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MeltyTW said:
i like the idea that theyre going to try and raise beef in argentina or toil as dal*ts in india harvesting cowshit. people think im joking but i really do think that while the jews believe they can just fall back on their labor they will collapse without a host. beyond that theyre driving argentina in the ground and theyre getting more and more pissed at the jews too, same in ukraine same in russia same everywhere. hell probably india too when famine hits because of this war.

im amazed that their planning amounted to "dont worry if it goes sidewise we can all just move to argentina and raise hamburgers" fucking idiots. niggers would have done better if they had a cult calling them god's chosen and gave them all the tax breaks and exemptions and reparations and control they could dream of.
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Their biggest issue is their inability to not fuck with the culture/politics of their host nation.
 
bread n circuses said:
Give poor CTR a break, he's been sweeping in the Jesus statue thread all day and he's clearly feeling a bit worn out rn.
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>iran has their ship intercepted
>their C+C is so disintegrated that they can't decide if they will attend peace talks or if the strait is open
>can't even stay organized enough to not shoot at a jeet that they told he could pass

man one of us needs a break here and it isnt me
 
Catch The Rainbow said:
>iran has their ship intercepted
>their C+C is so disintegrated that they can't decide if they will attend peace talks or if the strait is open
>can't even stay organized enough to not shoot at a jeet that they told he could pass

man one of us needs a break here and it isnt me
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You do realize that this is a fault or the judeo-christian assault on Iran?

Something, something... Medusa... Something, something

Maybe like previous middle east soirees we'll get a new and exciting and surprising enemy type like ISIS! Looks like we'll instead get 12 of them because Iran is now fractured!

Good going Israel!
 
Catch The Rainbow said:
>iran has their ship intercepted
>their C+C is so disintegrated that they can't decide if they will attend peace talks or if the strait is open
>can't even stay organized enough to not shoot at a jeet that they told he could pass

man one of us needs a break here and it isnt me
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Are you stupid? I have made 0 posts about anything you listed, you made so many about the Jesus statue that you got called out in the thread for it.

I'm well aware that Israel intentionally killed the leaders Trump was planning to negotiate with, he said so himself. I don't know why you think that paints your side in a positive light.
 
Republicans are resonating with old jewish shady lawyers with their midterm messaging.

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MrJokerRager said:
Republicans are resonating with old jewish shady lawyers with their midterm messaging.

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Most people are completely in the dark about Dershowitz, but the guy has been infamous for way longer than he was associated with Epstein. This guy is one of the most rabid zionist jews out there and he wrote multiple books defending Israel, one literally named "Chutzpach".

Norman Finkelstein, a self-hating jew whose parents were both concentration camp survivors wrote a very good book about the subject "Beyond Chutzpach". Dershowitz tried to stop this book from getting published and even threatened to sue Finkelstein for libel which he eventually did not do, however he did manage to lobby rejection of his tenure at the university Finkelstein worked.
 
Catch The Rainbow said:
>iran has their ship intercepted
>their C+C is so disintegrated that they can't decide if they will attend peace talks or if the strait is open
>can't even stay organized enough to not shoot at a jeet that they told he could pass

man one of us needs a break here and it isnt me
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Iran is still winning the war, all the IRGC needs to do is survive and it wins.

There will be no regime change until boots on the ground and even then I doubt the average Iranian would allow it to be American boots… however it would stand more chance of public support if it were an Arab coalition then it could stand a chance.

Don’t forget the IRGC killed more civilians during the January uprising/protests than Daddy or the Jews have killed. There’s a reason why the Persian empire/Iran exists to this day because it is impossible to invade with boots on ground.

Finally there will be no peace in the Middle East while ever Israel exists. If only somebody could come up with a final solution for those pesky Jews!
 
