Plagued COVID Conspiracy Theorists and other idiots - This is not a political thunderdome or gay slapfight thread.

Merck's clinical trial did not go well and now they're telling people not to take ivermectin. But that's just big pharma lies fed to the sheeple obviously.
The Ivermectin crowd also completely ignores Dexamethasone.
A really cheap drug that's used a lot in the treatment of COVID patients and unlike Ivermectin there's solid evidence that it's an effective treatment.

But it doesn't have that completely ridiculous claim of being "100% effective at preventing COVID".
You don't even have to look at the study (and that study didn't even test Ivermectin alone but Ivermectin mixed with some other drug) to know that's bullshit. "100%" just doesn't happen in nature.
 
what really interests me about pandemic deniers is that so many of them are fundies or fundie-adjacent. they decry medical institutions and healthcare workers while also posturing all about how they have faith in god to save them instead, even though by their own logic it was god who put those things there to help them. it's literally just the drowning man parable on a global scale and the fact they can't see this just blows my fucking mind.

A fellow was stuck on his rooftop in a flood. He was praying to God for help.

Soon a man in a rowboat came by and the fellow shouted to the man on the roof, "Jump in, I can save you."

The stranded fellow shouted back, "No, it's OK, I'm praying to God and he is going to save me."

So the rowboat went on.

Then a motorboat came by. "The fellow in the motorboat shouted, "Jump in, I can save you."

To this the stranded man said, "No thanks, I'm praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith."

So the motorboat went on.

Then a helicopter came by and the pilot shouted down, "Grab this rope and I will lift you to safety."

To this the stranded man again replied, "No thanks, I'm praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith."

So the helicopter reluctantly flew away.

Soon the water rose above the rooftop and the man drowned. He went to Heaven. He finally got his chance to discuss this whole situation with God, at which point he exclaimed, "I had faith in you but you didn't save me, you let me drown. I don't understand why!"

To this God replied, "I sent you a rowboat and a motorboat and a helicopter, what more did you expect?"
In case you haven't noticed, many fundies think that faith alone is enough to protect them from any sort of danger or inconvenience. It's the legacy of the "Prosperity Gospel" which promises a comfortable life to anyone who believes in Jesus hard enough.
 
In case you haven't noticed, many fundies think that faith alone is enough to protect them from any sort of danger or inconvenience. It's the legacy of the "Prosperity Gospel" which promises a comfortable life to anyone who believes in Jesus hard enough.
oh trust me, i have noticed. i live right in the bible belt so i see this shit all the time. they live in a fantasy world completely separate from our own.
 
But it doesn't have that completely ridiculous claim of being "100% effective at preventing COVID".
You don't even have to look at the study (and that study didn't even test Ivermectin alone but Ivermectin mixed with some other drug) to know that's bullshit. "100%" just doesn't happen in nature.
They really love that study from India where ivermectin was given to nurses once a month. Experimental group had like a 7% infection rate and control group had a 80% infection rate. Or something like that.

That should throw up massive red flags immediately for multiple reasons.
 
They really love that study from India where ivermectin was given to nurses once a month. Experimental group had like a 7% infection rate and control group had a 80% infection rate. Or something like that.
The study I'm talking about is from Argentenia and that one literally claims 0% for the experimental group.
And this is the only study that claims any preventive effect.
 

Barred From Flying Over Mask Dispute, Lawmaker Asks to Be Excused From Senate​

An Alaska lawmaker has asked to be excused from legislative sessions until next year, saying she has no way to fly to the state capital after she was barred from Alaska Airlines for violating mask policies.
The lawmaker, Lora Reinbold, a Republican state senator, was captured on video in April arguing with employees at Juneau International Airport about mask rules.
After the confrontation, Alaska Airlines said it had notified Ms. Reinbold that she was “not permitted to fly with us for her continued refusal to comply with employee instruction regarding the current mask policy.”
Ms. Reinbold had previously complained about Alaska Airlines on Facebook, saying it was “part of mask tyranny.”
She had also been scolded by Alaska’s governor, Mike Dunleavy, a Republican, who accused her of spreading misinformation about the state’s response to the coronavirus pandemic and of having “abdicated the tenets of your oath as a public servant.”
Speaking on the floor of the Alaska State Senate on Thursday, Ms. Reinbold asked that she be excused from Senate business from Sept. 11 through Jan. 15 “because there’s no airline other than Alaska Airlines that flies into Juneau during that period that I’m aware of.”
“The political ban is still in place as long as Biden’s illegitimate mask mandate is in place on private and public transportation,” she told her colleagues.
The Republican-led Senate accepted her request without objection and indicated that she would be shown as “excused on those dates.”
Ms. Reinbold represents Eagle River, Alaska. If she cannot fly, a trip from her district to Juneau, the state capital, could require her to travel more than 19 hours by car and ferry, and to cross over the Canadian border.

