🦊 Furry Furry Convention Drama - Because you can't have a couple thousand dog fucking enthusiasts under the same roof without shit hitting the fan

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Greywolf said:
That hotel's the largest UK conference centre hotel outside of London. You're right about there being more to do in London and it'd be a better experience for attendees in nearly every way except price.

Confuzzled's staff have a pathological hatred of the idea of moving the con anywhere near London though. The staff and directors are convinced (and have been for years) that moving to London would kill the con. People wouldn't pay for it etc (hell, I'd buy a day ticket for shits and giggles).
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It's such a dumb hang-up. If someone is so financially fucked they can't afford paying a little more to go to a convention that takes place once a year, they can't afford to go to conventions in the first place. The suiters obviously have money so they'll be fine, and the dealer den guys are happy because they get wealthier clientèle. The losses are NEETs who produce nothing at all. You don't want these people at your con. They bring nothing of value, financially or technically.

Since the NEC je.ws everyone who goes near it anyway, I can't think of what would even be that much more pricey. The only thing I can think of is hotel rates, but London is better off because of the sheer volume of cheap airbnb rentals.

Foreign visitors also exist, and being somewhere near Heathrow would be far better for logistics than an airport that only does Daily Mail reader holiday destinations, but that's just my POV.
 
OccamsShaveClub said:
Having been acquainted with Nitro for a mercifully short amount of time
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I know Nitro too.

I would drop his Dox but he did that himself:

https://twitter.com/CapitalFur/status/1185738734257528834 and http://archive.is/Po9Bo

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Before I continue, I want to drop details about Saphy. He is an equally shitty person and a Director of Furlandia and RAIN. His fetish is to join furry Telegram groups for states he does not live in under the guise of “I travel a lot”. Then start drama. Here are his dox:

Real Name: Richard Thomas
Location: Portland, Oregon

Aliases: Saphy, Saph, Saphykitten, Saphron, and Bappypaws

Wikifur: https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Saph and http://archive.is/lURqm

Socials:
https://twitter.com/bigolbappypaws and http://archive.is/wip/CiIw6
https://www.facebook.com/saphykitten and https://archive.vn/Iy1qh
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/saphykitten/
https://saphykitten.livejournal.com/profile
https://www.youtube.com/user/Saphykitten

We can talk more about him later.

Back to Nitro (Matthew Soltys)

He worked as an “IT Supervisor” at Six Flags for awhile.

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-soltys-a642316b/ and https://archive.vn/e5xvB

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Resume: https://djmsolentertainment.wixsite.com/resume

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His RL pic:
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There were rumors that he was evicted for not paying his rent so I looked at the PA Courts website. https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/CaseInformation.aspx and his landlord sued him for $144. I don’t know why he was sued for such a small amount, but the damages were more than the amount which means he really fucked up.

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The rest the comments about him here speak for themselves.
 

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I'm honestly shocked we don't have a thread on Nitro yet. From what I've heard secondhand, most furs who attend furmeets in Pennsylvania regularly have encountered him at least once. Most of the people who simply attended CCFC generally had a good time, so that's probably why CCFC and Nitro didn't get the same amount of hate online compared to something more visible, eg the guy who brought an actual fox to MFF.

Granted, compared to other furry lolcows there's no evidence of Nitro creeping on kids or abusing animals (which honestly is a really low bar to judge furries, but that's a discussion for another day), but his ability to burn bridges with everyone who gave him the benefit of the doubt and rack up huge debts is nothing short of impressive.

