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I don't think this disqualifies him. He can learn on the go. What matters is his willingness to learn from mistakes.

IMO it was temporary rush of shit to the brain, which even the most diligent and conscientious 10X suffers from occasionally.

This does not make metux a schizoposter. Sure, it was a dumb mistake, but an easy one to make when reading code. I'm sure he knew that ^ is xor, but he overlooked it. It's similar to when your brain "corrects" text so that you don't notice a spelling error. You know what it should be and miss what it is.

Reading the XLibre thread at FreeBSD forums I just get "he's in over his head" vibes from this guy, and the impression that his patches at freedesktop / RedHat weren't exactly rejected for nothing. (or only to push Wayland or troongenda)

But we'll see how this plays out.
 
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I like his attempt to minimize FDT's ban by saying "well they banned him for saying they were colluding against X11" because he also chose the fence-sitter route of not giving an opinion on whether he was correct, because no, Brodie, pushing someone out for trying to do development and then banning him for pointing that out is not better than banning him for forking the project. Of course, his theory would plausible, except that Lunduke caught these people getting upset at him (and anyone else) for thinking that they have the right to fork Xorg, because for some reason they think they own X11, and the Sebastian guy admitted that they "worked hard" to kill X11.
 
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although they don't like the name
XWraith > XLibre. And they even have a logo.
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Reading the XLibre thread at FreeBSD forums I just get "he's in over his head" vibes from this guy, and the impression that his patches at freedesktop / RedHat weren't exactly rejected for nothing. (or only to push Wayland or troongenda)
I think you are a bit naive. I don't think ditching X11 support from GNOME and Ubuntu is a coincidence, when it happened IMMEDIATELY after his ban. Also Wayland is still half-baked, not ready to replace X11.
Probably you are right he is still a beginner and might screw up the code (some mistakes are indeed beginner level, and I consider myself weak at C programming), but I like his initiative. Looking at FreeBSD forums I only see some people criticizing him: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/...r-all-the-fish-hello-xlibre.98054/post-705223 (https://archive.ph/wip/TeVOg)

Yeah, this one gave me the heebie-jeebies. The guy's doing "cleanup" and breaks admittedly ugly and crufty functionality that is required for the Nvidia driver.

Uhm ... interesting, looking at the MR description: "Various cleanups in randr codebase, eg. using calloc(), [...]" -- so there it is again! What the ... someone has an obsession with calloc(). I guess he saw crashes caused by uninitialized reads in the past and decided it's best to hide them unconditionally in the first place. If you'd ever do that, you'd hide that behind some build flag only for release builds (to reduce the risk of fallout in production) and do something like "the opposite" in debug builds (fill the memory with some known pattern to help with identifying the actual bugs).


Then again he was castigated for taking 16 hours to fix a bug in the main branch! As he rightly mentions, the only reason it's such a big deal to break the main branch is many people are running it because there hasn't been a release in forever. Note that the guy who found and filed the bug is a big defender of Mr. Weigelt.
Hm, looking at this in isolation, it indeed seems like a stark overreaction. But who knows, the picture might change with context. Regarding master (or main in other projects ... side note, I really don't care what's the default name for the default branch, but I hate the confusion that was created here unnecessarily ...), it's not uncommon these days to have a "always releasable" policy, even if it's regularly broken by accident, even if you have regular releases and ask (most) users to use these ... see e.g. FreeBSD's "src" repository. Obviously, this guy has a different model of that branch in mind, but if you contribute to some project, you should respect their policies.
I really can't make my mind up on this one. I'm going to wait and see.
Well, I made up my mind. I can't claim 100% confidence in my assessment, but it really seems to fit. Of course, first reading these silly MAGA, anti-DEI, anti-"woke" statements in the "fork drama" kind of set the stage, and quickly finding older stories (anti-vax conspiracy bs, "alternative" WW1/WW2 history) completed that. Even if it wasn't such idiotic nonsense, so many political statements in the totally wrong context (OSS development) would always raise an eyebrow.

But then, seeing this ridiculous bug linked here, I still had a look at the actual code, finally looking at several commits leading to that bug. And what I found were changes that were mostly pointless, and if not, not well thought of and "half-assed". Yes, with just 4 or 5 commits I looked at, and this guy probably having created thousands of them, it's not representative. But it's still an astonishing coincidence, cause what I found matches exactly what was stated in various FDO gitlab MRs and issues by other developers who got annoyed.

