I am building a utopia, tell me I am retarded. - Off-grid, non-hippie, no alpacas will die.

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DefNotCat

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In a nutshell, I am buying an abandoned village in rural Spain or Portugal (North P, Galicia), in a mountainous area, around 5-10ha of hand (35-70 acres), with the intent to either build a completely off-grid'able community or selling out to airbnb (whatever comes first). Source of income, ideally if not airbnb, would be mining btc using solar+hydro+pumped storage hydropower -- hence the choice of terrain and area. Secondary would be energy arbitrage, but then need to connect to the grid. Fiber is a must and will be available.

I'm thinking spain or portugal because land is cheap, there are actual villages for sale that have structures worth restoring, there's a lot of surprisingly de-populated areas that are completely nigger-free, and thus its actually viable to be an "oasis" as long as whoever lives there can produce income independently (hence the btc mining).

Anyway, i have the whole project layed out, i have 1mil to throw at ill, i need somebody to tell me why is this retarded. And on the other hand, those that don't see it as retarded, would you live in a village like this? Why no or why yes?

Thank you for attention to this matter.
 
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>Crypto mining
>Want to live closer to nature
>Engage in an activity that directly contributes to its degradation
 
There are multiple places in France, Italy, Spain and Portugal where you can the village for close to nothing, as well as tax rebates.

There is a couple issues with your plan though.

  • 1 million is nice, but I don't think it rises to the level of how much you need to renovate a village. Let alone building infrastructure.
  • Attracting people to said village will be difficult. Attracting the right kind of people will be close to impossible.
  • Airbnb is overcrowded. You will need a strategical position, which probably will price you out of the most interesting places.
  • You say "produce income independently", but the whole thing relies on Bitcoin it seems. It looks very dependent to me. Laws are changing where you need to pay taxes on unrealized gains in crypto in the EU, good luck with that.
  • You're going to need a lot of skills.

I could be wrong, but the way you present it, it feels more like an idea that an actual plan.
 
DefNotCat said:
In a nutshell, I am buying an abandoned village in rural Spain or Portugal
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1. Why was the village abandoned in the first place?
2. What was it's previous name?
3. If the village does not have Fiber Optic equipment nearby, you do realize that a build out will cost you even more then your 1 mil?

I'm thinking spain or portugal because land is cheap, there are actual villages for sale that have structures worth restoring, there's a lot of surprisingly de-populated areas that are completely nigger-free, and thus its actually viable to be an "oasis" as long as whoever lives there can produce income independently (hence the btc mining).
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1. BT mining at this point requires energy and a large data center. Thats more then your costs. That is NOT off-grid.
2. You do realize that most of the people that you want to move in do not speak another language?


I'm not wasting anymore time on this. This is stupid.
 
DefNotCat said:
I'm thinking spain or portugal because land is cheap, there are actual villages for sale that have structures worth restoring, there's a lot of surprisingly de-populated areas that are completely nigger-free, and thus its actually viable to be an "oasis" as long as whoever lives there can produce income independently (hence the btc mining).
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The question is: will they stay that way if and when they become livable/profitable spots?
Don't listen to these negative Nancies. All you need is a nuclear powerplant and you are set to go.
 
IF there are no structural issues, 1 mil is enough to 'offgrid' ~10 homes if you don't need engineering/structural changes. That's assuming you are drilling a well, putting in a septic system, adding solar to each house, and nothing more. Internet, gas, and drainage will likely be a bit more.

Charitably assuming this isn't a creative writing exercise, who do you expect to come with you? Who will be paying to be at this village? Are you restoring the buildings, and if not, why?
 
Love the unanimously negative responses.

In no particular order, but i think it's addressing most of the "concerns":

1) I've actually explained how "btc mining" is completely off-grid, I plan to build a 1MW of either solar+storage or hydro only generation capacity on site.
2). Environmentally, for you ecofags, btc mining destroys nothing. Even in terms of societal effect, it's literally the only way to generate ANY profit form electricity in any form in Spain. Energy in Iberian peninsula is literally free or NEGATIVE during solar hours, by using it for anything productive I'm doing more good than supplying it into the grid.
3) Fiber is a must, I'm planning for it. Spain amazingly has shitton of darkfiber. Actually one of the angels was to build AI training DC (inference not feasible as it's latency dependent), but 1MW is not enough for that.
4) You dont need to pay taxes on unrealized crypto gains in EU. Netherlands and bunch of other retards != EU. In fact in Portugal for example you literally have ZERO capital gain tax on crypto if you hold it for 12+ months. Stable coins are classified as crypto (as they should be).
5) I literally considered a nuclear power plant. 1mil is not enough
6) The plot/village will have source of water, that's by design to satisfy the energy generation part. 1mil doesn't even go to renovation of the houses, it's waaaay cheaper. You don't need a well for each house, you can do it centrally, septic maybe, everything else is a product of free energy. Say you generate 1MW, 20 houses at 5kw sustained (which is completely unrealistic annualized), it's 10% of power output to sustain the whole community while 90% goes to mining btc.

Just to summarize, the whole point is to build AT LEAST 1MW of generating power, and ideally 10Mwh of storage on top of that, it's literally off-grid. I thought it was clear from my original post. I'd only require grid if I wanted to sell to it, but why would I. Airbnb is supplementary income to hedge btc revenue source.
 
The Mighty Banth said:
What's your underwater hamster habitation policy?
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Currently looking for an expert in the industry to be a consultant to the governing body, in regards to what an optimal path to large scale hamster habitation (underwater) would be.

Sperg_rancher said:
Charitably assuming this isn't a creative writing exercise, who do you expect to come with you? Who will be paying to be at this village? Are you restoring the buildings, and if not, why?
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No i actually do not expect anyone to come with me at all, hence the airbnb model for the house occupancy. I will be restoring the buildings, for airbnb at the minimum , but i'd rather sell them off in an unrestored/restored state to ppl of the same "ideology". I'm not gonna be relying on the airbnb income, it's kinda hassle tbh, but then i'd have 20 houses i can either do nothing with or restore and rent out to tourists or sell/lease.
 
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