-Nitro didn't explicitly ban kink stuff like pup masks or ABDL stuff, but it worked out because other than like 2-3 people wearing the hoods, nobody wore anything inappropriate so it mostly worked out by chance.
-One of the guests of honor was the same tiktok fur who made that furpocalypse video I mentioned in an earlier post. Nothing really funny about that, just thought it was an amusing connection.
-The final bill owed to the hotel was penalized with extra fees and fines for three separate incidents;
1) The previously mentioned agreement on Thursday night to pay 5K upfront and the rest after the con.
2) The hotel staff had to re-clean everything because the con staff left a big mess. I've been told this was mostly because the con staff didn't have nearly enough time or manpower to get it done reasonably well.
3) Taking too long to pay the hotel back, so the hotel slapped on a late fee
-Nitro personally ships out all the unsold merchandise on the CCFC store page. If you buy anything from it, you are willingly giving Nitro your dox.
This was one of the only tweets I could find mentioning (archive) the $5K debt on Thursday night
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Here's a better photo of Nitro Nitro's BF (archive) posing with a local news station. I heard the final news report was a pretty uneventful fluff piece, I'll look into finding it later
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The con book was never printed and only exists as a digital file (archive). I've heard this was because it wasn't ordered in time but don't know that for a fact. There doesn't seem to be a way to download it on their site, so here's the link to read it online
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I found the post (archive) by the CCFC DJ announcing he was quitting as chairman two days after Nitro forced it on him. It lines up with what was already known and I honestly can't blame the guy for quitting. Flynne also reposted it to their twitter (archive) but I'm not embedding it since it's completely identical
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Another furry pointed out (archive) that a local Harrisburg paper that advertises all the local events had no mention of CCFC:
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This furry claims (archive) that he contacted Nitro for a refund that he never got. Nitro allegedly sent him a voicemail saying "it's coming eventually" that was posted on Soundcloud. I've downloaded the file and attached it to this post for archiving reasons
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Shortly after CCFC, there were plans (archive) to start a CCFC fundraiser specifically to cover debt and to cover a 2021 event. I have no idea if this actually happened or not, but it's written by the DJ between the two days he was chairman:
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Here's Oble (Dealer's Den head) posting a photo (archive) of their booth, confirming the conflict of interest and was right next to the main entrance to the Dealer's Den:
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#blamenitro (archive)
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I get the feeling Denver's furry con scene is going to be always cursed. A furry made a megapost about DenFur's hotel issues and apparently the hotel is a badly run, falling apart place kept afloat by events like the furcon.
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CIA Nigger said:
I get the feeling Denver's furry con scene is going to be always cursed. A furry made a megapost about DenFur's hotel issues and apparently the hotel is a badly run, falling apart place kept afloat by events like the furcon.
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Reg was HOW MUCH?! For WHAT size of a con?

I balk at paying anything north of $60 for a registration at a west coast con with people there and shit to do. $70 for essentially Babby's First Furry Con is highway robbery.
 
CIA Nigger said:
I get the feeling Denver's furry con scene is going to be always cursed. A furry made a megapost about DenFur's hotel issues and apparently the hotel is a badly run, falling apart place kept afloat by events like the furcon.
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Idk why everyone always forgets that the fuckin con was funded by stolen money from lemonbrat which was settled privately and is now "being paid back." Ive spoken to several workers of lemonbrat... They havent barely seen anything, Treble is a fucking mess as it is, going as far as driving in his car in fursuit and pulling the "its totally safe guys!" card when people called him out. Im hoping the Corgi Cons fail. They also only banned Growly for clout, including the Raiders (which Foxler supposedly even emailed ahead of time to make sure that they were allowed at the convention and then promptly escorted out upon arrival. Meaning he paid for his hotel room, reg, etc... and then got booted despite having a statement from Denfur saying otherwise. I swear there was pics before of the letter. I'll have to dig around some..
And don't get me wrong, Im glad they booted the problematic people, but at least do it for something other than clout?


Edit to include some recent Saphy bull. Saphy runs a LOT of NSFW con chats disguised under some bullshit company. Recently in the NSFW BLFC one, there's obviously no chatter considering the con is postponed to October and its typically 2 people speaking to each other in the group. Saphy came in and decided to state there were "complaints" that only those 2 people were talking and proceeded to BAN them from the other NSFW chats they run. Then, use it as a bargaining chip to allow them back in. Both got back in under the promise they wont speak about Saphy banning them in the first place. (What?) And last night, some random person who has barely talked came in bitching about only 2 people speaking again, which there was around 5-7 if we're being fair.. and Saphy piped up again that the person has a point. Everyone basically ignored Saphy and the random person and kept talking. Douchebag admin? I think so.
 
