Jason Thor Hall / PirateSoftware / Maldavius Figtree / DarkSphere Creations / Maldavius / Thorwich / Witness X / @PotatoSec - Incompetent Furry Programmer, Blizzard Nepo Baby, Lies about almost every thing in his life, Industry Shill, Carried by his father, Hate boner against Ross Scott of Accursed Farms, False Flagger

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Which will happen first?

  • Jason Hall finishes developing his game

    Votes: 34 0.8%
  • YandereDev finishes developing his game

    Votes: 448 9.9%
  • Grummz finishes developing his game

    Votes: 121 2.7%
  • Chris Roberts finishes developing his game

    Votes: 149 3.3%
  • Cold fusion

    Votes: 1,719 38.0%
  • The inevitable heat death of the universe

    Votes: 2,047 45.3%

  • Total voters
    4,518
Thank god Ross finally called out Mald, even if he still did it with diplomacy, it's obvious by now he doesn't want to meddle with drama, but still; Mald was dishonest from the start, for anyone mildly informed it was clear he was either misunderstanding (if you were charitable to the guy at the beginning) or misrepresenting and lying about SKG (obvious after his interaction with Ross and subsequent videos). If he had started his first rant on SKG with what he actually believed in (i.e., he sees no problem on games shutting down, it's the right of publishers or devs or whoever the fuck to turn off your access to the game remotely) even the most brain fried member of his audience would've batted an eye.
He knows this, he knows his position is wildly unpopular and detested, he knows he would've been at a loss if he played his industry plant role sincerely. That's why he didn't, that's why he decided to play dirty and lie and misrepresent everything and not give Ross an inch of a platform, because if he did the smokescreen would've faded.
Fuck maldavius figtree now and forever.
 
That said, I feel like my take on Stop Killing Games might be insightful to some, so I'll share it
It may also be extremely emotionally triggering and downright offensive to some, if you read it, you're doing it at your own risk
Sorry for the big disclaimer, but some people are just really fucking allergic to anything deeper than "ur mom gay lmao", and generally anything that doesn't align with the way they think the world is run or should be run

I absolutely sympathize with the basic frustration that Stop Killing Games is based on
It is a slap in the fact that you can spend money on a game, love it, depend on it, then wake up one day to find that it's been murdered by its own publisher
It's a betrayal of trust, a reputational disaster, and even a cultural tragedy if it is a historically significant game
I disagree with the solution proposed by Ross though
Pressuring the EU to mandate that publishers must provide "end-of-life" plans for games is dangerously wrong-headed, ethically and strategically
The tragedy is that the goal can be achieved without resorting to statist enforcement, but that requires an examination of the false frame first

The core assumption of the campaign is "If a game is sold under terms that allow the publisher to revoke access later, that term should be considered invalid."
Because it's "unfair", because it "defeats the reasonable expectations of the player", because it "kills preservation".
The problem is that the terms were in the contract. If someone clicked "I agree" to a license that said access may be revoked at any time, then what they purchased was a gamble, not a guarantee. It may be a dumb deal, but it was a voluntary one.
To Ross's credit, he doesn't argue for inventing new rules out of thin air, he points at existing EU consumer law which voids contract terms deemed "unfair"
That's valid on paper, you will not find anyone who agrees that every contract is binding - there absolutely are invalid contracts and invalid terms
But the devil is in the criteria

A contract is invalid if it involves coercion, fraud, mutual impossibility, or violation of property titles
But Ross and the EU twist this into a floating abstraction: "The clause is invalid if it's too lopsided, or if it violates what the average consumer expected."
That's not justice, that's populist paternalism
It's a way of saying "you're too dumb to read the TOS, so daddy government will rewrite it for you"
And it opens the door to making any private agreement retroactively voidable if it proves unpopular enough

Now let's not forget why the games industry is a cartelized mess in the first place
There is a reason why DRM, service-side authentication, revokable licenses, and dependence on proprietary infrastructure exist
They're not some kind of market "inevitability", they are market distortions, and most of them are downstream of state intervention
To name just a few examples:
  • Copyright law incentivizes centralized control and IP lockdowns, punishing preservation
  • Licensing law creates artificial scarcity in digital distribution, limiting resale and modding
  • Tax regimes and corporate compliance burdens push devs towards publisher-backed short lifecycle models to minimize liability
  • The EU's own regulations create an environment where developers must lock things down to avoid future legal risks
And now the solution is supposed to be... ask that same coercive apparatus to rescue the consumer from the conditions they helped create?
That's like calling the arsonist to help put out a fire.


