What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

A quite significant number of Kiwifarms users are Israeli Hasbara agents. They tend to hang out in the Happenings threads.
and 2 of their names are teriyakiburns and gog & magog
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The USSR would've been more than happy to expose the moon landing hoax if such were a hoax. And of course NASA also worked with a lot of third party contractors to make all that stuff for the Saturn V and Apollo spacecraft -- so that would mean an awful lot of people who would be in on it if the landings were faked. And then there's all the people who were eyewitnesses to the Saturn V launches, the reflectors left at landing sites that lasers can interact with, etc. The evidence that the moon landings were real is overwhelming...
Also, a good telescope will let you see the disturbed ejecta around the landing sites.
Lunar landing hoax afficionados have far-fetched explanations for all of that and they're happy to bore you to tears with them.
even more debunking of that "moon landing is fake" claim:

Conspiracy Theories: The Moon "Hoax" (Dissecting Pseudoscience)

- Martymer 81
 
Neo-nazis, antifas, and other anti-social creatures are a naturally occurring group of retards. BUT they are subtly egged on by the various TPTB to make all non-establishment types (like us) look like retards. Or maybe I'm wrong and we all really are retards.
It's a well-known tactic of various international intelligence agencies to divide a rebellious or otherwise actually capable anti-establishment organization on as many different points as possible, and it has been a tactic used since the Cold War. The most prominent example was Occupy Wall Street, which quickly fell apart after people started trying to shove identity politics into the group's high command equivalent.
Perhaps the real question is if the general populace has to be so badly split on ideological divides right now, how close are we realistically to a class-based insurrection?
 
TikTok is a Chinese psychological weapon. While children in China get educational bits as content on their version of TikTok, western Children get fed nothing but degeneracy designed to weaken the population. Perhaps the recent epidemic of transgenderism and such is also some kind of psyop, either by non-Western powers or the CIA glowies. Also pornography is predominantly produced and proliferated by Jews. Hookup culture might also be at least partly Jewish.
 
even more debunking of that "moon landing is fake" claim:
You can actually see the mini-craters left by the landing. They weren't there before it.

This isn't particularly great evidence by itself because you can't really see any of the actual man-made equipment left there from Earth, especially at the resolution of consumer telescopes a normie might have access to, because conceivably if you were going to fake the landing you could probably just create little craters on purpose with some unmanned delivery.
 
Gorilla Glue is a scam.

In their ads, they claim their glue will keep things stuck together, but a year or two ago I used some Gorilla Glue to fix some loose flooring in my home, and it stopped working after a while. Likewise, recently, I tried using Gorilla Glue to strengthen/reinforce parts of a bookcase. The next day I experimented with the shelving and pulled a little on the shelves, and they came loose.
late reply but I have a story to tell
my parents have towel racks in the bathroom that they originally put in with gorilla glue, assuming they'd just install permanent ones later.
~15 years later, and they're rock solid, as in "leaned my body on them, and they don't move as all" solid. I honestly had no idea they were supposed to be temporary until my parents told me that.
Calling it "glue" and advertising it as if its something you can just stick on and forget about it is a retarded move on the marketing team's part. Im pretty sure they just stuck the commercial grade shit in there and called it a day.
It works really well IF you follow the application instructions correctly.

As mentioned earlier, what if crazy theories -- like "moon landings were faked", "earth is flat", "coof is 5G", "reptilian aliens are ruling this world in secret", etc -- were cooked up to make more realistic "conspiracy theories" look more ridiculous by association?

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To me it's dubious that crazy theories are always made up that way though. People can easily make up really crazy stuff on their own.
I thought it was widely accepted that they do this by most skeptics.
About the only thing I disagree with is that they were cooked up by the government. Much easier to crowdsource from a bunch of schizos you're keeping tabs on.
 
I thought it was widely accepted that they do this by most skeptics.
About the only thing I disagree with is that they were cooked up by the government. Much easier to crowdsource from a bunch of schizos you're keeping tabs on.

