💪 Tough Guys Hector Martin / Héctor Martín Cantero / @marcan42 / マルカン / @marcan42x / @marcan@treehouse.systems / Asahi Lina / Asahi Linux - Developer of Asahi Linux with a VTuber persona. Made Byuu's death unbelievable. Constantly accuses others of harassment and abuse. Hates Hacker News and Kiwi Farms.

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Pluciferous said:
There are about 5 people still working on it. Within the past few days they rebased their changes on the 6.15 and 6.16 kernels and cut corresponding releases, and have implemented a Rust-based Apple Device Tree parser in the m1n1 bootloader.

It’s definitely not a dead project.
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The only people talented enough to reverse engineer the graphics or chip stacks are gone. M1 and M2 machines are showing their age and there are still basic missing features for those machines (especially for anything missing an HDMI port so that cheap MacBook Air you got won’t work with an external display). The modern machines will never be reverse-engineered (not by anyone associated with this project anyway), so yeah, cool, keep updating the kernel — the project is still effectively dead for anyone who wants it as more than a toy to use with a 5 year old laptop.

Hector's troon/VTuber bullshit aside, I liked the idea of Asahi. But this project is over. Anyone who would be skilled enough to do this sort of work certainly wouldn’t bother with it now, given all the drama.

And given how much stuff and how many apps don’t work on it, this isn’t even an OS you’d want to give to a retarded relative when Apple stops supporting their 2020 MacBook Air in a couple of years the way you could slap Linux on some of the old 2010s era MacBooks or iMacs. So this is niche as fuck and that’s fine, but that hardly speaks well for project momentum when the primary hardware folks are gone.

Alyssa did very good work, and unlike Hector, she’s young enough and smart enough to make a real career for herself rather than devolving into weird drama with other fat fucks pretending to be anime girls. But even before she left, this was always Hector's project.

Hopefully someone more stable tries to do something like this in the future. (I would say hopefully a non-troon but let’s be fucking serious, the only people autistic with the skills and free time to care about trying to get Linux working in a non-VM or container on a modern Apple laptop are trannies).
 
Bitch Cakes said:
when Apple stops supporting their 2020 MacBook Air in a couple of years the way you could slap Linux on some older machines...
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NetBSD seems to have some "support" for Apple Silicon, too. I believe they step on some work of Asahi Linux, and I do not expect it to be much more than the Linux port, maybe less, but there have been some small (I imagine) efforts there, too.
 
Bitch Cakes said:
The only people talented enough to reverse engineer the graphics or chip stacks are gone. M1 and M2 machines are showing their age and there are still basic missing features for those machines (especially for anything missing an HDMI port so that cheap MacBook Air you got won’t work with an external display). The modern machines will never be reverse-engineered (not by anyone associated with this project anyway), so yeah, cool, keep updating the kernel — the project is still effectively dead for anyone who wants it as more than a toy to use with a 5 year old laptop.

Hector's troon/VTuber bullshit aside, I liked the idea of Asahi. But this project is over. Anyone who would be skilled enough to do this sort of work certainly wouldn’t bother with it now, given all the drama.

And given how much stuff and how many apps don’t work on it, this isn’t even an OS you’d want to give to a retarded relative when Apple stops supporting their 2020 MacBook Air in a couple of years the way you could slap Linux on some of the old 2010s era MacBooks or iMacs. So this is niche as fuck and that’s fine, but that hardly speaks well for project momentum when the primary hardware folks are gone.
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I am in a tiny minority, because I’ve actually installed the bloody thing on a couple Macs. It works great, and is certainly the best Linux experience I’ve ever had on a laptop.

I suppose I should try your retarded style of techno-pessimism when I read Phoronix every day:

Linux 5.15 LTS To 6.17 Benchmarks: Four Years Of Kernel Improvement Net 37% Improvement On AMD EPYC: OMG, the Linux x86 port is still trying to keep up with the top-of-the-line server chips?! How cute! The fact that it’s taken Linux 4 years to get acceptable performance on these incomprehendingly modern server chips shows how out of their depth and demoralized the Linux x86 engineers are. Give it up already, guys. You have no momentum anymore.

…do you see exactly how retarded you sound, @Bitch Cakes ?


