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AI Derangement Syndrome / Anti-AI artists / Pro-AI technocultists / AI "debate" communities - The Natural Retardation in the Artificial Intelligence communities
AFAIK the artist actually does retain copyright to the work they do on commission unless a specific work for hire agreement is in place. Moral of the story: generate your own art instead of paying artists.
Although on the flip side, this was a commission of art of that person's character. If the character has a name, a consistent design, and a backstory, the character itself could be copyrighted to the commissioner. I wonder how that works...is it inherent in a commission that you temporarily waive your rights to a character you might own, in such a way that the artist can't later be sued by you for infringing on your character? Even though you commissioned it?
I actually believe tha this would end up in the Supreme Court, given how serious and convicted both sides are.
To those who do not believe me, even i furries are not in more mainstream positions today, then the political climate of current USA makes a lot of unthinkable things likely.
If it does so, it will probably end up covering for the AI guy. The law doesn't protect people from AI, it protects oligarchies hidden right to screw over anyone and anything for aggressive net loss market gain. Yeah, I'm a bit of a doomer on this, but how could I not be? Really, the biggest tragedy here is how completely retarded the people have been on this, I'm still seeing the same horseshit takes that were around since day one, today. I've been seeing people turning it entirely into a left/right issue, probably because Musk took a side which caused all the midwits to take sides depending on their opinion of him. Everything is just divided and ready to be conquered here, everyone so heavily braindrained. It's a total mess.
I really hope that AI bubble bursting prediction isn't just some myth and that it doesn't turn out to be too big to fail. I really hate the effect this is having on all creative media as a whole. And naturally, I can never hate leftists enough for overplaying their hand and succeeding in deceiving so many people into thinking that this is a left/right issue. If the downsizing means we go back to only what can be generated on local models, I think humanity can adapt to that.
If it does so, it will probably end up covering for the AI guy. The law doesn't protect people from AI, it protects oligarchies hidden right to screw over anyone and anything for aggressive net loss market gain. Yeah, I'm a bit of a doomer on this, but how could I not be? Really, the biggest tragedy here is how completely retarded the people have been on this, I'm still seeing the same horseshit takes that were around since day one, today. I've been seeing people turning it entirely into a left/right issue, probably because Musk took a side which caused all the midwits to take sides depending on their opinion of him. Everything is just divided and ready to be conquered here, everyone so heavily braindrained. It's a total mess.
I really hope that AI bubble bursting prediction isn't just some myth and that it doesn't turn out to be too big to fail. I really hate the effect this is having on all creative media as a whole. And naturally, I can never hate leftists enough for overplaying their hand and succeeding in deceiving so many people into thinking that this is a left/right issue. If the downsizing means we go back to only what can be generated on local models, I think humanity can adapt to that.
I am actually a doomer in the other way: I feel tha the Supreme Court will give in to the anti-AI people becaus, even with Donald in the presidency an DOGE managing things, there i still a very strong 'anti-fascist' presenc even in the Supreme Court. There is also how the oligarchies would profit massively from th extremely strong copyright/trademark laws that would be necessary in making generative AI legally infringing.
I think AI has really struck a nerve in the left because it showed how insanely easy is its to automate them instead of manual laborers or the hard sciences, the two other groups they despise with a passion.
especially in regards to how this applies to internet artists... i've never understood how so many of these people end up being turbo lefties while participating in the most capitalist thing ever (selling your labor on the free market)
when their glorious communist revolution happens, they genuinely think they'll be drawing furry porn comms all day for their comrades instead of being hauled off to the nearest state-owned mine for the rest of their short life (while art generators churn out nonstop propaganda and literally nothing else).
AFAIK the artist actually does retain copyright to the work they do on commission unless a specific work for hire agreement is in place. Moral of the story: generate your own art instead of paying artists.
This makes me think of the conundrum of the EULAs in games for digital media: is the game yours, or is the company allowing you to "borrow it" forever in your digital account?
Only this has more drama and more confusion compared to video games.
especially in regards to how this applies to internet artists... i've never understood how so many of these people end up being turbo lefties while participating in the most capitalist thing ever (selling your labor on the free market)
when their glorious communist revolution happens, they genuinely think they'll be drawing furry porn comms all day for their comrades instead of being hauled off to the nearest state-owned mine for the rest of their short life (while art generators churn out nonstop propaganda and literally nothing else).
They are freeloading niggers who don't know the warnings of those who escape the poverty of Marxist countries. Hell, just ask a Cuban how good they have it - they still have a socialist form government.