Just to get that straight, it's fine to introduce new bugs, even in your default branch, occassionally, cause there's simply no way to reliably avoid them (short of not doing any work at all). And then you find them and fix them. The problem here is not introducing new bugs, it's introducing bugs doing changes that don't make much sense (pointless, not adding any value). You're looking at them and just ask .... "Why ...?"

I like his attempt to minimize FDT's ban by saying "well they banned him for saying they were colluding against X11" because he also chose the fence-sitter route of not giving an opinion on whether he was correct, because no, Brodie, pushing someone out for trying to do development and then banning him for pointing that out is not better than banning him for forking the project. Of course, his theory would plausible, except that Lunduke caught these people getting upset at him (and anyone else) for thinking that they have the right to fork Xorg, because for some reason they think they own X11, and the Sebastian guy admitted that they "worked hard" to kill X11.
Brodie pretty much dismisses any criticism of SystemD, Wayland, RedHat (except for that scandal of closing the source of RHLE). It strikes me as one of those atheists/progressives trying to fact check or be contrarian to what I say. He even quoted guys like Hector Martin, Drew DeVault. This guy is IMO not as woke as many Linux devs, but he is safe and toes the line. But I like that he praises Vaxry and his Hyperland project.
 
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Brodie pretty much dismisses any criticism of SystemD, Wayland, RedHat (except for that scandal of closing the source of RHLE). It strikes me as one of those atheists/progressives trying to fact check or be contrarian to what I say. He even quoted guys like Hector Martin, Drew DeVault. This guy is IMO not as woke as many Linux devs, but he is safe and toes the line. But I like that he praises Vaxry and his Hyperland project.
He's certainly not as bad as someone like Nicco but he did in fact defend the GNOME Shaman (who wasn't even a real shaman, just some larper woman selling "shaman water"). He's basically a far leftist who wants to appeal to "both sides" and tries to be reasonable and do research. I would make a joke about how it's too hard for him to figure out that Mozilla is about to lose 80% of their income, and that's the reason why they're shuttering failed projects, but I actually watched the video with that title and it was clickbait, Mozilla wasn't even really shuttering their new AI project but rather they had already put it in the browser itself and got rid of the extension.
FreeBSD tranny said:
reading these silly MAGA, anti-DEI, anti-"woke" statements in the "fork drama" kind of set the stage, and quickly finding older stories (anti-vax conspiracy bs, "alternative" WW1/WW2 history) completed that. Even if it wasn't such idiotic nonsense, so many political statements in the totally wrong context (OSS development) would always raise an eyebrow.
Confirmed in my belief that anyone who uses a demon as a mascot is a tranny or otherwise demonic (uhh, no, chud, it's just a heckin' computer reference). Although it will hurt adoption in the short term (I don't believe this current thing will last for that long) it was absolutely the right decision to make his anti-JEDI (justice, equity, diversity, and inclusion) statement, because you need to actively exclude these freaks. To quote that guy on Github, "it's filtering out the worst people". Also, the idea that people should not talk about politics in "oss" (it's clearly a FLOSS project, not oss) is an idiotic idea that presumes both that people should be forced to shut up about about their interests and that politics is less important than software, and besides, the people who say this nearly always mean "thing I disagree with" when they say "political" (including the non-wokes like Lunduke). How many of these leftists complaining about the "political" project are upset about GNOME or whoever else celebrating pride month? Tl;dr Metux should've gone the full way and used +NIGGER (not really).
Also, tried to find that WW1/2 revisionism (and gave up), but I did find this interesting interview he gave recently where he explains his goals https://felipec.wordpress.com/2025/06/11/enrico-weigelt/
Apparently he hopes to get Linux phones actually working.
 
I've been using the experimental packages on the Artix repos and it has been working fine. The WIP security stuff like XNamespaces is promising and seems like Waylanders will run out of shit to claim advantages over.
If it's not Enrico who succeeds, someone will step up and keep Xorg from completely shriveling up and dying. I've said this before but Xorg has even bigger utility importance than window manager/desktop environment usage alone.
I think with an accessible project no longer under freedesktop.org and Red Hat, people will be more inclined to step up and contribute. A LOT of people hate freedesktop.org and Red Hat, and for good reason. A progressing fork away from those people will be a lot easier to pick up the reigns for.
 