We saw it first hand during COVID. There was endless discussion of all the crazy things that anyone who questioned anything were meant to believe. The media and others lock step in sync. They also peddled their own conspiracy theories and fake narratives.

There was clearly some coordination going on behind the scenes.
 
Gorilla Glue is a scam.
my parents have towel racks in the bathroom that they originally put in with gorilla glue, assuming they'd just install permanent ones later.
~15 years later, and they're rock solid, as in "leaned my body on them, and they don't move as all" solid. I honestly had no idea they were supposed to be temporary until my parents told me that.
I was going to comment on this earlier, because I didn't think it was necessary per se and I didn't want to quote an older post, but I'll mention it now. I'll second @Candlelight Desolation by saying, in general, there's a lower standard expected from commercial products nowadays.

It's a minor conspiracy theory, but I believe in the "Subwayification" of goods and services. Subway sandwiches were advertised as $5 Footlongs for several years. Initially, that was true; however, time passed and the price refused to change. Instead, Subway corporate simply reduced the length of each sandwich to 11 inches. This, of course, led to a lawsuit, which the judge threw out. The justification was that the average consumer wouldn't care for a slightly lesser standard.

Shrinkflation is the word most people use, and it would be accurate in the example I provided. Subwayification and I'm sure there's a proper word for it, so don't crawl up my ass too much about my use of a silly, made-up word is a more general lowering of standards that is supported by the system due to their slight devolution. Over time, good products become bad products fueled by nostalgia and a lack of competition. Think of everything from cars to McDonalds. I could easily see Gorilla Glue being a prime example, but I'm not an expert on Gorilla Glue by any means.
 
The "Lost Cause" of the Confederacy is actually a psyop employed shortly after the Reconstruction of the South to dissuade any more separatist movements, redefining the founding story to be that the Confederacy was actually a call to create a slave-driven country to enslave every nigger in the world, rather than to no longer be under the thumb of the North's more relentless, progressive views. This has later evolved into the idea of a white supremacy down the line, despite that many of the South's most famous leaders were only doing it to get relevance in the world out of the more snobby Northeners, and has been a driving force in the many anti-White movements and actions passed down, like the SPLC.
 
The "Lost Cause" of the Confederacy is actually a psyop employed shortly after the Reconstruction of the South to dissuade any more separatist movements, redefining the founding story to be that the Confederacy was actually a call to create a slave-driven country to enslave every nigger in the world, rather than to no longer be under the thumb of the North's more relentless, progressive views. This has later evolved into the idea of a white supremacy down the line, despite that many of the South's most famous leaders were only doing it to get relevance in the world out of the more snobby Northeners, and has been a driving force in the many anti-White movements and actions passed down, like the SPLC.

1898 Wilmington Race Riot​

The Union League in North Carolina:​

The creation of the Ku Klux Klan after the War Between the States cannot be explained without first discussing the infamous organization that brought the Klan into being---the Union League.

As race relations between black and white North Carolinians were mostly amicable in antebellum times, albeit with both free and slavery-bound blacks in the State, a question to answer as one moves forward in history is what happened between the two races by 1898, and who instigated the unrest that ended in violence in Wilmington and elswhere at the end of the century?

"(Negro voters) have elected white (Republican) bosses to the positions, and they have drawn the pay while the Negro was taught to curse and vote against the Democrat. They had been taught by the bosses to hate those with whom they had been raised and lived with all their lives, greatly to their disadvantage."

James A. Lowrey, Chairman of the Independent Republican Convention, held in New Hanover County, August 18, 1888.)

The Union League is the identity of the instigator, and the Lowery quote above show the long-lasting effects of the hatred for Southern whites instilled in the black race, for political purposes. The rise of the Ku Klux Klan as a defensive measure to protect white Southerners after the war is tied directly to the Union League. After the demise of the Union League in 1870 (due to Klan retaliation), the Republican party and its carpetbag regimes in the South continued to foment hatred for Southern white people in the the blacks, in order to maintain their political ascendancy. The Lowery quote is a case in point.