Although on the flip side, this was a commission of art of that person's character. If the character has a name, a consistent design, and a backstory, the character itself could be copyrighted to the commissioner. I wonder how that works...is it inherent in a commission that you temporarily waive your rights to a character you might own, in such a way that the artist can't later be sued by you for infringing on your character? Even though you commissioned it?
If it does so, it will probably end up covering for the AI guy. The law doesn't protect people from AI, it protects oligarchies hidden right to screw over anyone and anything for aggressive net loss market gain.
It's not about "protecting people from AI" because there's no law against AI. Same reason that people didn't need to be "protected from computers" in the 80s when a bunch of jobs massively changed. It's not about computers or AI, it's about whether their use falls within what's legal.
In this specific case, it would be a matter of whether an artist's shitty TOS is enforceable. It has nothing to do with AI, but contract law and unenforceably broad demands. I don't care if "AI is naughty wrongthink and deserves to be taken down a peg," I care about not setting bad precedents in contract law.
Broader than that though, there are laws against specific violations of copyright which the majority of AI training doesn't do. Like, provably so. The Supreme Court shouldn't rule against AI if it's not violating the law.
You're looking at this like a leftist, where fairness and equality doesn't matter, instead you come up with all these hypocritical exceptions to principles because bad thing is bad. "Individuals should be allowed to use AI, but corporations should be forced to keep hiring artists, because corporations bad." "Making AI deepfakes of people is bad...unless it's a deepfake of Donald Trump pooping his pants, then it's hilarious and should be totally legal."
I don't think you have much perspective on local models. You can make literally anything that can be represented with pixels, either static or animated. If you can't do it, you can train a LoRA for it. There's even been a lot of encroachment on more powerful technology lately with things like Qwen. Local is barely half a step behind in every area (ahead, in some) except music.
Are any of these furries actually going to go after people infringing on their TOS? Like are they willing to go to court and set a legal precedence over a commission?
Although on the flip side, this was a commission of art of that person's character. If the character has a name, a consistent design, and a backstory, the character itself could be copyrighted to the commissioner. I wonder how that works...is it inherent in a commission that you temporarily waive your rights to a character you might own, in such a way that the artist can't later be sued by you for infringing on your character? Even though you commissioned it?
I really hope that AI bubble bursting prediction isn't just some myth and that it doesn't turn out to be too big to fail. I really hate the effect this is having on all creative media as a whole. And naturally, I can never hate leftists enough for overplaying their hand and succeeding in deceiving so many people into thinking that this is a left/right issue. If the downsizing means we go back to only what can be generated on local models, I think humanity can adapt to that.
My read on the prospect of the AI bubble bursting is that we will go from insane hype, multi-billion dollar valuations, rumors of the coming Artificial General Intelligence and the automation of all work to a recognition that LLMs have particular use-cases. Noted gen AI hater Ed Zitron lists the obvious ones in one of his articles on the AI bubble (archive).
If you look at what generative AI companies do (note that the following is not a quality barometer), it's probably doing one of the following things:
A chatbot, either one you ask questions or "talk to"
This includes customer service bots
Searching, summarizing or comparing documents, with increasing amounts of complexity of documents or quantity of documents to be compared
This includes being able to "ask questions" of documents
Web Search
"Deep Research" — meaning long-form web search that generates a document
Generating text, images, voice, or in some rare cases video
Using generative AI to to write, edit or "maintain" code
I predict that the eventual burst of the AI bubble bursting will look like people readjusting their expectations from "LLM technology is going to produce artificial workers for every job imaginable/create a machine god" to "LLM technology is useful for specific tasks, with a human somewhere in the loop." I think those tasks will be much greater in number than Ed's list, and new ones will be discovered reasonably often, but I am overall bearish on LLMs leading to AGI.
Overall that will mean some drops in company valuation and discontinuation of mass VC-runway-subsidised generations for the masses, but not the total disappearance of LLM-powered SaaS.
I don't think you have much perspective on local models. You can make literally anything that can be represented with pixels, either static or animated. If you can't do it, you can train a LoRA for it. There's even been a lot of encroachment on more powerful technology lately with things like Qwen. Local is barely half a step behind in every area (ahead, in some) except music.
Absolutely. I'm mostly into imagen stuff, and Qwen Image is a revelation. I was not expecting to get something so close to GPT4o imagen that can run on consumer hardware as soon as we have.
