2025 Israel vs Iran War

Meanwhile, the US military, which most people here despise because they were too retarded to know they were buying into foreign propaganda, accomplished all of these precision strikes while showing off fat spic women in recruitment ads.
The US Air Force isnt the US Navy isnt the US Army isnt the Marine Corps. The Air force never ran an "Emma and her two moms" ad, their ads feature normal people and brag about how strong they are like any other armed force. So do those of the Navy and the Marines.
Those are completely different administrations and hierarchies with their own training and organisation. You cant conclude from the actions of the Air Force that the Army is doing just fine despite being a public laughingstock because the US Army had nothing to do with those attacks.
I dont think the US Army is capable to meet a peer on the field at all right now, they are bunch of undisciplined mystery meat slobs. So its convenient that the US Army doesnt have to fight a peer enemy in the foreseeable future so it kinda doesnt matter. Problem is going to be getting them back in shape if a peer who cannot be defeated by Air or Naval operations aided by the Marines does start to emerge.
This rarted mentality is how you get a budget overwhelmed by veteran's affairs disability payments. Costs aren't just a diploma goofus.

Worst part is, retards pretend to want this and then later question the exorbitant expenses with taking care of the large number of disabled veterans afterward. VA claims backlog is disgustingly long ( a permanent crisis given how things are operated, any decrease is always outpaced by the usual once a generation conflict), why are we so eagerly inviting an even greater amount of them?
Dude who cares what kind of pussy logic is that? You cant do anything because soldiers might get hurt by the enemy? They signed up for it so they can be expected to hold their neck out when needed.
 
A whole lot of huff and puff but no energy to blow the house down. Massie on Top. Trump can stay seething.

Besides which, the 2026 midterms are a long-ass way off and a lot can happen between now and then. Like further escalations in this Iran-Israel-USA thing, which he will have to deal with.
 
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I dont think the US Army is capable to meet a peer on the field at all right now, they are bunch of undisciplined mystery meat slobs. So its convenient that the US Army doesnt have to fight a peer enemy in the foreseeable future so it kinda doesnt matter. Problem is going to be getting them back in shape if a peer who cannot be defeated by Air or Naval operations aided by the Marines does start to emerge.
The Army isn't supposed to fight on its own, it's supposed to fight with the Chair Force providing combined arms. aka the Chair Force is supposed to do 70% of the work
 
Iran sent a communiqué to Trump in the days before last night's attacks threatening to activate sleeper-cell terror inside the United States if it were attacked, sources tell NBC News
Come on mudlsimes, do something, I want all the useful idiot fellow traveller faggots shitting up my bathroom stalls with their shitty palestine stickers to get blown the fuck out by some proper policing for once.
It'll be funny, do it!
 
Come on mudlsimes, do something, I want all the useful idiot fellow traveller faggots shitting up my bathroom stalls with their shitty palestine stickers to get blown the fuck out by some proper policing for once.
It'll be funny, do it!
You're in the UK, there's no way pro palestinian lefties would be punished
 
Iran sent a communiqué to Trump in the days before last night's attacks threatening to activate sleeper-cell terror inside the United States if it were attacked, sources tell NBC News
Huh, kinda sounds like terrorism and the attempt to spread fear via the targeting of civilians. One can only imagine why it failed to convince Trump that they were worth negotiating with.
 
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People believe what they want to believe — especially if they’re too proud to admit they don’t understand logistics and lack knowledge of the context and background of the events. That’s exactly what we’ve been seeing ITT from day one, too. All the salt in the world won’t change reality to conform to their delusions, but we can still enjoy watching the saline flow anyway. I know I am.
Notice how this guy just declares victory but won't give a specific counterargument, hell he can't even be bothered to say what context is missing, what delusions people have or even reply to the person he's supposedly salt mining.

Sorry moshe, ill stick with primary sources over your womanly passive aggression.


And um, how many times has the USA implemented "regime change" that worked out wonderfully
I'd guess you're asking rhetorically but

Japan
Germany
Austria
Belgium
France
Italy
The Netherlands
The Phillipines

Or in other words, WWII era victories.

Regime change is pretty effective after a total war when you kill every fighting age male. When a country is brought to its knees and or was an sattelite state of a different occupying force, nation buidling has its place. But its also very costly in lives.