"When freedom came to the slave in 1865, power was thrust into hands not ready to wield it. Authority, backed by federal bayonets, was given to people who had never issued an order in their lives.

Mistakes were made and excesses committed that only the passing of years---even generations---could obliterate. Most of the depredations of the freed slaves consisted of barn-burning and larceny.

In all fairness to the Negro race, let it be said now that most of the trouble makers were an irresponsible minority acting under the orders of the Union League and the protection of agents of the Freedmen’s Bureau.

Appeals for redress of grievances did no good. In fact, matters reached the point where if a white man complained he could almost certainly expect his barn to be burned, or his livestock stolen within a few days.

The Union League, which came with the carpet-baggers in the wake of the federal army, began organizing the Negroes for political purposes. Any Negro who refused to join was called a Conservative, and severe punishment was dealt him by his own race. Naturally, the Union League operated in the interest of the Republican party. Their primary aim was to put that party in power and keep it there by the votes of the freed slaves.

Nightly, the sky glowed with the light of burning barns. The normal sounds of night were mixed with abnormal noises: that scrape and thud of the feet of stolen cattle and horses being led away.

The (black) hoodlum element grew more reckless as the courts refused to convict them. Insults and indignities were the order of the day. The situation grew intolerable for the embattled whites and the Conservative Negroes.

Then out of the night came the thundering hoof beats of horses ridden by white hooded and white sheeted riders. The Ku Klux Klan! Ride, Redeem and Restore Order was the directive under which they operated. The Klan and similar orders by their nature operated beyond the law, but they visited swift and severe punishment on the Union Leaguers. By the end of 1870, the Union League had vanished. Law and Order had been reestablished throughout the State."

The Negro in Harnett County, Malcolm Fowler, pp. 121-122


E. Merton Coulter On The Union League:

Begun in Philadelphia (some say Pekin, Illinois) in 1862, the Union League started its Grand Council in Washington, DC in 1863. It was originally formed as a patriotic organization, but by the end of the war it developed into an arm of the Republican party in the South, determined to turn the newly enfranchised blacks against their white Southern neighbors. This was done in order to politically rule the South after hostilities had ceased, and ensure the ascendancy of the Republican party. "Republicans...said that if the Democrats won they would...restore slavery. They paraded "rebel atrocities," how Negroes throughout the South went to bed every night with the fear that they would have their throats cut or their cabins burnt before morning, how Christmas and election days were reserved by Southerners for killing "peart niggers" and all the other days for "robbing and personal violence." (Nation, XXVIII (1879), 242)
Disorders were invited by Northern arms companies advertising "life-sized" pistols in Southern newspapers, and by Federal troops ostensibly scattered throughout the country to preserve order.
(The South During Reconstruction, E. Merton Coulter, pp. 368-369)



The Union League Moves Into North Carolina:
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Gov. W. W. Holden

In North Carolina alone the clubs of the Union League of ex-slaves had 80,000 members led by Governor Holden in 1867. Many organized into armed military companies, drilling day and night as white people lived in constant fear. This black militia was at intra-racial war with black Democrats and a sign at an 1878 polling booth reading “Death To Colored Democrats” was no idle threat. The Documentary History of North Carolina (edited by W.L. Fleming) states that “the colored people of North Carolina have, since the passage of the Reconstruction measures of Congress, been taught to believe by the leading members of the Leagues that the white men of the country are their enemies; that their only friends are the northern men….and that it is the desire and deliberate purpose of the (Southern) white people….to restore slavery at the earliest possible moment.” Governor Wiliiam W. Holden was the first president of the Union League Grand Council in North Carolina and James H. Harris, a black, was vice president.

