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Should be a wild four years.

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that's not what i asked you. i asked you what they make that we can't. answer the question, burger babe.
Quite a few things, like coffee, ore of rare-earth elements, etc.. Blanket tariffs are retarded and if you actually left your house and went to the store you'd see how much prices have gone up. Oh, right, you now want us to own nothing and be happy like a good little MAGAloid.

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what the fuck are you talking about hulkster? the US is the third largest steel producer in the world.

the steel china produces is also fucking worthless.
https://gensteel.com/building-faqs/building-comparisons/chinese-steel-quality-vs-american-steel-quality/
what made you possibly say that this was how it worked?
I was using it just as a theoretical example, retard. I know you mentioned having autism so bad that it lets you live off of disability, but try to understand what a theoretical example is, son.

yes, because korea violated the temporary visa for those workers. they were breaking the law. that's what we do with people who break the law, hulkster. it doesn't take a permanent resident to teach american workers to do this, and then they never have to do it again because our workers can do it from now on. shit argument and you know it.
Uh huh. Korea is now pissed at us and won't even train employees anymore. All because of retards like you. Way to go, you stupid motherfucker.

you are that person. you do not understand any of this, and you are pretending you do. your aging brain is causing you to make a GRAVE error that you are COMMANDED not to do in the holy book of libs, Rules for Radicals.

you've broken rules two and three. NEVER go outside the experience of your people, and always try and go outside the experience of your opponent.
you've broken rule seven. this tactic is dragging and has gotten you owned twice in just this post.

i encourage you to read rules for radicals, hulkster. it'll make you a much better liberal weapon.
Lol what is this schizo babble? I am 100% right on blanket tariffs but you love blanket tariffs because the politician you've literally devoted your entire life to worshipping for the past 10 years told you TARIFFS GUD, all while that politician took money from you and gave it to billionaires like Zuck and Musk. Oh, right, you believe that money will now trickle down to you like a good little boomer
 
yes, because korea violated the temporary visa for those workers. they were breaking the law. that's what we do with people who break the law, hulkster. it doesn't take a permanent resident to teach american workers to do this, and then they never have to do it again because our workers can do it from now on. shit argument and you know it.
The battery plant is a pretty major thing for the US or at least was being treated as one.

Causing delays to the jobs coming in because a paperwork issue with the Koreans is odd and it created an international incident to be putting those people in chains. It would've been easy enough to tell them to fly home and wait for their paperwork to be sorted, but instead we had immigration people feeling like they should make a huge spectacle of it.

Trump even was forced to intervene to try offering them the option of staying, but all the Koreans chose to go after how they'd been treated.

It doesn't make a ton of sense to say some people over for business should be treated the same as you might some cartel members or random Mexican migrant workers even.

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This would mean basically bending the rules for people like those Koreans, but that's pretty routine since you don't want to take a shit on the US economy in the course of immigration enforcement. Even Trump was recognizing that as evidenced by his actions. The goofiness is that we have immigration officials now that aren't using common sense in their enforcement so high-tech people end up treated the same as some criminal that ICE picked up at a prison.
 
They make a lot of shit that we can't and won't, and then there's things you need to import to even manufacture (like ore for steel, etc). And then there's building the plants, training people (oh, right Korea tried training people in Atlanta and ICE arrested them), and things like that.

Those jobs aren't coming back. If anything, more plants have closed in the past year more than opened. Why? Because of the cost of importing stuff to manufacture stuff in the plants. Blanket tariffs are purely retarded and only someone who doesn't understand how the real world and supply chains think would think they're good, so congratulations. If he wants to protect US steel, for example, put tariffs on steel but not blanket tariffs
Understand that China is dumping in Europe right now due to desperation and lack of tariffs. Even Mexico is tariffing China currently.
 
RIght of the bat you're bullshitting, you guys said it's an illusion during biden's entire term. And now when it's actually not happening it's 'worst ever'.

Really fuck off with this shit, it's embarrassing and weak even as a troll.

Quite a few things, like coffee, ore of rare-earth elements, etc.. Blanket tariffs are retarded and if you actually left your house and went to the store you'd see how much prices have gone up. Oh, right, you now want us to own nothing and be happy like a good little MAGAloid.
Stop buying thequarterings coffee idiot.
 
I'd like to point out that slap fights like these prove that purple highlights are superior to blue highlights.

Edit- "Blue." I use Biden Blue dark template, Jack. Your default highlight color may vary.
 
Richard Baris was being such a smug cunt all morning. If he wasn't off the wagon before, he's got to be in the ditch by now.

He was so off the wagon this morning about his gay poll, and acted like ICE needs to remove their masks so people approve of deportations:

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Motherfucker pulls up a soldier in Iraq as why it doesn't matter if you're masked, dude has lost it.


Meanwhile, the community notes are being used by lolberts and libtards to convey opinions. Again.
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mandatory Faggy Massie shitting on:
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I feel that we're really missing a dedicated Tucker Carlson lolcow thread. Ever since Fox News kicked him out, his wackiness has gotten to be on par with his contemporaries like Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes, and Hasan Piker, and they all got threads of their own.
Be a slow moving thread but might be worth while. He does occasionally have some absurd shit come out like when he was claiming protesters busted down his front door without any evidence or saying he was attacked by demons while sleeping with his dogs.
 
Uh huh. Korea is now pissed at us and won't even train employees anymore. All because of retards like you. Way to go, you stupid motherfucker.
This is another weird take that I see a lot online. "Well if I was trying to prep for WW3 I wouldn't be pissing off our allies!", but we're the USA, it doesn't matter how much we piss off other countries, we won't be losing the next world war, and if countries don't want to align with us, then they'll either be on the losing side or they'll have to change their mind and come crawling back once they realize we aren't going to lose.