Alaska Airlines said on Saturday that Ms. Reinbold had been told on April 24 that she was not permitted to fly on the airline.
“Since then, a review did happen and the suspension was upheld,” the airline said in a statement. It added that the suspension would remain in effect “while the federal mask policy is in place.”
Referring to a previous statement from April, Alaska Airlines said: “Federal law requires all guests to wear a mask over their nose and mouth at all times during travel, including throughout the flight, during boarding and deplaning, and while traveling through an airport.”
On Thursday, Ms. Reinbold defended her request to be excused from Senate business.
“To be excused does NOT mean you will not be here, it means the legislative process cannot be inhibited if you are not there,” she wrote on Facebook.
If the only major airline offering flights to Juneau “can unconstitutionally impede a legislators ability to get to the Capital in a safe and timely fashion,” she added, “it could undermine our representative republic.”
Last month, the Transportation Security Administration announced that it was extending the requirement that travelers in the United States wear masks at airports, on airplanes, and on commuter buses and trains through Jan. 18.
Mask mandates have become a major flash point on airplanes, contributing to a surge in unruly and sometimes violent behavior from passengers who refuse to comply.
The T.S.A. first announced in February that everyone — except children under 2 and people with some disabilities — would be required to wear masks on airplanes and in airports in the United States. The agency has received more than 4,000 reports of mask-related incidents since then.
On Thursday, President Biden announced that the agency would double fines for travelers who refused to wear masks in airports and on commercial airplanes. The minimum penalty for first-time offenders was raised to $500. Second-time mask refusers may be fined as much as $3,000.
“If you break the rules, be prepared to pay — and by the way, show some respect,” Mr. Biden said.
In the video that was posted on Twitter in April, Ms. Reinbold is seen at the airport in Juneau, wearing a mask but arguing with employees about it.
“We need you to pull the mask up, or I’m not going to let you on the flight,” an employee tells Ms. Reinbold.
“It is up,” Ms. Reinbold responds.
“It is not,” the employee says. “It’s down below your nose. We can’t have it down.”
It was not clear if Ms. Reinbold had been permitted on the flight. One of the videos shows her leaving the boarding area.
In March, Ms. Reinbold said on Facebook that she had been asked to leave a committee hearing because she was not wearing an approved face shield. After that, Ms. Reinbold was barred from the State Capitol until she complied with health and safety protocols. She later returned to the Capitol in a clear face mask.
“My actions are to protect my constitutional rights, including civil liberties and those who I represent, even under immense pressure and public scrutiny,” Ms. Reinbold wrote in March.
She did not immediately respond to requests for comment on Saturday.

 
~30% of the USA for the next month or so:

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If opinion polling is to be believed, around a quarter of Americans don't want to get vaccinated.

Opinion polls also indicate that:
  • 26% of Americans believe that the Sun orbits the Earth (source).
  • 28% of Americans believe that Bill Gates is using the Covid-19 vaccine to install microchips in people (source).
  • 24% of Americans believe that 5G mobile networks are responsible for cancer/Covid-19, and/or are part of a UN conspiracy to depopulate the planet (source).
  • 25% of Americans believe that the 2020 election was rigged (source).
  • 24% of Americans believe that QAnon claims are at least somewhat accurate (source).
Noticing a pattern here?

It would seem that the problem here is that around a quarter of the American population are either crazy or just plain stupid, and I don't think it's too much of a stretch to suggest that it's probably the same quarter who constitute all of the statistics above.
 
It would seem that the problem here is that around a quarter of the American population are either crazy or just plain stupid, and I don't think it's too much of a stretch to suggest that it's probably the same quarter who constitute all of the statistics above.
It's sort of like if you're a troon, you're probably also an autist, and have a Cluster B personality disorder, and fat and ugly too. These are co-morbidities. If you have mental disorders that cause you to believe any absolute bullshit some moron on the Internet says about COVID, you're probably susceptible to every other kind of dumb shit in the same vein that some moron on the Internet says.
 