I think with an accessible project no longer under freedesktop.org and Red Hat, people will be more inclined to step up and contribute. A LOT of people hate freedesktop.org and Red Hat, and for good reason. A progressing fork away from those people will be a lot easier to pick up the reigns for.
Bingo. GNOME doesn't even target Linux any more. I submitted a bug request once about a specific kernel option, which I disable. Their shitware doesn't work unless your Linux is configured EXACTLY as RedHat ships. Labeled NOTABUG and ignored. We needed liberation from the "FreeDesktop" retards, and finally someone who isn't afraid of being canceled stepped up.

This kind of cargocult bullshit by Redhat/IBM/corposoft is WHY I left programming as a career to be a blue collar grunt: it's obvious that it's incredibly controlled, and if you don't actively pursue Good Boy Points, you don't get a job, and it's only getting worse.
 
I think with an accessible project no longer under freedesktop.org and Red Hat, people will be more inclined to step up and contribute. A LOT of people hate freedesktop.org and Red Hat, and for good reason. A progressing fork away from those people will be a lot easier to pick up the reigns for.
Looking at the crazy amount of stars alone from the github this seems plausible.
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Confirmed in my belief that anyone who uses a demon as a mascot is a tranny or otherwise demonic (uhh, no, chud, it's just a heckin' computer reference).
Hey now nigger, don't go bashing on my BSD. Eventhough the whole "hur dur maga" opinion is retarded, as long as its all talk and the people espousing them continue to contribute good, non-RHEL poisoned code, I'm game. Same reason I don't dislike Antix Linux despite their poster boy being an ugly, lanky tankie with a "Free Palestine" and flag plastered up on the homepage. FreeBSD is leaps and bounds better than that of course, and OpenBSD doubly so. Hopefully we'll see Xlibre ports before 15.0 hits release day.
Apparently he hopes to get Linux phones actually working.
Hope so. We need a proper Linux phone distro since Postmarket cucked out by adding systemd shit a few months back and the GrapheneOS head dev is having his spack attack over Android potentially going closed source.
 
Reading the XLibre thread at FreeBSD forums I just get "he's in over his head" vibes from this guy, and the impression that his patches at freedesktop / RedHat weren't exactly rejected for nothing. (or only to push Wayland or troongenda)

But we'll see how this plays out.
The thing is he isn't alone in this fork, a lot of developers who wanted to contribute to X11 but were turned away by the Freedesktop cult will be attracted to Xlibre and will act as additional eyes to catch mistakes and to help contribute more support to it.

With the whole X11/Wayland mess happening right now, do I have to ditch Linux Mint? Its currently at LM21.
I don't see why you would need to, Linux Mint will likely continue to support X11 for at least six years after which either the Xlibre project will be mature or adopted or or switches to Wayland. To be honest I'm not really understanding the connection between X11 being forked and you having to abandon LM, as any other reasons would either apply to other distros or those other distros would create even more complications
 
Tried to take a look at Devuan mailing lists to see if there was any discussion of xlibre, and the consensus more or less is that Enrico is a sperg, GH comments are astroturfed, and anyone who willingly puts their repo on "M$ GitHub" is automatically not worth being taken seriously. - https://marc.info/?l=dng&m=174959686918425&w=2, continued in https://marc.info/?t=174966989200001&r=1&w=2
The highlight, though, was this message - https://marc.info/?l=dng&m=174961881529734&w=2
Arnt Karlsen said:
..he may have some weird politics, sooo, ;o) I'll share my own
reasoning for joining that new humanoid(?) race: His Excellency
the Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has long been
credibly accused of corruption and credibly accused of clinging
to power to stay out of prison.
To win re-election 5 years ago at the onset of the COVID epidemic,
he basically first raided Pfizer–BioNTech and then Moderna for
enough mRNA-based vaccines to get enough voters safely past the
elections so they could vote to keep him out of prison... which
is why he would have to choose the safest vaccine he at that time
could find to carry on staying out of prison... which again is how
I arrived at my conclusion to join that new humanoid(?) race ;oD
(we got the same stuff here in Norway).
Completely unprompted. Not sure what he's trying to say here, nor why is it relevant.
 
