyout until months after he signed it when it would begin to take effect.

He's had 10 fucking years to be transparent. At this point anything would just be too little too late.

 

[José Mourinho]

it's not a phase mom

 

[Trilby]

He's had 10 fucking years to be transparent. At this point anything would just be too little too late.

The internet pretty much follows the law of the jungle, kill or be killed.

 

[AnOminous]

I'dve respected him a lot more if he came clean to the community and told everyone the truth. He didn't reveal the IMVU buyout until months after he signed it when it would begin to take effect.

IMVU is also retarded as fuck for not being proactive about it well before it would take effect, and apparently not even knowing what they bought. Don't they have lawyers for that kind of shit? If so, their lawyers are retarded, too.

They apparently thought they were buying the forums, which didn't even belong to Dragoneer to sell, apparently. You can't sell what you don't own.

I'd make a wild guess the community will burn the place to the ground rather than stick around.

 

[Watcher]

I'd make a wild guess the community will burn the place to the ground rather than stick around.

Most of the community has stayed mostly because the IMVU takeover hasn't really changed very much for the users. A lot of the more principled users have left to other art sites. To them it's like if DeviantArt was bought by Microsoft, nobody would really stop using it.

 

[Trilby]

Most of the community has stayed mostly because the IMVU takeover hasn't really changed very much for the users. A lot of the more principled users have left to other art sites. To them it's like if DeviantArt was bought by Microsoft, nobody would really stop using it.

There are schools of thought there with it being split among certain users. I still know a few artists on FA who hadn't made the exodus as much as simply open up a few other places they could be found in in case they changed their minds.

 

[AnOminous]

To them it's like if DeviantArt was bought by Microsoft, nobody would really stop using it.

Microsoft is scummy but competent. IMVU will fuck things up eventually, once they figure out what they're going to do.

 

[Billy_Sama]

Came into this thread to rap about exactly this situation with FA, looks like I got beaten by other furfags. Full disclosure, I bailed from FA a long, long time ago. I remember when the site was new and shiny and everyone on the furry Livejournal communities were going crazy over it and were so excited and optimistic. It's so strange and sad to see this once-celebrated relic literally come crashing down in flames. I guess it's a textbook case study in how selling out can and will absolutely demolish a community because "corporate anything" has one of the most extremely negative connotations of any phrase in the English language.

I am surprised that website lasted that long due to the flaky nature and the social ineptitude of furries