My proposed solution, or the answer to the question "then what should actually be done?", is a cultural and reputational shift
What that could look like is a combination of these things:
  • Build reputational pressure
  • Support projects that offer an open infrastructure
  • Normalize piracy as the archival backstop
  • Educate customers about revokable licenses
In detail:
Just like more intelligent gamers treat microtransactions and lootboxes with scorn, we need to do the same for games without proper archival paths. You don't need laws to create reputational risk. The community can push outlets to flag server-killable games prominently in reviews, add preservation risk warnings to digital storefronts, and create trustworthy developer lists and curators based on archival commitments
Games that allow LAN play, self-hosting, or modular modding deserve praise and money. We can promote design norms that voluntarily accommodate future preservation without legal compulsion. Buy from studios that support this, pirate from those who don't. Let market discipline sort them out.
When a dev refuses to keep a game alive, and no contractual fraud has occurred, then market actors still have disrespect as a last resort. DRM cracking and gray market archiving is ethically defensible when the original owner abdicates their own legacy. No need to pass a law, just act quietly, effectively, and without asking permission.
And most people don't understand what they're agreeing to. That is a tragedy, but it is also an opportunity. We needed clearer language, better consumer info, and maybe even standardized term indicators on games. Imagine a different indicator showing preservable / server-locked / DRM-encumbered. We don't need the EU to enforce that, all we need is communities and platforms to demand it.


I'm not gonna deny that Ross was right about the problem, namely that it is unjust that people lose access to what they pay for, it is cultural vandalism to let historic titles vanish forever, and it induces seethe to see companies yank products from people with no recourse. However, you don't fix broken market incentives by breaking the market further, you don't restore trust by handing more power to regulators, and you don't empower gamers by reinforcing the very consumer infantilization that created the problem in the first place.
The same bureaucrats who spent the last two decades turning tech into a permissions-based nightmare are not the ones who will stop games from being killed.
You will stop games from being killed by treating fragile, revokable products as radioactive. By torching reputations and praising better alternatives and refusing to fund bad design. All you need to win this "war" is a spine, not a law.
 
Thor is that kind of programmer who's so prideful he'd choose to complicate his life and do things in a far more convoluted and time-consuming way than swallow his own pride and work through his old code to improve it and the ever-evolving needs and organization of his project as it develops.

I think Thor both wants games to not die but, as a shity retard developer, can't fathom spending the time re-working old stuff to change it to adapt to a change he assumed would be called of developers.

Thor is a bush league confidence man. What a faggot.
 
Always been a fan of Ross so I'm glad he is finally doing a takedown of PirateSoftware, as late as it is now. PirateSoftware is such an insufferable snarky smug redditor-esque faggot, every appearance triggering Mad At The Internet rage.

As if that wasn't enough, of course his background in many parts of the video is a fucking properties file, to present himself as if he is an actual software developer, when this is on same level of using the scrolling Matrix green text as a kid to make you feel like an elite hacker.
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Me, reading the spoiler warning but opening it anyway:





This whole thing can be summarized as "You will own nothing and be happy"
let us own the things we paid for, dammit!
There's no good reason for blocking games to be supported thru P2P, like many, many retro games that still exist due to fan servers.
I commend Ross for his efforts, but ultimately people don't care enough to make real lasting change, and that's what really sucks.
 
I commend Ross for his efforts, but ultimately people don't care enough to make real lasting change, and that's what really sucks.
The introduction of niggercattle into hobbies is what allows this.
If the fanbase was niche enough they'd never have been able to get away with it.
Sadly popularity is what damns many a thing.
 