In order to circumvent the need for mass troop commitments, casualties and the outmoding of total war with the advent of the A-Bomb, post WWII/cold war presidents began relying on CIA covert operations to stoke coups and uprisings in order to acheive nation building. This was much less successful in the long term, because it recruited and armed many fighting aged males, instead of sending them to the meat grinder. But in terms of American lives, it preferable to overt war, though it's results are usually temporary. Typically CIA actions have been a mix of toppling popular revolutions, reinstating former leaders, enabling CIA controlled puppets and supporting prefered forces in a civil war.

*Mosaddegh's popular recolution being overthrown and replaced by the reinstated shah in Iran
*Allende's socialist uprising in Chile being overthrown with Track II
*The Mujahadeen in Afghanistan
*Supporting Habre in Chad

There were softer popular revolutions against the USSR in Poland and East Germany, though not bloodless, they were the standard bearer for Reagan/Bush 1 era diplomacy, though Gorbachev's perestroika and glasnost policies to openness and reform in sattelite states was the bigger catalyst for the fall of the iron curtain.

Korea, Vietnam were overt wars to quell civil wars and maintain relationships with prefered sides, and since they were fought with half measures they ranged from disaster to catastrophe.

Iraq and Afghanistan were also part of the failed half measures occupation campagins , though sold to the American public as anti terrorist campaigns instead of anti communist. Instead of fearing communism blocks could overtake the west, the now unipolar world revolving around the united had the new boogiemen of of rougue states and non military actors. Typically called the Bush doctrine, though really implemented by Clinton and Bush 1, states the US deemed unstable could be overtly bombed when politically expedient. Iraq was the patient zero of unipolar as Clinton bombed them several times throughout his presidency after Bush 1 had successfully crippled the bathist forces in 1991. Yemen, Syria, Libya have all been continuations of our

In almost every case these rogue nations were headed by former allies or guerrilla cells once funded by the US. Outliers like the the breakup of Yugoslavia after the death of Tito and the Bosnian conflict could be considered successes of humanitarian relief and US intervention. It should be considered the exception to the rule.

You can nation build quite easily under a few conditions
1. The war is considered justified internally by your population
2. You kill most of the fighting aged men that oppose you
3. You either repel an occupying force or cripple a militaristic one so completely the nation you are building sees the former regime as weak.

Half measure wars never achieve these because if what you are fighting is truly so evil it is worth committing to, you should be dropping nukes. You can't drop nukes though, and thusly war has been outmoded in practice, and we've been experiencing it's death throws in the late 20th and early 21st century. The only place left for conventional total war is among non nuclear states or China and the United States, two countries so intertwined that the objective of bringing the other to kneel would tank your own economy. If that ends up being WW3 it will be the most preposterous of all wars.

Peacekeeping has some benefits, despite my governments retarded cycle of arming retards to bomb them later, we secured internatiinal shipping routes for nearly a century and raised the global standard of living unfathomable amounts. Which is a decent comp to McNamara's stewardship over Vietnam while also leading the commercial adoption of seatbelts.

Win some, lose some I guess

ARASH AZIZI: A group of Iranian businessmen, political and military figures, and relatives of high-ranking clerics, two sources involved in the discussions told me, have begun hatching a plan for running Iran without Khamenei


Well if we're pretending Iran was any closer to a nuke 2 weeks ago than it was 15 years ago then why not parrot the "Iran is primed for a revolution" for the 20th straight year. It's a great pretext to a ground invasion and I'm sure everyone will be welcomed as liberators and well hold hands in a joint EDM concert.

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Snark aside if it was a popular uprising I wouldn't be against it, but having the US and Israel attack Iran when Iran defines its existence as being opposed the US and Israel ... well that isn't going to be spurring any popular uprisings.
 
there's no way pro palestinian lefties would be punished
>he doesn't know
"legal" groups (aka: infiltrated to shit and extremely kosher) can get away with a lot, proscribed orgs? They get came down on like a tonne of bricks, expect brutality if they actually try anything.
 
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The Army isn't supposed to fight on its own, it's supposed to fight with the Chair Force providing combined arms. aka the Chair Force is supposed to do 70% of the work
Which is why they are held to a higher standard than the army, a glorified daycare center for ghetto niggers and spics.
Point is the way an organization presents itself to the public does reflect its state. So I wouldn't get too comfortable with the current state of things and this "we only present ourselves as weak and those who present themselves as strong are actually weak" attitude.
 

How many years was the Iranian nuclear program reversed?

"The assessment is that we have set it back more than a decade."
How long should the public prepare for?

