MyPal browser is dead - Licensing spergfest kills browser for Windows XP

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Wally said:
You can literally replace the 2K kernel with a patched kernel which provides many XP kernel functions re-implemented. Fan made updates to 2K continue to this day on MSFN.
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Same thing with Windows 98.
Kernel EX has gotten to the point that you can run a special version of Firefox 47 on Win98se. Its very bizarre browsing the semi-modern web on a 98 shit box.
 
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After demonizing MSFN members and Windows XP users, Tobin has now resorted to arguing with them on GitHub and they aren't taking any shit from him or any of the Pale Moon devs.

During this mess Tobin had a mental breakdown and posted this little gem of a rant:

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I've been searching the interweb for similar cases to see just how plausible this "revocation" thing is. It seems like the highest-profile analogue, which actually made it into real-life courts, is that of Patrick McHardy.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-beats-internal-legal-threat/
http://laforge.gnumonks.org/blog/20180307-mchardy-gpl/
https://www.zdnet.com/article/what-happens-if-you-try-to-take-your-code-out-of-linux/
https://www.synopsys.com/blogs/software-security/gplv2-right-to-cure/
https://gplcc.github.io/gplcc/

It seems like at least in Germany, courts were unsympathetic to these claims, but not entirely dismissive. The defendants admitted outright that the GPL had been violated, but McHardy backed down rather than going full autist on proving his "authorship" in court, under cross-examination, for each diff. Probably doesn't make sense when you're paying a lawyer by the minute. But the argument itself was never rejected - it seems like it would still be possible to make a successful claim of some sort if you were willing and able to prove it.

The general consensus seems to be that you can't revoke your license just because you're buttmad on the internet (I found a few cases like this that amounted to nothing), but as soon as you find one comma out of place that genuinely breaks GPL compliance, it's off to the races. It seems like there's no real solution to this problem - abusive enforcement of GPLv2 (and derivatives like the Mozilla Public License) apparently can't be stopped unless you get contributors to sign away their rights (as the FSF does, for example) when committing. The only countermeasures are social: encouraging developers to sign on to things like GPLCC, using newer licenses like GPLv3 that are less abusable, and ostracizing any big-name developer who tries to pull stunts like this.

Point is: Windows XP is for lolcows, but license abuse is apparently a real thing. If you're working on code that might reach public eyes, read the fine print and understand it.

Incidentally, I think I once saw some Wikipedia lolcows try something similar once - Wikipedia pages used to be licensed under the GFDL which had similar termination provisions, before they transitioned (so to speak) to Creative Commons. I wonder how that turned out.
 
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I used Pale Moon for a bit since I don't really care who the people making it are if the product is good and if they don't throw their politics/orientations/whatever at me. It's a bad browser though. It used to be quite a bit faster than firefox when firefox was a shitshow back when they made these huge sweeping changes but all those advantages have evaporated by now and it's in fact quite a bit slower than firefox now. Quite a few websites also are broken with it because the creator(s) are autists who will rather stomp their feet and say no than to implement cludges to make them work. It's a real pity since we do need more browsers and a future where google's engine is all there is would be very bad for everyone and pale moon is one of the few forks that isn't just a reskin of a different browser engine but actually removed itself from the original browser by quite a margin.

Wally said:
Literally just retro pc gaming. XP is the last version of windows to keep good support for both newer and older titles. Interestingly, far more effort has been put into keeping 2K going and unpozzed than has XP. You can literally replace the 2K kernel with a patched kernel which provides many XP kernel functions re-implemented. Fan made updates to 2K continue to this day on MSFN.
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If it's not about running the retro PCs themselves (which is a perfectly valid and fun goal) Linux and WINE are very good at running stuff from the 9x/2000 era, a lot better than actual windows. If you want to run such software on a modern computer, Linux is worth a try.
 
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Regular Pale Moon suck ass. It's very slow and unstable in comparison to Firefox or Chrome. Those unofficial forks actually made it more stable and actually usable on those unsupported OSs.

By the way, Moonchild Production decided to block off their website and addon page to the users of those forks. If you need to access their site just spoof the browser's user agent to circumvent the block.

One more thing - I won't be surprised if that fatso Matt Tobin decides to register here and start sperging in this thread. It already happened before, so it's just a matter of time.
 
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I currently use Librewolf or TOR browser, and only fall back to stock Firefox, because I'm sick and fucking tired of browser hopping. I'll just circumnavigate issues instead of going to extremes. Anyways I used Pale Moon on my Pi and it offered nothing spectacular compared to even the pathetically broken Firefox ESR.
 
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Kot Johansson said:
After demonizing MSFN members and Windows XP users, Tobin has now resorted to arguing with them on GitHub and they aren't taking any shit from him or any of the Pale Moon devs.

During this mess Tobin had a mental breakdown and posted this little gem of a rant:

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Imagine having to eBeg for a monitor. You can get 4:3 monitors for like $5 at surplus. 800 x 600 should be good enough for someone developing a browser that looks like Firefox 3. There is no reason to use Pale Moon when SeaMonkey exists except for running Flash Player.

"No you don't understand, I get off to having a broken web experience"
 
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>a harmless Ukrainian man decides he wants to make the internet a safer, more usable experience for people who, for whatever reason, find themselves using an unsupported OS
>forks a FOSS browser to give those people a modern, mostly up-to-date web experience
>posts the source code online, but, apparently, doesn't post it in an "easy" enough place for the devs of the original browser
>said devs proceed to bully him into dropping his project while threatening legal action
we live in a society
419 said:
more like Male Poon LMFAOOOOOOO
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