It doesn't matter if we "piss off other countries", even if WW3 isn't coming, we're the USA, we aren't swayed by the landscape, we ARE the landscape.

Lead, Follow, or get out of the way. That's the deal now. We could argue about weather that's moral, or ethical, or whatever, but those points don't matter, because me and you don't get to decide what happens at the top. It's their world and we live in it, whining about not liking the world we live in doesn't fucking get us anywhere.
 
He was so off the wagon this morning about his gay poll, and acted like ICE needs to remove their masks so people approve of deportations:

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Motherfucker pulls up a soldier in Iraq as why it doesn't matter if you're masked, dude has lost it.


Meanwhile, the community notes are being used by lolberts and libtards to convey opinions. Again.
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I do support getting rid of income tax. I'd be happy to pay more for goods if they would just eliminate all taxes aside from sales tax. Hell, up the sales tax super hard, see if I care. Just get rid of income and property tax and I'd be a happy camper.
 
I love lurking. I love laughing at stupid shit. What I don't laugh at are people way more verbally skilled then me lacking basic God damn pattern recognition.

I am not smart. I'm only in my 30's and I can almost instantly tell when someone doesn't have an honest way of discussion. You had that pedophile vizie Hitler last week or so back. You had folks taking fat packs seriously.

And it's repetitious to see people argue hogan. He will NEVER give you what you want. He's a narcissist. An honest person who isn't up their ass can see how they can have flaws.

Be nice to have people who I consider more grammatically intelligent actually showcase this intelligence by NOT FEEDING TROLLS.
 
I still haven’t heard a convincing argument as to why I, a US citizen, shouldn’t be allowed to own slaves.
Corporations import slaves, the government uses slave labor from the prison system, our elite overlords own child sex slaves, everyone has a slave except for me, the working man. Hell, the fucking jeets in our government still own slaves back home, where’s my fucking slave?! I assure you I would treat my slave better than Vivek treats his, mine would be allowed to use the front door.
Either everyone gets a slave or nobody gets a slave, that’s equality and I’m sorry that the libtards amongst you aren’t ready for that conversation.
We fought an entire war that was kinda/sorta over this. The 14th amendment isn’t getting repealed
 
Any gamers that care about Xbox still..

Guess this is new leader. Maybe Gates is using it as a troll lol.

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That pajeet ran Microsoft ok for awhile but as usually the complete collapse is incoming. Neal, you're next google/youtube.
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The most pajeet of all backgrounds possible

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Other countries don't do blanket tariffs and if they do, they're retarded for making their citizens pay more for shit, too.

Let me guess, you're one of those retards who thinks the other country pays the tariffs and the costs don't get passed to consumers and you actually believe prices are going down because the politician you worship told you so
They do, they just don't call them tariffs.
VAT applies to exports into the countries receiving the good and applies again on sale of the item.
Europe and even China utilise the same basic framework for VAT. America's lack of nationwide tax on sales and imports makes them the biggest and most desirable consumer market in the world but also remains(ed?) unique in that it pretty much extracts negligible amounts of wealth from foreigners whereas foreigners can extract a ton of wealth from Americans.

This creates a situation where American companies, by and large, see smaller market shares abroad compared to non-American companies, whilst non-American companies can have larger shares of the American market to no real benefit for Americans. The investments from prospering companies don't often see investment on American soil, or simply going into the buyback loop. And it's so much cheaper to manufacture in China and ship into the US that even American companies invest abroad rather than invest domestically.

Apple invested $275 Billion in China over the course of 5 years from 2016 to 2021, and are building a great deal of energy infrastructure on behalf of the Chinese as well. The latter is extra fucked because it means China, who also produces the batteries and panels that Apple are putting up for them, effectively get paid to have solar panels installed for free by an American company. Meanwhile they announced a $500 billion investment in the USA 1 month after the tariffs were enacted. Keep in mind, when Trump saved them tens of billion with his tax reliefs during his 1st term, they just sunk it into stock buybacks, so if you hate corporations taking the stick to them like this is just a net positive.

The stealth-tariffs are also why it's more common for American companies to partner or buy foreign companies outright rather than try to break into the market, because they're already positioned at a disadvantage as I spoke about here. The company has to be based domestically to avoid the double-charge that affects companies who try to remain bound in their home country but sell into a foreign one.

The closest America can benefit from the wellbeing of foreign companies is corporation tax, but companies can minimise the hit by atomising themselves into subsidies, which count as a separate taxable entity and/or can benefit from tax credits/reductions.

A (possible) explanation for why Trump went hard after China is due to China enacting a new VAT law in January 2025, setting a (relevant) percentage charge of 13% and bringing them closer to the European model of import/domestic taxation.
China's Value-Added Tax (VAT) Law was passed on 25 December 2024 and will take effect on 1 January 2026. The law maintains the current three-tier tax rate system (13%, 9%, and 6%) while introducing significant policy changes and improvements in international alignment.
This is on top of China's 25% corporation tax, and the aforementioned squeeze of foreign companies to invest heavily in domestic infrastructure projects.

A left-winger and a right-winger can "one struggle" over this because it has enabled the largest companies to benefit with negligible domestic gains and it allowed countries besides America to extract as much wealth from the US as humanly possible.
 
Dont worry, the US goverment will throw taxpayer money to keep indian conquered companies from dying out like they should.
I don't think they're gonna support MS lol. Google/Youtube maybe, but Microsft only cause they have so much infrastructure. But Xbox is done.
 
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