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Correct. I never understood why do so many OS projects jump to the wolf in sheeps clothing that is Github...
You might as well ask why there are Youtubers that talk about privacy or try to push the envelope of bannable topics. Simply put, Github is very popular and people are familiar with it. What are you even afraid of, it will be slightly easier for Microsoft to train their AI because they don't need to use an API scraper?
 
Correct. I never understood why do so many OS projects jump to the wolf in sheeps clothing that is Github...
The same reason people use Discord, Twitter and YouTube. It's free and it has the largest userbase. It's the easiest to set up and the easiest to contribute to. They want the recognition that someone maintaining some vital piece of software tucked away in a small, generally inaccessible corner of the internet will not get. So they rebase on GitHub where they can feel good about their follower count and their stars increasing. They can then put that retarded widget which scores them on their profile. Setting up a Gitea/GitLab/stagit instance, or a mailing list requires both effort and maintenance and has practically zero returns. People aren't willing to do it anymore.
You might as well ask why there are Youtubers that talk about privacy or try to push the envelope of bannable topics. Simply put, Github is very popular and people are familiar with it. What are you even afraid of, it will be slightly easier for Microsoft to train their AI because they don't need to use an API scraper?
I'm not putting it past Microsoft to remove the repository. At any time they can point at the Community Guidelines and nuke it.
 
I'm not putting it past Microsoft to remove the repository. At any time they can point at the Community Guidelines and nuke it.
Any developer should have a local copy of their git history that they can put on Gitea or Bitbucket or whatever whenever they want, so even this isn't a concern unless you're running a high risk project eg you're using +nigger or something.
 
Correct. I never understood why do so many OS projects jump to the wolf in sheeps clothing that is Github...
problably because Microsoft talkes a more hands off approach and won't completly ban you from the platform for wrongthink, or even radical rightthink.

at the bare minimum it's a lot more public, which is necessary when you are trying to attract more core devs. once enough core devs join they can problably move to some obscure mailing list but that will still hide the project and force it to stagnate.
 
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Any developer should have a local copy of their git history that they can put on Gitea or Bitbucket or whatever whenever they want, so even this isn't a concern unless you're running a high risk project eg you're using +nigger or something.
Ideally, even if you host the main repo somewhere else, you want to have a read-only GitHub mirror that links back to you simply for discoverability. Because that's the place people will go to search for it, unless you can hit 1st page on Google otherwise (you can't).
 
Brodie pretty much dismisses any criticism of SystemD, Wayland, RedHat (except for that scandal of closing the source of RHLE). It strikes me as one of those atheists/progressives trying to fact check or be contrarian to what I say. He even quoted guys like Hector Martin, Drew DeVault. This guy is IMO not as woke as many Linux devs, but he is safe and toes the line. But I like that he praises Vaxry and his Hyperland project.
I tend to get the feeling, he is a lot less neutral than he gives off. If you watch his videos over time, and see what he chooses to discuss. And the way he dismisses things. I think he just isn't a completely spurg/retard like a lot of the super progressives. He's actually careful in what he says. And the ideas he pushes. Which is something he's basically said in the past in one of his videos. He's got so many finding it would be a pain. But he eludes to it being his intention that people not know what he believes.

Actually I might have linked in this thread now that I think about it. Because I think he mentioned people raging because he talked to a tranny or something. Not sure.

Antix Linux
I mean, Antix iirc isn't just left leaning. From what I remember they are full on antifa.

Personally I really wouldn't care, at least it has no effect on if I use it or not. But for people that do. They are about as left leaning as a project can possibly be.



All the quotes I would do from here are a page back. But on the DEI stuff in the readme.

I still think it overall is a bad move. You can say, it's keeping the retard trannies out. But in the end if good developers aren't willing to contribute. It's going to be an overall detriment to the project. When he could have just started it. Took code from people. And if they end up being retard trannies that fuck things up, ban them from contributing.
Now it gives ammo to Red Hat/IBM and it's tranny dick sucking contributors. To give anyone shit for contributing. For distros officially adopting it. And people talking about retarded identity politics instead of things that actually matter.

Not saying it's going to kill the project alone. But it's an obviously bad move to start something that would need wide adoption across linux to make a real difference, that is already going up against IBM with that attached to it from the beginning.
 
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