GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

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Fcret said:
The 'experts' expecting this state of affairs to last a decade are obvious AI bagholders looking to generate ancillary hype or they've been swindled by them. We're three years into the AI boom and none of the ventures have turned a profit or even consistent revenue.

RAM will be back to normal within a year or two.
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The Stock Market and its consequences have been a disaster to the human race.
 
Fcret said:
Not surprising - this is a temporary spike and boosting production to meet it is just going to burn them like it has all the times in the past when this happened.
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I also remember the price fixing class action lawsuits in the past. Maybe we can get another $5 rebate in a few years to mollify us. The only thing I've bought lately is used RAM so I don't think I'd qualify.

Speaking of memory, this is coming out of nowhere:

ADATA and MSI to launch the “World’s first 4-rank DDR5 CUDIMM memory”, 128GB per module on Z890 platform
The 4-rank structure places four independent groups of DRAM chips on a single module, doubling density compared with the common dual-rank layout. This design increases the electrical load on the memory channel, so ADATA uses its CUDIMM format with an onboard clock driver to maintain clean signaling. MSI’s Z890 platform passed full burn-in tests, and a two-slot configuration reaches 256 GB without changing to registered or buffered memory.
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We just saw the release of the first 64 GB UDIMMs earlier this year. Apparently, the added clock driver in CUDIMMs improves signal integrity enough to allow a quad-rank memory design to be feasible on consumer platforms, so double the number of memory chips can be attached.

Notably, they are only claiming support of 256 GB on 2-DIMM platforms. No 512 GB for you using these. But that's fine if you are into small form factor builds, and more people are avoiding 4-DIMM setups since they tend to degrade stable, achievable memory speeds.

This is on Intel Z890. What about AMD?

AMD says AM5 platforms can support CUDIMMs, but won't commit to a release date (archive)
For now, Ryzen 7000-series processors are completely incompatible with CUDIMM memory modules: if installed, the system will fail to boot. By contrast, Ryzen 8000 and 9000 series CPUs can technically work with CUDIMMs, but only in a limited fallback configuration known as 'bypass mode', which ignores the clock driver chip on the module and, therefore, offers no advantage. This means that the system will start in DDR5-3200 mode and will require manual adjustment of the memory transfer rate, and therefore, there will be no performance guarantees.
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It seems unlikely that these will work on current-gen Ryzen 9000, or if it can work, it will be at a laughably low speed to keep the electrical load in check, perhaps even lower than DDR5-3200.

Zen 6 and Zen 7 should both be on AM5 and using a new I/O die, either a plain jane one on TSMC N6, or a cool one on TSMC N4C. Either way, it should see improved memory support, and probably real CUDIMM support.
 
Fcret said:
The 'experts' expecting this state of affairs to last a decade are obvious AI bagholders looking to generate ancillary hype or they've been swindled by them. We're three years into the AI boom and none of the ventures have turned a profit or even consistent revenue.
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I can't wait to never again hear anyone say "99% of all electricity on Earth will be used for AI by 2035."
 
Many moons ago i bought a dual tower air cooler and put 3 high performance cougar vortex fans on it, it could handle my 300W skylake-x housefire just fine. I got an nh-d15 with that other computer and put it on this one and i'm honestly not very impressed by how loud it is, even adjusting the fan curves super low they're by far the loudest fans in my computer now. the cougar vortex fans just sound like loud wind but the noctua has this buzzing noise that's super apparent and really annoying. I thought these were supposed to be ultra-engineered to not do that

i thought noctua was a meme before but god damn i was right

e: apparently they make a droning noise if you have the fans pulling air through instead of pushing air through... so i guess i'm fucking with it again
 
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big pauper said:
i thought noctua was a meme before but god damn i was right
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My experience is pretty similar. The 2 NF-A15 HS-PWM fans that come with it are super annoying past like 900 RPM, the same with an ancient pair of NF-P14FLX fans I've got in the front of my server. I've yet to find a fan I like more than these Scythe S-Flex fans I bought 18 years ago.
 
Aborted Drink Combo said:
My experience is pretty similar. The 2 NF-A15 HS-PWM fans that come with it are super annoying past like 900 RPM, the same with an ancient pair of NF-P14FLX fans I've got in the front of my server. I've yet to find a fan I like more than these Scythe S-Flex fans I bought 18 years ago.
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I have a pair of aerocool dead silence ds-120 fans and these are legitimately the best fan that's ever been made. they aren't even pwm so at the 20% power it takes to get them to spin they're going 900 rpm and completely silent, they do not make noise at all. they do make an absolute fuckton of wind noise past 1500 rpm, and they also go up to 3000 at max power and buzz like a weed eater, so.... in terms of getting this shit to work on your motherboard i can see why these did not succeed in the market, but on their own merits they are awesome. The silicone noise dampeners? Golf ball patterning? Absolute madness.

