🪦 Deceased Aziz Al-Yami / Hax$ / Hax Money / "Evidence.zip 2 Guy" - They played Smash at his livestreamed funeral.

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The HaX$ Twitter account has been very active recently:
At least this one has some solid advice:
To the parents of SMASHERS entering these clubs - they are not so harmless. They are breeding grounds for young, impressionable adults to enter into an alternative universe that promotes perverse ideology. I ask you to exercise extreme caution.
This should be a mandatory notice handed out to all parents before they give their kids any Internet access at all.

On-topic: If the lawsuit plans are legit and this isn't a straight up scam, on what grounds are they planning to sue? What "legal remedies and recourse" could they possibly expect to extract from a bunch of Smash NEETs?
 
At least this one has some solid advice:

This should be a mandatory notice handed out to all parents before they give their kids any Internet access at all.

On-topic: If the lawsuit plans are legit and this isn't a straight up scam, on what grounds are they planning to sue? What "legal remedies and recourse" could they possibly expect to extract from a bunch of Smash NEETs?
I guess ideally it would put the trolls who manipulated Hax$ in debt for life or in jail. They are the easiest scumbags to build a case around.
If the mother plans on only suing the TOs or suing the TOs along with the trolls, that would most likely end up a failsuit and a lolsuit.
 
To me, this seems like nothing more than a grift. It is way too vague and promises really nothing. Anyone giving to this is just throwing their money away. A lawyer and all the details should have been handled before seeking out funding if they wanted to be taken seriously.
His mother wants revenge. You don't get a lawyer before you know how much you will be able to pay them. She said she has been "researching law firms for months now."
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After over 60k to just bury hax, his mom wants more money to sue randos? Absolute insanity. I know you can sue anyone for any reason, but being banned from a game tournament isn't actionable in any way.

Also are any of you seeing the insane pro Saudi/ pro Sharia law tweets she was making?
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Lolcow runs in his family, clearly.
 
I know you can sue anyone for any reason, but being banned from a game tournament isn't actionable in any way.
This isn't true, because it was an organized effort to shun and emotionally abuse a man and steal his only passion in life. There is a path for a "wrongful death" lawsuit. It is provable that the TO's actions directly led to Hax$'s suicide attempt and eventual passing. He was clearly manipulated and led on behind the scenes despite the foreknowledge they had of Hax$'s mental decline. You can argue that the case will not succeed, but the foundation for a wrongful death and/or defamation lawsuit is clearly there.
 
This isn't true, because it was an organized effort to shun and emotionally abuse a man and steal his only passion in life.
I don't know much about law, but my issue with this is that proving intent is almost impossible. You can say that the whole Smash organization was a bunch of dicks to him, and made a lot of mistakes, but it's going to be very hard to prove that they were doing it to making him harm himself, and without that you sorta have no case.

If the Smash organization guys are ever taken to court, they can just go like "no, we didn't want to cause harm, we just were concerned about what he would do to leffen" or "we thought he was a bit unstable and needed some therapy before he could join again". I don't think anyone can counter argument that and the Judge would probably see it the same way.

The only ones that can actually maybe be sued are the guys from the discord, that whole section was actually insanely rage inducing.
There are times where they are actually saying they are hoping he kills himself. That being said, it will probably still go nowhere because it's just them being bullies, and America doesn't give a shit about that.
 
If the Smash organization guys are ever taken to court, they can just go like "no, we didn't want to cause harm, we just were concerned about what he would do to leffen" or "we thought he was a bit unstable and needed some therapy before he could join again". I don't think anyone can counter argument that and the Judge would probably see it the same way.
He was perma banned. There wasn't a process to return, exempting empty promises made by charlatans like iBDW. They cannot claim that they were "working with him" when it was radio silence even after his suicide attempt. You have many of these same T.O.'s and Leffen making patently false claims in the same time period like that he never apologized or was a far-right nazi sending them death threats. Regardless, these clowns are going to have to go to court, go through discovery, and pay for legal fees, all while facing heightened public scrunity that will surely attract attention from outside the Melee scene. It's possible that Hax$'s mom is privy to information that is not public, and it is also known that the NYC melee T.O.'s are particularly guilty of stripping Hax$ of his own tournament and then threatening to ban players for participating in any Hax$ sanctioned tournament. They essentially destroyed his livelihood and slandered his name, all while pretending to care about his "health," essentially gaslighting him and angling him as a public threat. There is ripe domain for litigation against those organizers like Mikey "The Cheat" and Willy P who championed these claims in publically shared announcements.
 