Catch The Rainbow said:
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Yeah I don't believe a single thing from this zionist lobby masquerading as a "charity" and "media watchdog" hasbara site.
They post shit like this:
https://honestreporting.com/antizionism-as-representation-how-the-bbc-gets-british-jews-wrong/
A quick scan of Hyman’s social media makes it very clear where she is coming from, including retweeting Jeremy Corbyn (whose enabling of antisemitism in the UK Labour Party during his leadership ended with his expulsion from the party) and rejecting the internationally endorsed IHRA definition of antisemitism.
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How HonestReporting Canada wages a silent war on Canadian newsrooms: https://mondoweiss.net/2025/08/how-honestreporting-canada-wages-a-silent-war-on-canadian-newsrooms/
RSF doesn't like them either: https://rsf.org/en/protagonist-social-they-smear-media-and-promote-mistrust-journalists-3
All their astroturfing is solely funded by donations? I don't believe them.

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https://honestreporting.com/freeze-...as-used-to-define-a-story-before-it-was-seen/
"Provoking"?

The simple fact of the matter is without independent investigation and all the unrest going on in Gaza, it is impossible to hammer down military versus civilian casualties since the war.

You can spot the hasbara from a mile away, with garbage irrelevant non-sequiturs like this, designed to poison the well and sow mistrust in sources because some of them lack due diligence. Additionally, anyone is one search away from learning that the numbers comes from Hamas-run Ministry of Health. And just because it's ran by Hamas doesn't mean it's wrong. This site is ran by zionists. The irony.
The media has continued on this pattern since. Any death toll that the Hamas-run Ministry of Health (MoH) publishes is immediately reported on by Western media, oftentimes without any attribution to Hamas.
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Although it is difficult to determine the exact number of terrorists killed by the IDF since the beginning of the war, estimates suggest the number to be more than 22,000 as of October 2025, not including those who were killed during the terrorist attacks on October 7. President Donald Trump has confirmed the number to be greater than 25,000, the number used in Aizenberg’s analysis.
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Basically, "we call ourselves honestreporting and we are going to use the biggest number we can find", the number just happens to be from a fat child rapist who lies as often as he opens his mouth.
Beyond combatants, throughout the war, there were likely to be around 11,000 natural deaths, based on pre-war patterns. Another 4,000 deaths were caused by internal fighting within Gaza from different factions, including firing on civilians at aid sites or executions of individuals Hamas terrorists deemed to be collaborating with Israel. An additional 1,000 deaths can be attributed to errors in reporting.
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Where did 4000 come from? Rival factions to Hamas includes Salafi Jihadists and other global caliphate types (ISIS), or just ex-Hamas members who don't just want to stop at killing innocent Jews and Palestinians.
The Salafi-jihadi network in Gaza is predominantly composed of self-radicalized Palestinians as well as disenchanted Fatah and Hamas militants.<a href="https://ctc.westpoint.edu/salafi-jihadi-activism-in-gaza-mapping-the-threat/#reference6">6</a> The network consists of approximately 4,000-5,000 members,<a href="https://ctc.westpoint.edu/salafi-jihadi-activism-in-gaza-mapping-the-threat/#reference7">7</a> although its alleged followers could be as many as 50,000 people.<a href="https://ctc.westpoint.edu/salafi-jihadi-activism-in-gaza-mapping-the-threat/#reference8">8</a> Despite reports from the Palestinian Authority claiming the contrary, the movement appears to be overwhelmingly Palestinian. Nevertheless, in the past couple of years a few dozen foreign militants, some of them returnees from Iraq, are believed to have entered the Gaza Strip through Egypt to join the local jihadist movement.<a href="https://ctc.westpoint.edu/salafi-jihadi-activism-in-gaza-mapping-the-threat/#reference9">9</a>
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This was from 2010 giving an estimate of 4000-5000, or up to 50,000. Hamas has been stomping out Salafi-jihadi cells ever since they got together. Apparently they have time to fight two wars and claim 4000 worse militants. Holy shit.
The author provides zero substantiation to this 4000 figure. I'll explain the likely reason later.
Beyond combatants, throughout the war, there were likely to be around 11,000 natural deaths, based on pre-war patterns.
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Said who? Where's your source Aizenberg? According to, let's see, an "investment advisor"?
I would never claim to be confident in predicting the number of natural deaths in a given area during war and I hold a degree in this. Apparently I should have obtained a degree in managing a business instead.
Ridiculous, no credentials hasbara liar.