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Even the humble cougar vortex may not be so humble under the realization that those fins are not just thrown on there for style reasons, they are actually doing something

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I look at what noctua does in comparison and think they might be huffing their own farts
 
Samsung’s Rumored Memory Price Hike Could Be a ‘Catastrophe’ for PC Gamers, Potentially Driving RAM Prices to Unimaginable Levels (archive)
Well, if you think RAM prices at their current stage are 'inflated', well, it appears that Samsung plans to take them even higher, as according to a report by Reuters, it is claimed that the Korean giant is rumored to increase memory prices by a whopping 60%, to keep up with the demand coming from the AI sector, and ensure a stable supply chain. It is disclosed that contract prices for 32 GB DDR5 modules have risen to $239, which marks a phenomenal MoM increase, almost a 50% increase, which is simply shocking. At this pace, consumer memory modules will only become increasingly expensive.

Apart from this, the prices of 16GB and 128GB DDR5 have also risen by 50%, indicating that the broader pricing trend for memory modules has been increasing for several weeks now.
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Manufacturers reportedly delaying launch of new memory modules due to massive price crunch — products slated for 4Q25 now expected to arrive in 2026
Writing for Hardwareluxx, Andreas Schilling has charted big price rises on popular RAM kits from vendors including Corsair and Teamgroup. In the context of the report, Schilling also noted, "We are aware of several memory kit manufacturers who have announced that they will not be introducing or launching the kits planned for the third and fourth quarters of this year," claiming instead these vendors are waiting and seeing how memory prices develop in 2026. Schilling did not specify which vendors this may refer to or give any details about specific products affected by the paused launches.
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ASRock B550M-ITX/ac Mini-ITX AMD AM4 Motherboard $85 + Free Shipping

AssRock though.
 
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Intel Core Ultra 290K, 270K and 250K Plus spec leak: “Arrow Lake Refresh” with higher clocks, more cores and faster memory support

Intel CoreCoarsMax P-core Clock
Ultra 9 290K Plus8P + 16E5.8 GHz (+100 MHz from 285K)
Ultra 9 285K8P + 16E5.7 GHz
Ultra 7 270K Plus8P + 16E (+4E from 265K)5.5 GHz
Ultra 7 265K8P + 12E5.5 GHz
Ultra 5 250K Plus6P + 12E (+4E from 245K)5.3 GHz (+100 MHz from 245K)
Ultra 5 245K6P + 8E5.2 GHz

Official memory support rises from 6400 MT/s to 7200 MT/s.

So the 290K Plus is the unnecessary "KS", 270K Plus is a budget 285K, and the 250K Plus gets a novel core configuration that should have been done from the start from a yield perspective (no need to disable two E-core clusters or lower the clocks that much).

A best-fit least squares solution finds that the 250K Plus should have 28 MiB of L3 cache. Or it could have 27 MiB, sitting exactly between 245K (24 MiB) and 265K (30 MiB). It's up to Intel how they want to enable cache slices.
 
I've been wondering, when the AI bubble pops and Nvidia/AMD go down in flames, what do you guys think will happen to the games industry?
 
GlupShitto said:
I've been wondering, when the AI bubble pops and Nvidia/AMD go down in flames, what do you guys think will happen to the games industry?
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I don't see Nvidia/AMD dying unless something goes terribly wrong with those OpenAI stake deals. AI mostly taken off the table means that a lot of wafer allocation would be freed up, and these companies would need to pivot back to gaming GPUs and other markets.

If it reverses price trends for things like RAM and storage, that will lower the cost for PC and console gaming alike. We're at a point where RAM prices have basically tripled/quadrupled in a month, and RTX 50 Super series may have been shitcanned/delayed by rising GDDR7 prices.

There have already been a lot of gaming layoffs in the past year or two, a correction from the pandemic. If more companies are gutted because of a bubble-triggered recession, I can't see that as a bad thing since the industry is garbage. Hard times could force talented people to set out on their own and innovate.

Over 50% of games industry layoffs have taken place in California (archive)
 
Aborted Drink Combo said:
Kek, we're off to a good start with this 7800 XT I just bought. The only thing I've adjusted was the fan curve, I actually made it more aggressive so it runs cooler. My drivers crashed just watching youtube and a bootleg UFC stream.
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Every RDNA3 owner I've met has run into the dreaded driver timeout problem anytime they run their card even slightly above stock clocks. Easily some of the most temperamental silicon I've encountered IRL.
 
Fcret said:
Every RDNA3 owner I've met has run into the dreaded driver timeout problem anytime they run their card even slightly above stock clocks. Easily some of the most temperamental silicon I've encountered IRL.
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It's strange, because I haven't touched anything but the fan curve, and disabled 0 RPM mode. I played some video games and it was boosting to over 2.7GHz, drawing 300w with no crashes.
 
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