Harris was a Holden protégé in Wake County politics and he exercised considerable influence in the house of Representatives and the Republican

Party. Harris was also an astute politician who would announce his candidacy for a State office desired by a white northerner so as to be bought off for several thousand dollars in order to deliver the black vote. Harris was a founder of the Union League in Wilmington, served as Grand Marshal of the National Council in 1867 and in 1868 was vice president of the League in North Carolina, with Governor Holden as president. Along with Harris was John L. Hays and David Heaton, black Wilmingtonians who served as members of the executive committee. George Z. French, carpetbag politician in New Hanover County also served as president of the local Union League. As a result of French’s support of carpetbag rule in Wilmington and corruption in the North Carolina legislature, he was summarily run out of this City under threat of hanging in November 1898 and only his Masonic membership saved his life.

The existence of the Union League in Wilmington is revealed by northern General Weitzel being visited on a blockading ship in late 1864 “by the president of the clandestine Loyal Union League in Wilmington who had been secretly brought on board.” This unidentified person (see "Confederate Goliath," page 36, Rod Gragg, HarperPerennial, 1991) provided the invading forces with information regarding Southern troop positions and strength. In July of 1865, the by-then strong Union League in Wilmington was petitioning the City government to appoint black policemen and inspectors. Within a week of the second restoration of the Conservative government in Wilmington, an advertisement in the Herald that informed the “brothers of the Union League” would be meeting in a sheltered area due to inclement weather. Remember that the entire municipal government in Wilmington resigned on 2 August 1865 after mobs of black troops and civilians attacked local police.

During his one year tenure as president, Holden maintained a tight control of the local councils. Probably in no other State were the Republicans as successful in providing central direction for the Union Leagues as in North Carolina. In the 1867 election campaign, Holden conducted the registration of voters under military supervision to help ensure the outcome, and from Raleigh, he cajoled local Republican leaders to work diligently to perfect the organizations of the Union League and the regular County units of the Party. After his victory in that election, Holden exulted in the large Republican majorities cast by freedmen in eastern North Carolina where the Union Leagues were strongest. Wilmington population at that time had swollen to a nearly 60% percentage of blacks.

In September 1868, Holden appealed to the federal military in North Carolina to station troops at election polls “to inspire a salutary terror” among the disaffected to which General Meade declined. Holden was then forced to rely upon the resources of his administration which were the militia and the Union League, Holden’s twin allies of terror. Regarding the federal troops still in North Carolina in 1868, the Raleigh Sentinel reported on 29 August that “ten companies of Negro federal troops were concentrated in Goldsboro and a reign of terror followed during which depredations of all sorts were committed and the conduct of the troops so violent that it was unsafe for women to leave their homes.”

Inciting The Freedman Against Native Whites:

A Union League circular in the October, 1868 New Bern Sentinel urged tri-weekly meetings “with as much excitement of the freedmen as possible. They were to be drilled constantly and told that if the Democrats (Conservatives) won the election, they would all be sold back into slavery. Farms and mules should be promised to all who voted for Grant with the additional promise that if he was elected, most of the patronage offices would go to freedmen.” All methods were to be employed to poison their minds against the native white people, and if riots followed, no harm would be done to them. If needed to arouse them, some cabins should be burned and the misdeed attributed to the Conservatives.

In North Carolina the most common outrage committed by the League militia against whites was barn burning. The loss of the barn meant complete ruin and starvation to the farmer and it occurred in every County. Conclusive evidence shows that the burnings were decided upon at League meetings. In Gaston County (1869) there were nine barn burnings in one week. In Edgecombe County in two months of 1869 there were two churches, several cotton gins, a cotton factory, barns and dwellings burned and traced to black incendiaries. State Senator John W. Stephens, a henchman of Governor Holden, at a Yanceyville Union League meeting gave a book of matches to all the freedmen in attendance with the suggestion that they would be useful in burning the native white’s houses and barns. Stephens was later executed by the Klan and this led Holden to enact the anti-Klan law of 1870, the Shofer Bill. The carpetbagger and former federal General Milton Littlefield, infamous for his fraudulent railroad schemes and political corruption in North Carolina, became president of the NC Union League in 1868 after Holden, and presided over the national meeting in 1870, in New Jersey. The council of Union Leagues over which Milton presided represented the command of the field forces in the purpose embodied in acts President Grant had recently signed to compel observance of the 14th and 15th Amendments and to strengthen Reconstruction State governments against the Ku Klux Klan.