After over 60k to just bury hax

60k just to bury someone? That is insane. How is that justified?

Regardless, these clowns are going to have to go to court, go through discovery, and pay for legal fees, all while facing heightened public scrunity that will surely attract attention from outside the Melee scene.

Yeah, this is not how the courts are supposed to be used, as tools just to abuse people and raise awareness. There are many ways to raise awareness that doesn't involve clogging up the legal system with frivolous lawsuits and unwinnable cases. The process IS NOT supposed to be the punishment. This is exactly the kind of lawsuit that is just abusive and meant to inflict injury just for the fact of the suit itself exists, exactly what people do to Null over KF and them doing it is just as fucking wrong as it is to do it here.

Also, if it is found out that the lawsuit was brought for improper purposes that can turn into an incredible backfire. The party using the legal process in an abusive or improper fashion can find themselves on the receiving end of the legal cost of the person who they tried to sue inappropriately. Whoever is going to try and use the legal process for "revenge" better be ready to pay the other sides considerable legal bills if the judge decides their lawsuit is garbage, abusive, and meant to cause harm in and of itself. Trying to engage in lawfare can end poorly for those that try. Look at LOLCow Patrick Tomlinson, he sued trying to get the information of a user here he just didn't like, but what he wanted was impossible because it violated the law, so he had to pay the opposing sides legal costs, which in the end amounted to more than 80k.
 
Used to be active in my local melee scene years ago and watched a tourney live for the first time in awhile... I gotta say I don't like the new cast. We went from true talent and style like mang0at and Hungry(for your girl's)Box to tagless, swagless, wannabe motherfuckers like Cody Schwab.
 
It's possible that Hax$'s mom is privy to information that is not public, and it is also known that the NYC melee T.O.'s are particularly guilty of stripping Hax$ of his own tournament and then threatening to ban players for participating in any Hax$ sanctioned tournament. They essentially destroyed his livelihood and slandered his name, all while pretending to care about his "health," essentially gaslighting him and angling him as a public threat.
Yeah, I don't think saying "we think he might be a threat to Leffen so we're banning him from xyz events" is defamation. They'd have to have made statements that were provably untrue, such as in the recent Karl Jobst lawsuit, where Karl said Billy Mitchell caused someone to commit suicide. Maybe if they actually accused Hax of threatening to kill Leffen, or inciting people to do so, that might be defamation. However, I'm not sure they actually came out and said that so much as implied it.

Morally culpable and legally culpable are different things. These spineless cowards already showed that they know they're morally guilty, when they tried to remove their own names from the ban document, and when they pretended to care about him after it was already too late. I would love to see this dogshit community shut down, but I don't have much hope that the legal system will help in that regard.

His "friends," however, could possibly be liable. Not likely, but Michelle Carter was found liable for telling her boyfriend to kill himself when he actually did it. It's worth noting that, although she was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter, her boyfriend's mom's wrongful death suit against her was dismissed with prejudice. I feel that would be the most likely outcome if Hax's mom were to sue his ex friends, but who knows.
 
inshallah, mama hax$, sharia law returns ssb into a proper حطم خِلَافَةْ and they meteor smash all the faggots off the side of the stage of life at 2% health! allah wah falcon punch!!
 
Yeah, this is not how the courts are supposed to be used, as tools just to abuse people and raise awareness. There are many ways to raise awareness that doesn't involve clogging up the legal system with frivolous lawsuits and unwinnable cases. The process IS NOT supposed to be the punishment. This is exactly the kind of lawsuit that is just abusive and meant to inflict injury just for the fact of the suit itself exists, exactly what people do to Null over KF and them doing it is just as fucking wrong as it is to do it here.
Congratulations on reading far deeper into what I said than what I actually said.