 
Asahi Linux is a dead project insofar as it is very unlikely that chips other than M1 and M2 will ever be supported, and it's unlikely that the GPU drivers for these two chips will ever be completed. Otherwise, I think it's likely that the project will continue and probably even improve until the current team gets bored of it. Asahi Linux is definitely worse than MacOS unless you care a lot about free software or hate Apple a lot, but it can definitely handle web browsing, which is 90% of what people use computers for, and I think it's very unlikely that the M1 will ever be truly obselete, even with 8GB of memory. The bigger problem for the future of Apple Silicon imo is the possibility of ARM Linux dying out entirely, since it was always niche, and x86 has adapted to compete with ARM in its own domain, so that you might not be able to get anything that the distro maintainers don't port to ARM themselves.
 
volatile puar said:
Asahi Linux is a dead project insofar as it is very unlikely that chips other than M1 and M2 will ever be supported, and it's unlikely that the GPU drivers for these two chips will ever be completed.
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It will have a niche use for when Apple does its usual stunt of ceasing operating system updates well before the hardware fails.
 
Somebody should convince Hector that if he ported Haiku to Apple silicon it would make him a real girl. I don't even like Haiku that much, I just want to buy an old MacBook and pretend I live in the alternative universe where Gil Amelio bought Be. I miss the days when MacOS was a totally unique animal.
 
volatile puar said:
The bigger problem for the future of Apple Silicon imo is the possibility of ARM Linux dying out entirely, since it was always niche, and x86 has adapted to compete with ARM in its own domain, so that you might not be able to get anything that the distro maintainers don't port to ARM themselves.
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This actually surprises me a bit, I was under the impression that the market was trying to shift more towards ARM and not away from it.
 
The Taxman said:
This actually surprises me a bit, I was under the impression that the market was trying to shift more towards ARM and not away from it.
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The big 3 cloud providers, Azure, CGP and AWS, all offer ARM instances. So, yea, I don't think it's going anywhere. On the other hand ARM Desktops are generally a pain and you may not see upkeep on the GUI side.
 
The Taxman said:
This actually surprises me a bit, I was under the impression that the market was trying to shift more towards ARM and not away from it.
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Depends which segment you're looking at. Data centres are moving towards ARM because of its power efficiency vs x86, for instance, but consumer OEMs are looking at alternatives.

The problems with ARM are licensing costs and the fact that every chip outside the reference designs has customised, proprietary extensions to the instruction set, unlike x86 (and risc v to some degree, which allows extensions as long as they're open), which means that the market is inherently fragmented. That's not an issue for Apple, which controls its entire ecosystem, but everyone else has to rely on the good-will of myriad OEMs to supply interfaces or drivers for their proprietary extensions. They rarely do. In that market, it's impossible to develop alternative, universal operating systems. Look at the problems marcan himself had porting Linux to apple silicon, or how difficult it is to create open versions of android for specific phone hardware. The closed interfaces make it impossible.
 
teriyakiburns said:
Depends which segment you're looking at. Data centres are moving towards ARM because of its power efficiency vs x86, for instance, but consumer OEMs are looking at alternatives.

The problems with ARM are licensing costs and the fact that every chip outside the reference designs has customised, proprietary extensions to the instruction set, unlike x86 (and risc v to some degree, which allows extensions as long as they're open), which means that the market is inherently fragmented. That's not an issue for Apple, which controls its entire ecosystem, but everyone else has to rely on the good-will of myriad OEMs to supply interfaces or drivers for their proprietary extensions. They rarely do. In that market, it's impossible to develop alternative, universal operating systems. Look at the problems marcan himself had porting Linux to apple silicon, or how difficult it is to create open versions of android for specific phone hardware. The closed interfaces make it impossible.
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The issue plaguing consumer ARM isn't so much the proprietary extensions, it's that a vast majority of the chips shipped aren't standalone CPUs but SoCs. Developers have to figure out the graphics processor out and write drivers with little support from vendors like Qualcomm. It also doesn't help Qualcomm will drop support like a hot potato when they ship out the latest and greatest and interest dies out on the older SoC. It's been an uphill battle getting Linux stable on those laptops. It sucks when you have a $1000 Lenovo X13 and the best distro you can run on it is Raspbian.