Ross needs to stop being so charitable to Mald. It's not that Mald doesn't understand, he does.
What type of guy is Ross?
  • Ross is the type of guy to say "let's engage in a open dialogue so we can come to a mutually beneficial solution."
  • Ross the type of guy to say "you want one?" when he notices you staring at the coffee machine in his home.
  • Ross the type of guy to notice you walking in his home with dirty shoes and assert "Please take off your shoes and put them next to the exit, this floor is tricky to clean" as he walks off to get a mop
  • Ross the type of guy to eat ice cream at a park bench, see a squirrel in a tree and smile contently
  • Ross the type of guy you bump into in the street, apologize, only for him to reply "Don't worry about it." and walks away
  • Ross the type of guy to see you suck at a game, raging and advise "Being bad at a game does not translate to you being bad as a person. Practice makes perfect, you'll get the hang of it in time :)"
  • Ross the type of guy to find a penny on the street saying "don't mind if I do!" then he later shows it to you gleefully saying it's his lucky coin
  • Ross the type of guy to choose support in league of legends because nobody else wanted to but he's good at it even if he enjoys playing Top more.
  • Ross the type of guy to say "gg" to the defense lawyer in court after losing a case
  • Ross the type of guy to get enraged at a unfair kill in counter strike, preparing to scream out "N-" only to catch himself and mutter "nuts..."
What type of guy is Jason?
  • Jason the type of guy you plan weeks in advance to hang out with, he cancels the day before you were supposed to meet up, only to hit you up a month later saying "Man we don't hang out often, huh?"
  • Jason the type of guy you beat in a racing game on xbox, only for him to get unusually quiet, cross his arms, pout and look away. When asked "You okay, dude?" he mutters "I'm fine..." then pulls out his phone to scroll twitter, turning away.
  • Jason the type of guy to say "ah geez... that's not pretty." when witnessing a catastrophic highway pile up, killing 30 people and injuring 9.
  • Jason the type of guy to say "I got this." when buying fast food, paying for your food. Only next time in the same fast food joint to look at you after ordering saying "Bro I treated us last time, it's your turn."
  • Jason the type of guy to say "You know, my friends mom died too like... 5 years ago. Shit sucks, man." at your moms funeral during a moment of silence.
  • Jason the type of guy not to cross himself when entering a Church with a self satisfying smirk saying "God... yeah right." under his chin.
  • Jason the type of guy to put up a "game developer needed with [game engine name] experience" ad, you sign up due to having experience. The first interview question is "So... you know how to draw?", you reply no, which prompts him to sigh disappointingly and scratch something off in a text book.
  • Jason the type of guy who says "I have a partner" unprompted when you meet him for the first time ever, only to ask you a week later "is he/she single? Whats his/her socials?" when he notices a attractive friend/acquaintance of yours
  • Jason the type of guy to say "No rushing and no nukes until 5 minutes!" in a 1v1 command and conquer skirmish and still gets salty if you beat him fair and square.
  • Jason the type of guy to say "didn't get to that one yet, heard it was interesting." referring to a decorative book in your home with no title and blank pages.
  • Jason the type of guy you have to annoying wait for to catch up on a hike because he noticed a interesting patch of mushrooms
 
Pressuring the EU to mandate that publishers must provide "end-of-life" plans for games is dangerously wrong-headed, ethically and strategically
The tragedy is that the goal can be achieved without resorting to statist enforcement, but that requires an examination of the false frame first
in case it wasnt obvious this guy is a libertarian sperg he made a thread to seethe about people hating scalpers.
I have shown logically that scalpers do nothing that is ethically wrong.
 
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in case it wasnt obvious this guy is a libertarian sperg that made a thread to seethe about people hating scalpers.
I already think incredibly lowly of this retard, since he continuously posts chatGPT slop to this thread while adding nothing of real value:
As a bonus, here's my based (cf. ChatGPT thread) ChatGPT's take on Ross vs. Thor in that video:
Simping for scalpers (the worst scum of the consooooomer market) seems on brand for this retard.

I'm surprised he's not sucking off mald, since he seems to value low-effort posting, outsourcing his thinking, and applauding the worst aspects of capitalism, much like Mald himself.
 
Games that allow LAN play, self-hosting, or modular modding deserve praise and money. We can promote design norms that voluntarily accommodate future preservation without legal compulsion. Buy from studios that support this, pirate from those who don't. Let market discipline sort them out.
So basically a "vote with your wallet" type of argument. I can't avoid acting cynical towards that argument because I honestly don't remember a time where it has worked. Star Wars Battlefront 2 comes to mind but what ultimately killed that kind of gambling-esque microtransactions was, ironically enough, regulation.
 
Ross has managed to go 20 years on YouTube without getting into any major drama or nosediving his career. If that doesn't say something about him as a person I don't know what would.

Jason the type of guy you have to annoying wait for to catch up on a hike because he noticed a interesting patch of mushrooms
As a fungal enthusiast I resent this remark. Wild mushrooms are neat.
 
Ross had the bad luck of not being as niggery and open to rolling around a bit in the mud, although that in itself is a very commendable position even if unrealistic. Which is ironic considering Maldavius's entire excuse was that we shouldnt use the law to benefit the people because it would force poor poor game devs to, not pointlessly take away licenses of content you've paid for....
Of course, Maldavius himself abuses the law when it benefits him with the DMCA, but he is just a poor widdle game dev, insane behavior dude
 
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"Vote with your wallet" argument coming from the guy who thinks that "scalpers do nothing that is ethically wrong."

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This garbage is from chatGPT too isn't it?

Are you allergic to forming your own thoughts and opinions? Please tell me more about how companies taking things away that I paid for is moral.
 
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