An Alamance County mulatto named Wyatt Outlaw organized the radical Republican Loyal League with initiates known as Pioneers, the same name given to black railroad workers who served as labor for federal troops in the war. Like the Union League, members were posted at each of the polls to observe who voted and how. North Carolina carpetbag governor W.W. Holden sought to disband the Loyal League and have its members absorbed by the Union League, over which he had control. Outlaw was instrumental in employing many freedmen with the Republican-controlled North Carolina Railroad and recruited members from those workers, while white Southerners were not hired. He was commissioned in July 1868 by Holden as deputy member of the Grand State Council of the Union League which allowed him to travel the State to initiate members and install officers. As the railroad was in the hands of the Republicans and Union League, any white workers were fired and were replaced with League members.

The Klan Emerges:

Conservatives insisted that the Union League created the situation which called for the establishment of the Ku Klux Klan and there can be no doubt that the League was guilty of grave excesses, and murders of white people were attributed to the Leagues. “Barns were burned but”, says Dr. Hamilton in his “Reconstruction in North Carolina”, “the fact that the Leagues usually met in a schoolhouse or church explains the burning of so many schools and churches by white people.” Hamilton goes on to say that “At first, some attempt was made by white Conservatives to cheque the growth and activity of the (Union League) organization by refusal of employment to all its members. But it soon became evident that this meant refusal to employ colored labor at all, and the time came when the employing class became supplicants, so sharply was the need for laborers felt.” Therefore the Klan.

As stated in The Documentary History of Reconstruction, “If there had been no Loyal (Union) League in North Carolina, there would have been no Klu Klux.” The freedmen adhered to the party of Lincoln so emphatically that planters attempts to control or work with them only aroused greater opposition. The Democrats efforts in courting the black vote accomplished little in areas where League organizing had taken place and faced with this failure of a peaceful coexistence, the planters ran short of alternatives to outright violence if they wanted to contest Republican control of the black vote. Physical coercion replaced financial pressure as the chief method of opposing the League and this ineffectiveness of economic intimidation led directly to the emergence of the Klan.

After Governor Holden’s efforts to suppress Klan activity in North Carolina in early 1870, several Conservative newspapers praised his leadership (to end violence) but were careful to suggest that he give the same attention to the Union League and black arsonists.

General John B. Gordon of Georgia testified to the 1871 Joint Congressional Committee on Affairs in the Insurrectionary States that “the first and main reason (for the Klan) was the organization of the Union League, as they called it….these men were organizing the colored people.” General Nathan B. Forrest likewise testified before the Joint Committee that “the organization (the Klan) was intended entirely as a protection to the (Southern) people, to enforce the laws and protect the people from outrages.” Even the northern press saw the Ku Klux resistance clearly in 1870 as “The Nation” magazine commented on Klan outrages in South Carolina…”this is all horrible, but we have no hesitation in saying that it is not the unnatural consequence of the caricature on government which has been kept up in that State for the last 4 years”. Regarding the effect of the League, General John B. Gordon further stated that the “burning of Atlanta and all the devastation through Georgia never created a tithe of the animosity that has been created by this (Union League) sort of treatment of our (Southern) people.”

Conclusions:

An 1870 Congressional Committee report provided this indictment of Republican rule over the conquered South:

“hatred of the white race was instilled (by the League) into the minds of these ignorant people by every art and vile that bad men could devise; when the Negroes were formed into military organizations and the white people of these States were denied the use of arms; when arson, rape, robbery and murder were things of daily occurrence,…and that what little they had saved from the ravages of war was being confiscated by taxation…many of them took the law into their own hands and did deeds of violence which we neither justify or excuse. But all history shows that bad government will make bad citizens.”