I was gonna drop this in the Furry Drama thread, but honestly, I think it's a better fit here because of how unbelievably stupid it is. Some furry commissioned a piece of artwork of their fursona. Then the guy decides to toss the finished piece into Grok AI just for fun, and it spits out a tiny animation of the character flexing. View attachment 8022570
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What is so absurd to me is that the art was already finished and paid for. Why are you refunding him now? You already did all the work, and the picture is finished. Even the other commenters are confused as to why the artist would do this. View attachment 8022582View attachment 8022575
This is still ongoing and a lot of autistic shitflinging in the comments of all these tweets, so I'm not going to bother to document the entire slapfight unless something really funny happens. All I really know is that everyone involved is a tremendous faggot, and the commissioner basically got a free commission thanks to AI.
"The pose was just very commonly used!" Except the AI art was purely prompted with text, it wasn't img2img. It was one of many such images in a big batch of random poses:
One of the tweeted images above, proving the AI art was created back in 2024:
The artist's speedpaint, from Tiktok, which is how no one draws art, showing very few construction lines and just kind of going top down, not even drawing a construction of the whole hand on the left because they already know it's going to be behind a wall:
The artist's feeble attempt at a defense, claiming they couldn't possibly have traced because the lines don't match up:
However, this is just because they intentionally sized it not to match up...a real comparison:
Remember: the pro-trans crowd enables actual trannies from exploiting children while the anti-'fascist' crowd keeps recycling the 'insurrection' lies.
They will do anything in trying to 'pwn' the pro-AI troll, even hypocrisy.
The artist's speedpaint, from Tiktok, which is how no one draws art, showing very few construction lines and just kind of going top down, not even drawing a construction of the whole hand on the left because they already know it's going to be behind a wall:
This is a different video from the speedpaint the artist posted in that Twitter thread, which does include construction lines and the hand on the left.
I think the timestamp for the Tiktok version you posted is 7-26, i.e. July 26 2025, so that was definitely the earlier one. But why are there two speedpaint videos of the same picture? I know AI can generate speedpaint videos these days. At least one of these is probably AI generated. Did the artist make this new speedpaint video after the fact, i.e. manually redraw the commission to own the chuds? Or was this one (also?) AI generated? This whole story just gets stranger and stranger.
This is a different video from the speedpaint the artist posted in that Twitter thread, which does include construction lines and the hand on the left. speedpaint.mp4
I think the timestamp for the Tiktok version you posted is 7-26, i.e. July 26 2025, so that was definitely the earlier one. But why are there two speedpaint videos of the same picture? I know AI can generate speedpaint videos these days. At least one of these is probably AI generated. Did the artist make this new speedpaint video after the fact, i.e. manually redraw the commission to own the chuds? Or was this one (also?) AI generated? This whole story just gets stranger and stranger.
There is absolutely no way that the artist pinned a few references to a canvas and went "la dee da, just drawing this guy freehand based on these pics, I'll change up the pose a bit," and then it ended up matching with the AI art exactly.
I think the most obvious conclusion is that the artist is panicking and edited his own speedpaint with new inserted lines and references just to absolve himself.
Why would you trace over someone elses AI? The whole point of AI is that you can make your own AI images in private and then trace over that with no trail. Bewildering. I know thats not the main takeaway to get from this drama but god damn thats another level of stupid.
Why would you trace over someone elses AI? The whole point of AI is that you can make your own AI images in private and then trace over that with no trail. Bewildering. I know thats not the main takeaway to get from this drama but god damn thats another level of stupid.
There's people who will pay others to generate basic AI art for them. Don't underestimate how lazy people can be. Even setting up an AI service, typing out a prompt, and picking out the best result is still too much effort for a lot of people who have never done it before.
Man fucking wack to see some retard you talked about and managed to forget about in literally two fucking days in the community featured thread.
Here's a static comparison with the ai overlaid at 50% and 85% opacity.
There's 'common pose' and all that shit which is believable but this is quite literally the exact same pose. This isn't accidentally recreating something because realistically this pose is hardly anything special. You do not get this level of identical without trying. Also why does the right hand have a finger with long claw nails but the left hand doesn't have that? Almost as if that's a common mistake ai makes all the time.
And let's humour them, ok, this is simply a popular pose. Why the fuck do the fucking clothing creases line up then? Why is the character's body type and build, the belt, the leg pocket, the arm pocket, the extra belt on the hip, the extra belt on the thighs and the fucking placement of the buckle on the belts, why are they all the exact same? Yes this is a common pose. Is having a leg pocket exactly 21.3cm below the belt line also a popular pose? You can see on the 85% version, the lines and creases in the clothing is not just similar but fucking blatantly traced. There is literally no world where you get this number of meaningless details replicated so perfectly unless you traced over them.