"We prepared the public for a protracted campaign. It is not up to us, but to the Iranians. If the Iranians go with us to a war of attrition, it will be a long campaign, and there is still time. But that's not what we want, we want to close the event soon – this week – and if that happens, it's up to Khamenei. If he shoots non-stop, we'll have to respond; we won't be able to absorb it. It is in our interest not to prolong this event."
Is there an interceptor economy?

"We continue to produce interceptors, and the defense establishment has increased its budgets. Everything has an expiration date. The main goal we achieved is the nuclear program; there are the missiles and the launchers, and we will continue this in the coming days. But we achieved the main goal, severe damage to the nuclear facilities."
What is Israel's overarching goal in the campaign against Iran? Is it still limiting the nuclear program or overthrowing a regime?

"The overarching goal has always been the nuclear program; overthrowing the regime was not a goal. Undermining the regime as a result of the attacks is possible, but overthrowing the regime was not, originally, a goal."
Will Israel be satisfied with harming the nuclear infrastructure, or will it act to achieve a broader victory on the axis of resistance?

"If tomorrow Khamenei stops the shooting and says he wants to go to the end of the event, we will accept it."
Is Israel now expecting a nuclear agreement?

"We don't see him entering into negotiations.
Is there an understanding between Israel and the United States about the "day after the attack"? What is the agreement regarding the future?

"Right now we want to see what Khamenei does," the sources stressed. "If he puts the Americans on the offensive is a different story; if he chooses to attack only Israel is a different story. In general, the U.S. would like to see Iran enter into negotiations, but we have to wait and see how it develops. If Khamenei attacks an American base, everything changes. The question is what he will do. If he attacks the Americans, if he attacks only Israel, if he goes to negotiations, if he surrenders. As far as we're concerned, we don't want to prolong the campaign."




Iran is deliberately hurting population centers in Israel, and Israel is focusing its attacks on military and government targets. Is Israel considering changing this equation?

Responding to this question, the officials emphasized that "we are not Iran - and we are not killing civilians. Once it deliberately harms citizens and we don't, it buys us legitimacy. We were able to make Iran a global problem. Paris, Rome and New York also understand very well what it would be if it came to them. We are a democratic state and not a dictatorship - and not killing civilians. "



What do Israel say about Iran's enriched uranium accumulation, and was it destroyed during the night's attacks?

"We have no final verification. Even if not entirely, we hope at least 80% to 90% are affected. It's an early stage, and we're waiting to get verified and know in the coming days, even if not on the millimeter, what is the extent of the damage done. "


How many launchers and missiles did they still have?

Routineers have eliminated more than 50%. Remained about two hundred. Missiles have about 1,500. "


Are the Iranians preparing revenge in the form of attacks abroad against Israeli and Jewish targets?

"Overseas attacks – It's always on the agenda, so we increase alertness and make a great effort to thwart."


Where are the ministers who are members of the War Cabinet these days?

“They are in a bunker, and there they are also asleep. Their families are not with them, but in other hiding places. Only the ministers are in the bunker. Sarah Netanyahu didn't sleep in the bunker either. "
 
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Dude who cares what kind of pussy logic is that?
The kind of logic thats too personally, intimately familiar with the flawed VA system. The same logic that sees an unending amount of money being blown wastefully on a preventable problem.
You cant do anything because soldiers might get hurt by the enemy?
If you wanna be gay and retarded, sure those are words I never articulated but go ahead, run with it. I'll be here when you get back complaining like I said over the increasing amount of taxes we will pay to subsidize a generation of crippled veterans and their offspring. My dad rated claims in the VA before he died due to cancer from a service connected injury, I heard/saw horror stories day in and day out and how wildly incompetent we are at caring for them (powerlevel or whatver, that's fine). Handle the ones you got before making more.


If you wanna be adult about it... both the perceived and actual cost is extremely relevant to the goal.
That's why people are complaining here about blowing american lives for some Iranian smoldering crater. Its such a consistent theme of criticism over American foreign war involvement, except for when people collectively agree over the necessity of its purpose, the greatest generation would remind you of that.
Conversely it's fucking moronic to throw people where ever just because you think their contract dictates that they can pay in blood whenever need be, this is one of the may underlying criticisms of how America handled the Vietnam war.

They signed up for it so they can be expected to hold their neck out when needed.
Were you gripping your rod while typing this out? Maybe you got something out of this, I didn't.
 
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