Stop Killing Games (EU edition) - Moldman vs. Publishers

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The point of this whole exercise was well-taken. And dumb people damaged their careers, also good.

But if anyone expected the European Commission to do literally anything other than suck up more money from member states and engage in psychological terror against their own populations, I've got Chrono Break complete and playable behind door number one just waiting for you.

Just need 50 bucks and you can see it.
 
JustKiwiPosting said:
I don't know if boycotts really work because it doesn't seem like any of the recent disasters in AAA have made an impact beyond Ubisoft. I also have to push back on it not being political, or I'm not understanding what you mean by not political. This was literally a petition forwarded to the EU parliament. If that doesn't show a level of political power by the industry, I don't know what does.
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ah sorry, i basically meant it as short hand for asking companies to have a plan for their service ending isnt in any of the same categories as being anti woke or racist or whatever so theres no real ideological reason either internally or externally from institutions for a company to be against it on that angle. but also no iirc companies are struggling basically across the board even microsoft and sony having to discuss matters with their studios which are on the threat of closure, sony's concord did major damage and iirc closed more than one studio, theres been massive layoffs at several companies, it seems like if there is a time a modest or small boycott could force some change its during this time.
MAAAD said:
First time I'm hearing about this.
So the EUcucks managed to get a million-signature citizen initiative about videogames going, but never bothered to organise for something actually meaningful like, I don't know, migration or economy policies? lol.
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theres certain things western governments will just ignore, israel migration etc are some of those, those arent ending until the leaders are hanged because they hate us and want us dead above all else.
 
First, it will initiate an exchange with the video game industry and consumer representatives with the aim to draw up an industry code of conduct
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This is the most EU response ever. We're not going to actually do anything but we will get HR involved.
JustKiwiPosting said:
I don't know if boycotts really work
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It's not really a boycott if you just stop buying AAA games because they're all shit (even the non-live service ones).
JustKiwiPosting said:
it doesn't seem like any of the recent disasters in AAA have made an impact beyond Ubisoft.
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For most of the big companies gaming is just a small part of their wider business portfolio. I think even at its peak Xbox only accounted for 3-5% of Microsoft's annual revenue, that's why they gave Phil Spencer so much slack to do whatever he wanted.

That shouldn't discourage you from making whatever small impact you can, though. Imagine Sisyphus happy etc...
Gobermental Supervisor said:
It literally says customers may be entitled to refunds if a service is terminated.
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I wish I could give you more than rainbows because you are beyond optimistic if you think that would amount to anything other than a handful of Sony/Microsoft fun bux unless another Concord happens.

Live service games have always carried warnings saying they only need to give you 30 days notice before pulling the plug to fulfil their legal obligations.
 
On one hand, this sucks and it would've been great if things passed.

On the other, Ross himself stated in his last video that this sounded possible [what with them being asked repeated questions of the 'so do you guys WANT the companies to keep supporting games forever?' kind], so I'm not surprised either. Still, as he points out, things are different now than they were when he started this campaign and it looks like California might get a bill that actually works, and if it does, that can have a domino effect. Plus France, Germany, and Australia are still doing their own internal investigations on The Crew that don't have to do with what just happened, and the EU Commission failing us doesn't stop political approaches.

So yeah, this sucks, but still, you guys are dooming too hard right now. Did none of you watch this?

Just saying, I'm not giving up until Ross does.
 

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Oliver Onions said:
I wish I could give you more than rainbows because you are beyond optimistic if you think that would amount to anything other than a handful of Sony/Microsoft fun bux unless another Concord happens.
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I do not know what people were expecting from this process. It brought the topic into a public space, they discussed it, heard opinions, and now it will continue to exist and people will be able to voice their opinions on it. This isn't a negative. The way this is being represented right now by people who have zero understanding of how the EU works is kinda moronic.

Getting the EU commission to pick up the topic for us and keep it alive is actually a win.
It does not do anything for me RIGHT NOW, but the process does not work like that unless you can identify a legal basis for immediate action, which does not exist on a broader basis, but MIGHT exist on a "by game" basis.

As I said before, the EU commission does not offer injunctive relief. If that was what people want then they need to file a lawsuit based on EU consumer rights.
(If you own "The Crew" you might even be able to get a refund through the EU arbitration process for breach of contract.)
 
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Every fucking time.
 
FallingUpwards said:
I am scared for that freak ferret fucker software (pirate software) to come back and say haha I was right even though he was completely wrong about the entire thing
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Look on the bright side, if Maldavious comes back and acts like a smug asshole we can all go kick his shit in again. I'll be a nice consolation prize.
 
I do feel like people aren't bothering to read the whole thing, though.

However, to address players' concerns, the Commission has committed to taking several steps.
First, it will initiate an exchange with the video game industry and consumer representatives with the aim to draw up an industry code of conduct on managing video games' ‘end of life'.
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I mean, yes, this is not nearly enough to get the solution we wanted, which is "tell the industry that they're criminals and to pay up for all the games taken to behind the shed", but unless the 'consumer representatives' do not include Stop Killing Games and co. and unless said representatives simply do not work together and the industry bribes the other ones into obedience, this is basically going to be both sides saying what they want and having to come to an agreement, which means the industry has to give up something, even if it isn't enough to start from.
 
Hooked on phobics said:
When is v ever usable??? Half the threads are gatcha gooner threads anyway.
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Every time something about SKG comes out tons of brown skinned trolls somehow make /v/ worse by "ironically" defending the corporate under the guise of stereotypical freedom land patriotism and anti-comunist action in other words "yore a commie if you like SKG or something"
 
I'll stop giving a single dime to game companies and I'll exclusively vote anti-EU parties in the future, no pirate nonsense next time. This shit has got me pissed the fuck off.
 
Another Random said:
I do feel like people aren't bothering to read the whole thing, though.
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However, to address players' concerns, the Commission has committed to taking several steps.
First, it will initiate an exchange with the video game industry and consumer representatives with the aim to draw up an industry code of conduct on managing video games' ‘end of life'.
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What does that even mean? "Code of conduct" sounds like something that can be ignored at a whim with zero consequences. Is there an actual example of an industry in an EU that abides by some magical "code of conduct" that isn't a new law?
 
Another Random said:
I do feel like people aren't bothering to read the whole thing, though.


I mean, yes, this is not nearly enough to get the solution we wanted, which is "tell the industry that they're criminals and to pay up for all the games taken to behind the shed", but unless the 'consumer representatives' do not include Stop Killing Games and co. and unless said representatives simply do not work together and the industry bribes the other ones into obedience, this is basically going to be both sides saying what they want and having to come to an agreement, which means the industry has to give up something, even if it isn't enough to start from.
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"consumer representatives" means just new NGOs (formed by friends and family of the oligarchs in charge) that will wine and dine for taxpayer money while doing shit-all.
The EU is not your friend, and if it says it will do something you can be 100% sure it will be to your detriment.
 
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