Robert Penn Warren best encapsulated the results of the Republican and Union League efforts to control the black vote in the postwar South, stating in his essay “The Briar Patch” that:
“He (the Negro) discovered himself as a political power, but he was also to discover that the fruits of his power were plucked by someone else, by the friends who gave him big talk and big promises. Sometimes he got an office out of it all and smoked cigars in the chairs of a legislature. The political training he received, however, was the worst that could possibly be devised to help him; it was a training in corruption, oppression and rancor. When the earth shook and the fool, or scoundrel departed…leaving his bankrupt promises, the Negro was to realize that he had paid a heavy price for the legislative seat and the cigar. He had been oppressed for centuries, but the few years in which he was used as an instrument of oppression solved nothing. Instead, they sadly mortgaged his best immediate capital; that capital was the confidence of the Southern white man with whom he had to live. The rehabilitation of the white man’s confidence for the Negro is part of the Southern white man’s story since 1880.”


Sources and Recommended Reading:​

Reconstruction In North Carolina, Jos. G. de R. Hamilton.
1971 Books For Libraries Press
The Union League, Washington’s Klan, John Chodes.
1999 League of the South Institute
The Tragic Era. Claude G. Bowers.
1929 Literary Guild of America
North Carolina Histories. Hugh Talmadge Lefler, Editor
The Papers of Frederick Law Olmsted, Vol. IV.
Jane T. Turner, Editor, 1986 Johns Hopkins Press
The Documentary History of Reconstruction,
W.L. Fleming, Editor, 1871
Quoting “Outrages In The Southern States”, B.F. Moore.
The Prince of Carpetbaggers, Gen. Milton Littlefield. Jonathan Daniels. 1958 J.P. Lippincott Company
Wade Hampton and the Negro. Hampton M. Jarrell
1949 University of SC Press
Iron Confederates, Southern Railways, Klan & Reconstruction. Scott Reynolds Nelson
1999 UNC Press
The Union League Movement in the Deep South. Michael W. Fitzgerald
1989 LSU Press
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I have gotten good feedback from my Sandy Hook theory, and it seems like many people are not aware of the possibility discussed by it. So I am posting it here.

For some context, here is the best resource on the Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting and data around it. The site is offline but the archive has all the pages, and shows all the data without actually pushing any conspiracies, just a examination of what is known.

I do not think that Sandy Hook was a hoax. I am positive people died there, and Adam Lanza was the shooter. I do not see evidence of it even being a "allowed to happen" type of deal, as the Obama administration of the time could have done a lot better than this mess of a shooting if they wanted to push gun control. They would have tried and go for a Dunblame or Port Arthur type of deal making it a lot more of a straightforward case.

Having looked into the data, judicial records, trial transcripts and forensics there is just so much fuckery going on that it's not possible even the most incompetent of glowniggers would have managed to fuck things up this hard. This was 2012 and the complete competency crisis hadn't fully set in yet. This was the zenith of the Obama Era when he was at it's height of power and the GOP was flailing like a fish out of water. They had no need to fake a school shooting when real ones could just be allowed to happen, and they had no reason to waste resources faking one when it has been known the US Government will gladly let their own citizens be killed to get what it needs done.

The more likely explanation which I fully believe in and will defend is this:

Adam Lanza had a big anti-natalism thing against children and wanted to kill them because he was a nutcase. This is known from his online presence, such as youtube which was later found having been missed by the original investigation. He was on some pretty hardcore SSRIs including some pretty new stuff, this is known from his history of mental illnesses. SSRIs are very dangerous, and many times people don't understand side effects and possible conflicts and interactions with other medications. I believe some of these meds triggered his mental illnesses into psychotic episodes which eventually led to him going on his shooting spree (similar to the Aurora shooter, who changed medication and a few weeks later went shooting).

However, Lanza was still a retard and incompetent. He was a twig of a boy, had issues with loud noises, bad physical conditions. When he showed up to start shooting he couldn't actually properly do it (I believe he might have done it with Randy Stair style marksmanship) and so he only managed to shoot a few people and kill maybe one or two.

