3D Printer Hardware

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Megaton Punch

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Every 3D printer I've ever had has been a constant struggle with bed adhesion, drift, temperatures being slightly off, and a thousand other problems that make them not even close to worth the effort. Still, they're theoretically a great tool for Self-sufficiency™️ and as such my mind keeps drifting back to them, just as my layers keep drifting until my print becomes a useless pile of plastic garbage.

Does anyone here have a printer they recommend that doesn't require 5 hours of troubleshooting per print? Or is this a meme technology that isn't actually viable for the consumer?
 
I've had exclusively Chinese printers and had minimal issues. Sure I do some meme upgrades like a glass bed, direct drive extruder and AC powered bed heater(I mean, really, a 1000W bed heats up pretty quick.) Also, I got one of those heated filament boxes for each printer and try and remember to turn it on a couple hours before I print. Saying I live in a place with high humidity would be an understatement.

The biggest help for me was to move them from the garage to my office so when they start fucking up I can notice and fix it quickly. Really helped my cycle time to get them dialed in.
 
I'm wondering the same about laser engravers. I cant trust electronics after all the fuckery Ive had with chinese circuit boards..my new lathe, my new fucking garage door opener. They'll send YOU the parts to fix it as YOU become their warranty dept. They'll give some nominal credit. Items bought on Amazon have a different warranty channel than getting it off ebay or horrible fright and you get treated better, which aint much. You must remember the commies aim to sap & impurify your shit.
 
I have a couple of Ender 3's that work great. Installed auto bed leveling kits and I haven't had to adjust the bed since.
I've done days straight of printing without any adjustments to my setup.

I highly recommend a glass bed if you have cohesion problems. I spray mine with some hair spray and all my prints stick perfectly until the print is finished.
 
Bambu Labs printers are expensive but very nice.
 
Creality K1 is probably the bare minimum I'd recommend, and only then because they sell them for $400 at micro center instead of the $600 msrp when I got my half baked launch unit. That'd give you bed mesh calibration automatically before every print so you dont have to constantly do bed leveling.
 
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I really don’t recommend the ender 3 anymore. Sure you can get them for real cheap and chuck a bunch of upgrades in it but it’s kind of a pain in the ass. I got a anycubic kobra max ver 1 for my big prints but it’s slow as fuck. Just got a K1C and that thing has not disappointed so far. Super fast. Auto leveling and calibration before every print. Made a DD17 frame in 3 hours also got it for 450$ plus tax.
 
My Ender 3 V2 has shat the bed so many times that it became more of a project than actually printing anything. I've been eyeing up the Elegoo Neptune 4 Pro, if anyone has any experience with that machine, please let a nigga know.

And to second everyone else, Bambu make very nice machines if you are willing and able to spend the money. A few irl friends (yeah right) have them and they are pretty wild to watch. I'm just a hobbyist though and don't really plan to start a business with mine like they did.
 
I have an inexpensive Ender 3 v2 and when properly tuned and right parts replaced it can make high quality frames and receivers. I’ve made several Glocks, a Beretta tomcat, a 3dp90 and a NylAUG among others. It’s a very fun hobby once you get things down. For ARs I just use my 5D Tactical universal jig and a router with an end mill for AR-15s, AR9s/40s/45s, and LR-308s. (DPMS pattern “AR-10s”). I’ve always printed my lowers meant for dedicated .22lrs.
 
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Okay so 3D printers can have issues for all kinds of reasons. Lots of people here are using the deprecated Ender 3, which can run slow but is a real workhorse and affordable as shit (the Chinese knockoffs of it go for as little as $200 on Amazon, you will have to do some tinkering but it's part of the process.)

First thing I'm going to recommend is getting a fireproof enclosure for three reasons:

  1. It's going to keep the temperature steady, leading to better prints, and saving on electricity
  2. It'll stop wind, preventing shifting
  3. It will contain a fire in case one happens overnight. They do catch fire, sometimes.

The second thing I recommend is learning one material that works well on your machine, fine-tuning your settings in your slicer, and sticking with it. A lot of people get stupid and have 20 different spools of various materials, constantly swapping out materials but never doing any fine-tuning and learning how to work with what they have. If you have an Ender 3 type, PLA will work great on that. If you have a hardened nozzle, you can upgrade to iron or aluminum-infused PLA and print metal, wood, all kinds of stuff! Once you have those settings locked in you can move on and experiment with a different material.

The third thing I recommend is getting a swappable surface and learning how to clean it. It could be a magnetic removable (those flexible plates, you can use non-acetone nail polish remover, you can use 90% isopropyl alcohol, it will break down the crap left behind, it's great.) Some people will prefer to use a glass surface, it's really a matter of taste. Also research different bed adhesion methods; I've found that if the bed is properly heated for YOUR SPECIFIC MATERIAL (this is why learning the material is so important!) and it's clean you will not need to go with get crazy with glue sticks or painters tape.

Fourth thing I recommend is looking around on different forums for optimized profiles for your specific printer. I use PrusaSlicer and various Chinese printers. Some mad Polish guy made this amazing profile for my first one and I was able to fine-tune it to print like a beast, it's great. Once you learn how to get your base laid down (don't be afraid to use brims, you can always break/file that shit off if you have to), you can use an array of infill layers to cut time. Also, look into having thicker bases and thicker walls to reduce slippage if it's not a load-bearing part; there are so many ways to speed up the process with these things while preventing print drift.