2.99 per 1000, let's assume it's all natural deaths.
Using some loose data I can find, I arrive at 10-12k.
Note: it's on a downward trend and when hospitals and other healthcare facilities are bombed, natural deaths increase drastically.
When people are crowded together or under constant stress, they die. When air pollution is rampant, they die.
When buildings are bombed and civilians are under rubble, the statistic doesn't even register.
Using it in such a capacity is disingenuous at best. It's nothing but propaganda.
At least when Hamas' controlled health ministry publish figures, they include how the data was gathered and even issued adjustments to remove natural deaths. This garbage hasbara piece features an investment manager zionist and citation of works is "trustmebro".

I can get behind the IDF's 20k-23k claim. This gives a militant to civilian ratio of 67.9%-72.1%
Now a senior military source has indicated to Israeli journalists, including those from Haaretz and the Times of Israel, that the total number given by the Hamas health ministry is largely accurate, even though they have not been able to break down how many were combatants and how many died as a direct result of the fighting.
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Nobody sees this and think it's honest reporting.
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Really nigga, giving "other" a distinct category that's the 3 mashed together because, reasons?
I bet this investment advisor started at a desired 1:1.5 militant to civilian ratio and simply worked his way up. He's like that kid who got results that weren't "right", so numbers get fudged to look better on paper. It's something an investment advisor like him should be pretty fluent in, lying his face off with funky powerpoint presentations and Excel diagrams.
Nobody accepts this number. Do better.

My response (to this article): Stay in your lane.
 
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AltisticRight said:
Basically, "we call ourselves honestreporting and we are going to use the biggest number we can find", the number just happens to be from a fat child rapist who lies as often as he opens his mouth.
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AltisticRight said:
I can get behind the IDF's 20k-23k claim. This gives a militant to civilian ratio of 67.9%-72.1%
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2k difference
AltisticRight said:
Where did 4000 come from? Rival factions to Hamas includes Salafi Jihadists and other global caliphate types (ISIS), or just ex-Hamas members who don't just want to stop at killing innocent Jews and Palestinians.
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Using data from 2010 to describe 2023-26 when the entire society is different is flawed, especially since the Popular forces and other groups have more power

AltisticRight said:
2.99 per 1000, let's assume it's all natural deaths.
Using some loose data I can find, I arrive at 10-12k.
Note: it's on a downward trend and when hospitals and other healthcare facilities are bombed, natural deaths increase drastically.
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Ignoring that natural births per thousand outweigh the natural deaths heavily.

27.06 births for every 7 deaths is a net positive

 
Bioniclelover said:
Norman Finkelstein, a self-hating jew
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He's not self hating, don't do him such a disservice. He is simply a rare example of a jew with integrity and humanity.

He makes the rest of them look that much worse, because he proves that jews are not fundamentally irredeemable evil monsters, just most of the ones alive today happen to be.
 
Catch The Rainbow said:
Using data from 2010 to describe 2023-26 when the entire society is different is flawed, especially since the Popular forces and other groups have more power
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Yeah, that's about the best data I can find. Nobody's buying that Hamas killed 4000-5000 other militants during these two years. It was added in deliberately to create the ratio the "investment advisor" (the powerpoint presentation guy) wants.
Allegedly.
2k or whatever difference matters a lot when zionists yap about 1-2k natural deaths being reported as casualties, which Hamas' health ministry later corrected.
You can nitpick minor points all you like, that article is hasbara bullshit. No reputable outlet uses it.
 
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