The Ampere ARM processors are doing fine albeit with a price tag not matching the performance compared to x86 but you don't have to jury rig Raspbian on those installations.

RISC-V allows proprietary extensions and they don't have to be open, just the base ISA is open.
 
I thought rva23 was supposed to be the core desktop ISA for RV. I'm just an outsider watching the drama unfold, so I don't know. Even as an enthusiastic observer, it feels good to live in a world with more than two architectures again, even if there isn't much I can do aside from write images to SD cards and compile the odd program here and there.

Maybe Hector could get a job with Arca Noae and port OS/2 to Apple Silicon. I bet that would get him closer to being Lina.

It's incredible watching his self destruction. He just completely gave up on his claim to notoriety and retreated into his gooner dungeon, didn't he? I wonder how long until he's a 350lb middle aged ham planet with pimples on his jowls. At least that Ariadne freak has a company. All Hector has is anime kiddie porn. Pathetic.
 
https://bsky.app/profile/lunafoxgirlvt.foxgirls.gay (archive)
https://bsky.app/profile/lunafoxgirlvt.foxgirls.gay/post/3lyflbdumd22h (archive)
TL;DR: I’ve dropped suing Lina; it would likely screw both of us over, with collateral damage far more than I think is reasonable, and I just want to use my time and resources on something more productive.
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And I would still appreciate if she take her docs down. They don’t make either of us look good.
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
https://bsky.app/profile/lunafoxgirlvt.foxgirls.gay (archive)
https://bsky.app/profile/lunafoxgirlvt.foxgirls.gay/post/3lyflbdumd22h (archive)


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I have no ticket to this internet autism festival but sincerely fuck this one nigger in particular. The least you could do after all this bullshit is give people an autistic lawsuit to fawn over and for society to pay its due in having to handle the lawsuit because they didn't have the foresight to grab you the moment your head erupted from your mother's vagina and deposit you into the bottom of a bucket of water for long enough that bubbles stopped rising to the surface.
That's at least the method that some in society used to use to get rid of unwanted pets or genetic monstrosities - of which you are both. Don't get any ideas faggot, you're not a "pet" on account of you almost certainly being some flavor of the month furry derivative but because your genetics are so far removed from the ordinary that you somehow get the unique classifier of being both subhuman and subfurry.

Reminder that eugenics doesn't have to be the science of removing entire races, or indeed anyone from living, it could just be the science of understanding and protecting society from having to deal with the consequences that are wrought upon society by the worst members of the worst race that we have ever had to "share" oxygen with: the fucking furries. They're always fucking furries.

edit: quelle surprise! I take one look at the their fucking bluesky profile and on just the first glance there are like 20 references to them being being a fucking degenerate furry:
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Bill Gates, I know you're reading this thread and I sincerely want off your wild ride: please dedicate your resources to building a time machine so we can send someone back and not include internet explorer by default on tens of millions of computers at a foundational stage of the spread of the internet because it probably would've stopped faggots like this from proliferating
 
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big surprise, a homosexual autogynephile furry man whose only skill is crying about "trauma" to his internet hugbox is impotent. we dont even get the copout solution of a restraining order against his gay ex lover. how unexciting
im sure by the more "productive" pursuits he wants to focus on he means masturbating
 
The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
https://bsky.app/profile/lunafoxgirlvt.foxgirls.gay (archive)
https://bsky.app/profile/lunafoxgirlvt.foxgirls.gay/post/3lyflbdumd22h (archive)
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Interestingly, this came out just after a historic court decision in Denmark, where Luna seems to be from, where a case about misgendering was acquitted and dropped. It was brought on by Nadia Jacobsen, a very notorious mentally ill tranny with a history of doing horrific sissification porn and – you'll never believe this – lobbying for men like him to be able to go in women's locker rooms. As he started getting more attention in mainstream media, a danish journalist found out about his sissification porn hobby and wrote an article (warning: graphic imagery) about it, initiating the lawsuit which gradually faded to be about "defamation", as it isn't illegal to report about a persons past, public porn uploads.
Perhaps this may have put a damper on the lolsuit, which is a shame, as it would've been fun to witness.
 
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