Fifth thing I recommend is getting one of those dehydrators for your spools, they may be wet/holding too much moisture and fucking up your print. I thought one of my printers was garbage, but it ended up just having a wet spool. It happens sometimes. If you can't afford a dehydrator/baker, look up directions on how to bake or dehydrate them for cheap. If your spool has been open for a while and just sitting out it will get juicy, even if it feels dry to you, and it'll show in the print.

If you can afford something better than the Ender 3 range, like a Prusa Mk4, I would say go for it. They are nice machines and I've tinkered with them some. I don't like how bullshit the new nozzles are (replacement is difficult and can result in breaking the block), but I think that we'll have aftermarket solutions in time with those machines, just as we did with the Mk3s. The Mk4s do not require nearly as much post-processing or babying print-wise, making them a big step up for FDM. I do not recommend Bambu Lab; they are beautiful, but if something is broken on them, they are proprietary and have to be returned to the manufacturer for servicing. There are many points of failure in those machines, while Mk4s can be serviced by anyone as long as you have access to repair videos and the necessary parts.
 
Agreeing on the Ender 3 or its big brother the Creality C10S, but be aware you're probably going to wind up turning the thing into a ship of theseus eventually. If you go this route make sure you've got a bundle of thermistors onhand, some very basic soldering skills and at least one replacement hotend/fan assembly as well as a bunch of replacement hotend tips (and the tools you need to actually swap all of that out).

The positives to this is if you have very, very basic electrical skills I guarantee you can learn to do all of those replacements in about two hours total (actually doing any of those save for the hotend replacement is generally a 10 minute task or less) and all of those parts I listed can be had for a total of about $40 off aliexpress. My one recommendation to stay out of trouble is avoid hotend upgrades (swapping 1:1 for the basic bitch replacement hotend is fine) unless you're willing to take a lot of time reconfiguring and flashing firmware, which can be an absolute nightmare and easily eat a week of downtime.

Other than the Ender If you want the zero-customization option that just works and and have a windows machine, look into used older Flashforge printers, specifically the original Dreamer. They're kind of a black sheep in the printing world because they've got an odd build platform shape, run their own firmware and use a bespoke windows slicer, but they're very reliable in my experience and tend to go for ~70$ used.

Also of note: DO NOT bother with SLA printers. Don't be fooled by the lower-end ones going for <100 and coming with resin, SLA is a fucking nightmare to deal with and is only worth it if you're trying to do tiny extremely detailed artistic stuff.
 
Have a couple of Ender V2's and they have been pretty reliable over the years and taught me lot about 3d printing. But with all the upgrades over the years they really aren't Ender 3 v2's any more..Lately I picked up a K1 Max on sale the other month as i need the larger bed and been quietly impressed..its a huge step up.

So far i have used to for PLA, ABS and PLA-CF..all of which have printed fne with really no real effort on my part

With all the bells and whistles it makes life easier and I am genuinely surprised how far home grade 3d printers have come over the last year or so.
 
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Just got a K1C and that thing has not disappointed so far. Super fast. Auto leveling and calibration before every print. Made a DD17 frame in 3 hours also got it for 450$ plus tax.
That K1C looks nice. I like enclosed printers because they eliminate tons of unknown variables. Plus I don't really have time to tinker with a barebones machine these days so something that Just Works out of the box would be fantastic.

I use PrusaSlicer
How important is the slicer itself? I was using Simplify3D. As far as I know that's supposed to be a good one.

I am genuinely surprised how far home grade 3d printers have come over the last year or so.
Well the last time I bought a printer was nearly ten years ago so I'm hoping that there's been significant improvement in that time.
 
How important is the slicer itself? I was using Simplify3D. As far as I know that's supposed to be a good one.
Slicers are pretty important, but if whatever slicer you're using is something you know, something that helps you prepare your file and gets you a good print, that's okay too! I started with something else. Can't remember the name, but switched to Prusa later because it had a ton of options and got me better prints. It doesn't cost anything, though you will probably learn how to use it from some kid on youtube printing those chromatic dragon lizards, haha.

I hope you're able to overcome your bed adhesion issues, I remember going through that, it does make enjoying the printer pretty soul destroying.
 
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Fifth thing I recommend is getting one of those dehydrators for your spools, they may be wet/holding too much moisture and fucking up your print
fr this was the biggest thing fucking me up so much when I was first starting out. I'd get something dialed in on my printer, leave a few days and come back and shit just would not print right no matter what I did. Threw away several rolls before I found out that it was moisture buildup.

Also as for bed adhesion, it gets so much shit, but just use a glue-stick on your bed. It might be sitcky on one side, but it's a workable result. If you get the water washable kind you can just wash the glue off in the sink when you're done.
 
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They're pretty expensive, but I like keeping my in-use rolls in one of the filament warmer boxes. Turn it on before use to make sure it's dry.

On the cheap side, put the spool on your heated bed, put a box over the spool, set the bed to the appropriate temp for while.
 
I realize this is probably a dead thread however if anyone in interested I recommend the bamboo labs a1 without the color switcher as an amazing budget jumping in point. I recommend spending the extra 8 bucks for an additional hardened 0.6mm nozzle if you plan on printing filaments with abrasive additives like my personal favorite Polymaker Fiberon™ PA6-GF25
90 bucks on filament? I've bought printers cheaper
 
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