Why would you trace over someone elses AI? The whole point of AI is that you can make your own AI images in private and then trace over that with no trail. Bewildering. I know thats not the main takeaway to get from this drama but god damn thats another level of stupid.
Because contrary to what these retards screech all the time, making good ai art isn't just typing words. It would take actual skill and knowledge to create the image to trace over. In other terms, you know csgo cheaters, you know how the best ones have a better understanding of map layouts and all that shit than most real players because they need to know what they can shoot through and with what. The people who just download cheats but don't understand the basics of the game like not running while shooting and so they get absolutely steamrolled. That's like ai. If you don't know what the fuck you're doing then you'll produce visual static that looks like shit. You have to take the time and effort to learn and understand how it works before you can make something good, just like every other thing ever created.
I'd also throw in a bit of entitlement. Oh well that's ai no one likes ai so I can steal it and no one will care. I mean the guy has posted an ungodly amount, on civitai he has posted fucking 137000 images and on his website 'furry gay' alone has almost 10k images, 'furry males' which I assume this image belongs to has almost 79000. What are the chances that someone would not only remember each of those images but in such detail that they can recognise the exact pose from something that would be buried under literally thousands of images?
Also worth including here. The artist seems to have gotten in shit before. Because of course.
Apparently other people came forward and said similar.
These were from a reply to that post.
Now why would an artist have trouble providing a sketch or alterations? If it was completely freely drawn then those things should be incredibly easy and are absolutely standard. And why the fuck would you not offer refunds? You have failed to deliver something within five fucking months, I do not give a shit what your retarded tos says if I want a refund. You have not provided me a service and thus are not entitled to my money. I would love to see how that would hold up in court. I mean paypal would already give you a refund if you asked, let alone any court. This entire thing does not seem legal one bit. If someone tells you outright they want a refund you can't shit something out and then say nope look I did it so you can't get a refund. That is incredibly fucking dodgy and I hope the guy did file that paypal claim. Seems like yet again someone who hates something incredibly mundane and mild has skeletons in their closet much worse than the thing they are criticising. Again.
And because I can't even talk about these people having bigger skeletons in the closet and press send quickly enough fucking yet more have fallen out of there.
A better lineup from the comments.
This specific ych apparently earned her 1620usd according to the guy that posted this. I cannot verify but he seems autisticly detail focused that it's probably true.
There is another one with a lion and another ai image, however the images do not line up nearly as well and I don't think it's as damning. However for the sake of completion I'll include it.
50% opacity
The lighter cream mouth area does line up very close, so does the nose and chin. The jaw shape is slightly different and so is the nose. But once again this is really fucking close to the point where yea I can see why you'd call this traced.
20% and 80% opacity on the moth image.
We also have the world's smartest defender to come to the protection of some random furry scammer.
>this can't be ai because the image is older than ai
'no ai is older'
>so what that doesn't matter at all
Do these people not have any object permanence or something?
So, the entire GZdoom team just walked off because Graf woke up to add untested LLM generated code into the project after being absent from things for a long period of time.
In the end it turns out it's not just trannies that are ruining game communities, it's shitty project heads that want to learn the mystic eastern way of making a server farm vibecode for you too, because programming is too hard and what the fuck is a GPL anyway right?
Seriously, how do you stay away from something that big for over a year and then come back out of nowhere to add code a LLM wrote without testing and expect no one to notice. Good god I hope AI server farms are among the first targets in the next world war.
I predict that the eventual burst of the AI bubble bursting will look like people readjusting their expectations from "LLM technology is going to produce artificial workers for every job imaginable/create a machine god" to "LLM technology is useful for specific tasks, with a human somewhere in the loop."
I think a lot of the bubble bursting is going to be from messianic retards forcing it as a solution to everything, resulting in insanely retarded disasters as this results in things like some codebase "revision" for a universally used application, generated by AI, resulting in something like crashing the entire electric grid for major countries, or a bank collapse from AI basically fucking itself in the ass with autobuys and autosells.
I'm also thinking "AI derangement syndrome" not only includes the intense animosity towards it that retards who feel threatened by it feel, but almost as retarded people thinking it's some panacea that will result in universal whatever. Messianic retards are fucking annoying.
recycling the 'insurrection' lies.