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This genuinely confuses me. I never anticipated that there would be so much resistance to the vaccines. I new that the antivaxx movement was pretty prominent but I didn't know the scale of the movement.

Is it simply do to misunderstandings about the vaccine? I have seen some people express concern about the vaccines because it uses mRNA. Most vaccines contain inactivated or weakened versions of the virus. Some just use a subunit of a surface protein on the virus. The mRNA vaccines are just an additional step. Literally inject viral mRNA protected in a chemical shell, let your cells code for specific viral proteins, and let your immune system attack. The adenovirus vaccine does the same thing but uses a harmless version of the adenovirus as a vector to deliver the mRNA.

The mRNA wouldn't remain in the cell permanently, it is either used by ribosomes to code the protien or degraded by other proteins in the cell. MRNA can't integrate into your DNA, like retroviruses such as HIV. For that to happen, MRNA would need to come with certain proteins such as reverse transcriptase to create a DNA copy of the mRNA and integrase to integrate that DNA copy into your DNA. The vaccines have none of those proteins.

Other than that, the only other thing would be political differences due to the politicalization of this pandemic. You know, freedom to not get the vaccine. But if you are a student or work certian health jobs, other vaccines are already mandatory.

Welp, let's hope that the virus foesnt mutate into a varient that has the same fatality rate as Ebola, which is around 50%, I believe. If so, we will be so fucked. :stress:
 
Other than that, the only other thing would be political differences due to the politicalization of this pandemic. You know, freedom to not get the vaccine. But if you are a student or work certian health jobs, other vaccines are already mandatory.
Yeah pretty much. Plus complete mismanagement by public health authorities.

It's been a horrifying clusterfuck all the way around.
 
But a study was just published that summarizes the findings of several other studies, where it was found that Ivermectin is a viable therapeutic against COVID.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8383101/ ( https://archive.md/OblBS )



Until very recently there was still a lack of proper studies about Ivermectin's effect on the coronavirus, which could be the reason why they didn't jack up the prices of this "miracle cure".
TJB is a principal in Topelia Therapeutics (Ventura, California), which seeks to commercialize cost-effective treatments for COVID-19, including IVM. All other authors report no conflicts of interest.
Topelia has been pushing Ivermectin for over a year now. Ivermectin might still be a cure, but I'd be VERY, VERY wary about any study that goes and summarizes other studies.

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It also goes into some of the mistakes made in clinical trials for Ivermectin, and still uses one of those studies as it's basis for proof. I'm calling this bullshit.
 
No, no guys the governments around the world are keeping miracle drug Ivermectin from people so that they will languish and die in hospitals racking up large hospital stay bills that costs tens of thousands of dollars per person instead of saving lives while promoting a speedy recovery for a $5 drug. Again like I said before if it doesn't make money it doesn't make sense. The reality is, Ivermectin just doesn't work as well as some pill pushing doctors are claiming otherwise we would be utilizing it as part of covid treatment. Furthermore why do they care to hide this miracle drug from people when it runs parallel to the vaccine? Even with vaccines it should not stop the concept of treatments for covid-19.
 
But a study was just published that summarizes the findings of several other studies, where it was found that Ivermectin is a viable therapeutic against COVID.
These were actually clinical trials, though, not just retards randomly gulping down apple flavored horse de-wormer. Obviously anything that reduces the symptoms of COVID (since those are what actually kill you) are good, and ivermectin is apparently a really good candidate for treatment of infection. So they should keep looking into it or just roll it out as a treatment right now if the science is there.

It's still better just not to get it in the first place or to have your immune system primed for it when it does, since it seems we're likely stuck with this shit at an endemic level (thanks chinks).
Topelia has been pushing Ivermectin for over a year now. Ivermectin might still be a cure, but I'd be VERY, VERY wary about any study that goes and summarizes other studies.
I don't think anyone is saying it is a cure, but that it is an effective treatment for many of the more harmful effects of the virus.

If we had something that just turned COVID and similar viruses into something as harmless as the common cold with a couple pills, we wouldn't even need to bother with vaccines.

Unfortunately, that's not the world we're living in.
 
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It also goes into some of the mistakes made in clinical trials for Ivermectin, and still uses one of those studies as it's basis for proof. I'm calling this bullshit.
Yeah meta-analyses are the strongest proof available...as long as you're basing them on studies that were well-done.

Oh and you probably shouldn't include that paper from Egypt that got retracted because they literally falsified their data.
 
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