His "friends," however, could possibly be liable. Not likely, but Michelle Carter was found liable for telling her boyfriend to kill himself when he actually did it. It's worth noting that, although she was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter, her boyfriend's mom's wrongful death suit against her was dismissed with prejudice. I feel that would be the most likely outcome if Hax's mom were to sue his ex friends, but who knows.
Tailoring the lawsuit to individuals is a given. A lawyer will decide what individual(s), if any, can be held culpable. There is a mountain of data that is relevant here, and it is therefore plausible that Hax$'s mom could know more than we do. If she cannot meet a minimum threshold for legal grounds to sue (wrongful death, defamation, etc.) than she might settle for some kind of apology from the TO's or community reform. It is certainly plausible that she is using threats of a suit as a pretext for such motions.
 
He was perma banned. There wasn't a process to return, exempting empty promises made by charlatans like iBDW. They cannot claim that they were "working with him" when it was radio silence even after his suicide attempt.
Look, I saw the whole 2 hour video on this and as much as I want some people to get fucked over this, I really don't think there is a case.

He was banned from competing - but in legal terms... so what? It's a private organization and there is no obligation for them to allow anyone to compete. They can ban you regardless of having a motive or not, just like any private organization. And they did have motives - you can argue that they were bullshit motives, but they exist regardless.

Here's another example: Youtube/Instagram/Facebook/TikTok can ban you from their platform with no explanation (as it happened multiple fucking times to basically any right wing creator that didn't suck the tranny dick), and even if you kill yourself because "all you had in life was creating content", it doesn't matter. No Judge can force Private organizations into allowing you to post there. They don't even need an excuse to ban you, which is why Null has been banned multiple times and they even read his appeal.

Competing in tournaments is not a basic human need. I understand it was very very important to Hax$ and I'm not trying to minimize that, but I'm saying that IN TERMS OF THE LAW, that doesn't matter.

As I said in my previous post, the only way I would see any sort of lawsuit having merit would be if the mother can proove that these actions purposedly to harass, bully and harm him. The only group I could see that we could proove without a shadow of a doubt malicious actions with intent to harm and harass Hax$, are the guys from the group chat, but they can likely just go like "whoops your honor, we were just being silly guys teehee" and get a very lackluster punishment that might not even be worth going to court over.

That being said, I hope I'm wrong and I hope some people get fucked in court over this.
But my cinicysm says that nothing ever happens and this whole lawsuit is not going to do anything other than waste money and time.

Morally culpable and legally culpable are different things. (...) but I don't have much hope that the legal system will help in that regard.
Basically this.
 
As I said in my previous post, the only way I would see any sort of lawsuit having merit would be if the mother can proove that these actions purposedly to harass, bully and harm him. The only group I could see that we could proove without a shadow of a doubt malicious actions with intent to harm and harass Hax$, are the guys from the group chat, but they can likely just go like "whoops your honor, we were just being silly guys teehee" and get a very lackluster punishment that might not even be worth going to court over.
It is a given that the lawsuit will be tailored to specific individuals. Surely, any lawsuit that is brought forward will be vetted by a lawyer first. She may hold the potential of such litigation as leverage over the TO's. She has already "won" the narrative for all intents and purposes outside of Reddit echo chambers, but no real concessions have been made. Billy Mitchell coerced Guiness Records to reinstate their records as they did not want a costly lawsuit, and he used the same tactic on Apollo Legend. I give no opinion on the ethics of such a tactic, but noone wants to get sued, and it is sane to avoid that in exchange for minor concessions. Something like an apology or new appeal process really isn't a big ask and is the kind of thing I could see them doing. It shouldn't take a lawsuit to make this happen, and reform would certainly be healthy for the community and repair their PR, (and in fact may be necessary for the community to survive as an intact entity).

It is premature to say definitively what will happen at this juncture on what Hax$'s mom seeks to get out of these legal threats. It is premature to say what information or individuals would be the target of a lawsuit, or what information Hax$'s mom may be privy to like Hax$'s Discord DM's and texts. It is reasonable to assert that she is serious about proceeding with what she is claiming, and that there might be good things that come from whatever route she chooses to pursue, constituent with the long-term health and viability and PR of the competitive scene which has been severely damaged. If she is withholding information that is relevant to this situation or has alterior plans, then that will be revealed in time. This really isn't just about Hax$ anymore, but ties into problems with the competitive scene that are existential if unaddressed.