Then the police showed up.

Everything, and I do meant EVERYTHING, that is sus about the case; how the numbers of people shot changed along with the locations they were shot, the fact records register people and Law Enforcement giving a total of six different death times and locations for Lanza, the inconsistent placement of bullet holes, the fact random cars outside had bullet holes which were ignored by FBI investigation, the weird location of the victims being piled on a single room, the nonsensical path Lanza took ignoring some rooms but focusing on others, the changes on the reported path he took when he first entered the school, the location of the school employees both during the shooting and the few minutes before and after, the location of the bodies of both Lanza and children, the eventual decision to demolish the entire school...

All of it makes sense if you assume the police showed up and proceeded to pull a absolute Russian Chechnya hostage crisis level fuck up and killed kids in the cross fire. It perfectly explains all the gaps and changing history as the cops and FBI retconning the incident to remove their own involvement and justify why and how so many people died post facto.

That is the real scandal, the thing that was so thoroughly hidden, the reason there is such a strong fucking paranoia over this case. It was the ultimate argument against relying on police made flesh in the worst way possible. A small shooting turned into a complete massacre by local police who failed to follow basic rules of engagement and pay attention to what they were doing.

I further believe it because once Obama was out we saw other school shooting incidents where it quickly became clear that the shooter was pretty much allowed to go on their rampage by incompetent law enforcement. The entire "suspect was known to law enforcement" has become such a meme people will start countdowns to when it is said as soon as news of a shooting break.

Thing of the 2 biggest cases of school shootings since Obama left, and you will see this exact thing play out. both Parkland (Know to local police and school management as a menace, multiple warnings ignored as to not "stain" the records of the school and local PD with having to arrest a minor, eventually they managed to pull off the shooting) and Uvalde (shooting happened, police set around scratching their asses and allowing the shooter to kill at his leisure and stopping locals from interfering, until unrelated federal law enforcement in the form of a ICE agents commandeered a citizen firearm and dealt with it himself) had the exact same basic fuck up of local law enforcement not paying attention and either allowing the shooting to happen or failing to act once the shooting began.
 
I do not think that Sandy Hook was a hoax. I am positive people died there, and Adam Lanza was the shooter. I do not see evidence of it even being a "allowed to happen" type of deal, as the Obama administration of the time could have done a lot better than this mess of a shooting if they wanted to push gun control.
I'm not even sure I should be doing this...
But that's a bad argument or rather none at all.
They could've done better? What if they just couldn't? People are retarded all the time, especially governments. With me calling that one out: Also agree with it being real. But I can see there being a decades long running CIA school shooter programme or something we will never know existed.
These kinds of programmes span several adminsitrations. Gitmo wasn't "and suddenly bush happened", the school of americas, for one, is way older. It's systemic.
So, why not? In germany there was this decade spanning series of so-called Döner-Morde (Kebab-Murders) which turned out to be actual glowies from top to bottom, the killers being recruited and and financed by one of the german secret police branches.
No doubt, to fan racial tensions in the long term and make
people afraid of third column neo nazis.
It's the same as with that whole serial killer craze of the 70s and 80s:
It's def. something which was blown up to legitimize ever more invasive police and prosecution tactics. Wouldn't be surprise if they also try to get the ball rolling on purpose with one or two cases. The rest is just disproportionate coverage, outright propaganda and "real" copycats.
This was the zenith of the Obama Era when he was at it's height of power and the GOP was flailing like a fish out of water. They had no need to fake a school shooting when real ones could just be allowed to happen, and they had no reason to waste resources faking one when it has been known the US Government will gladly let their own citizens be killed to get what it needs done.
With that, I fullheartedly agree tho. Good post.
Very interessting, ty for the link. Might peruse when bored.
All of it makes sense if you assume the police showed up and proceeded to pull a absolute Russian Chechnya hostage crisis level fuck up and killed kids in the cross fire.
Most interesting take here.
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This is where I stopped watching.
w/r/t SH:
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