Some of these issues tie back to 2012 gamergate and the exclusion of "problematic" individuals from shared hobbies. Any kind of win or concession here is a win that would reclaim some territory lost from the post-gamergate world. These are cruel people and some reform isn't a big ask and is even to their benefit for the long term solvency of the scene.
 
She has no legal recourse but I appreciate the spirit. I know a guy with $20K waiting in the wings for hax though.
 
He was perma banned. There wasn't a process to return, exempting empty promises made by charlatans like iBDW. They cannot claim that they were "working with him" when it was radio silence even after his suicide attempt. You have many of these same T.O.'s and Leffen making patently false claims in the same time period like that he never apologized or was a far-right nazi sending them death threats. Regardless, these clowns are going to have to go to court, go through discovery, and pay for legal fees, all while facing heightened public scrunity that will surely attract attention from outside the Melee scene. It's possible that Hax$'s mom is privy to information that is not public, and it is also known that the NYC melee T.O.'s are particularly guilty of stripping Hax$ of his own tournament and then threatening to ban players for participating in any Hax$ sanctioned tournament. They essentially destroyed his livelihood and slandered his name, all while pretending to care about his "health," essentially gaslighting him and angling him as a public threat. There is ripe domain for litigation against those organizers like Mikey "The Cheat" and Willy P who championed these claims in publically shared announcements.
There is certainly a good chance that she knows something we don't. The Civil court system is such a clown show in the US that she could possibly extract millions from these fuckers through "pain and suffering". But seriously, the people who have the most liability would be those Discord troons. They were maliciously harassing Hax. That in of itself is likely a crime of some sort. Add in the fact he killed himself and its probably more than just funny haha shit.

It might be hard to say the TOs are liable. They are in control of their own events and are allowed to include anyone they want or don't want (as long as its not a civil rights issue). That said, I think there is way more behind the scenes that would be incriminating. There was something that Hax mentioned that is interesting. He said he made his original video on Leffen because he's the only major figure in the scene from the Evidence.zip days and has testimony from the people involved. Leffen is STILL salty about his ban. They were likely looking for any reason to ban him because Leffen wanted it and people like Fat Fuck Crusty Cum Beard Mikey said YES SIR......y'know, after he took the cock out of his mouth. Im sure there were a lot of conversations behind closed doors (aka Discord) about keeping Hax banned and ostracizing him from the community over some petty revenge. I say watch how these people act if shit gets rolling.
 
I'm going to be honest, I don't think this lawsuit is going to happen. Even if it did, I don't see who exactly would be the party. If it were the undersigned TOs from the indefinite ban (and then permanent ban)? Or is it NYC Melee who changed the name of Hax's Nightclub to The Nightclub after Hax got banned?

Competing in tournaments is not a basic human need. I understand it was very very important to Hax$ and I'm not trying to minimize that, but I'm saying that IN TERMS OF THE LAW, that doesn't matter.

Also, I'm sharing this same sentiment. That's why most of the effect I've been hoping to see from this is socially. In a sense, it feels like Hax was basically trespassed from every tournament, and as far as I am aware, this is something that private business can do at their discretion. So for me, I wanted Hax to be able to compete because everyone knew deep down that Hax wasn't a threat, not even to Leffen, but they kept him ban "for his own good". Instead of having some legal pushback to allow Hax to compete. But if anyone is more well-versed in the law, please let me know what exactly Hax's mom could sue for that would actually hold merit and not just a lawsuit that financially ruin people's lives.
 
>guy makes unhinged schizo rant defaming you >You go on to win tournaments> Defamer diesLeffen is obviously a born winner. He thrives while his enemies literally die. I mean this objectively regardless of his character. Leffen is the main character here even if he is an anti-hero and the people nipping at his heels are just NPCs.
Rip HAX$ this life just wasn't your story. You were born merely to play a part in the story of Leffen, a man born different, born bigger.
 
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Given that Hax wrote and publicly made available statements such as this of his own free will, the chances of any lawsuit against anyone going anywhere except summary dismissal are less than 0.
 
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