LurkerDog said:
Idk why everyone always forgets that the fuckin con was funded by stolen money from lemonbrat which was settled privately and is now "being paid back." Ive spoken to several workers of lemonbrat... They havent barely seen anything, Treble is a fucking mess as it is, going as far as driving in his car in fursuit and pulling the "its totally safe guys!" card when people called him out. Im hoping the Corgi Cons fail. They also only banned Growly for clout, including the Raiders (which Foxler supposedly even emailed ahead of time to make sure that they were allowed at the convention and then promptly escorted out upon arrival. Meaning he paid for his hotel room, reg, etc... and then got booted despite having a statement from Denfur saying otherwise. I swear there was pics before of the letter. I'll have to dig around some..
And don't get me wrong, Im glad they booted the problematic people, but at least do it for something other than clout?
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I don't doubt that's why it was done but you got anything to back that up?
 
Catch Your Breath said:
I don't doubt that's why it was done but you got anything to back that up?
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(Don't kill me. Archive doesn't work for me for some reason!) There was a like.. court site that mentioned more, it'd be somewhere in the Drama thread.
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Chromatic Collector said:
I don't think they ever banned him. I think it was just assumed that he might've been since he was part of the original crew that Treble and friends overthrew and took the con from.

From what I've heard, there was no public "ban list," and that one of the higher ups working registration, Alofoxx, was unaware of any bans. GSFC were probably planning on banning him in case he showed up so they could play hero and get easy support from the community like they did with Denfur. Same shit different con: no one, including Foxler, was prebanned...and then Foxler shows up and gets banned.

The thing about Growly going to a hotel is accurate though. It was something called "Fox Party" which is some kinda kink/sex 18+ party that's hosted at a few cons. Fox Party, from what I hear, tends to work closely with cons and again, even they had no idea Growly was "banned." I'm sure if the host of the party knew he wasn't allowed at the con he wouldn't have let him into the party.

EDIT: GSFC also pulled the same shit with local furry Kiran Fennec/FenGod. They claimed there was no prebanned list, except in this case Kiran would actually get it in writing that he wasn't allowed. The document claimed that there was multiple complaints against him...but then again, Kiran is CassMutt's ex. And she's an art director for Corgi Events LLC which runs GSFC.

So it could've been that Growly was banned low key, and either he's lying, or never got his message/letter, or GSFC was gonna try a sting operation for easy clout gain.
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Just some shit I've snagged from other threads and such.
 
LurkerDog said:
(Don't kill me. Archive doesn't work for me for some reason!) There was a like.. court site that mentioned more, it'd be somewhere in the Drama thread.
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Nerd & Tie Archive
Cook County Record Archive

They were already archived so dw about it. If you're using Brave or Chrome as your browser btw, I suggest installing Archive Today's browser plugin. Saves me a lot of time.
 
CIA Nigger said:
I get the feeling Denver's furry con scene is going to be always cursed. A furry made a megapost about DenFur's hotel issues and apparently the hotel is a badly run, falling apart place kept afloat by events like the furcon.
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Having been to DenFur both years (and the last year of RMFC, although I don't recall any hotel-related incidents that year), I can confirm that the Crowne Plaza DIA is a shithole. The convention center layout is terrible, and you have a mile of narrow hallways with very little temperature control, save for a few ad hoc cooling stations, between the hotel and the rooms for the main attractions. Both years of DenFur we got stuck with rooms that had an air conditioner that didn't work, and it took several days, several calls to the front desk, and several techs who didn't give a shit about fixing the problem before we got someone who knew what he was doing to come in and actually fix it the right way (it was the same tech both years, and it's a shame to see him working at such a crappy hotel). I saw that the above tweets mentioned room cooling issues as well, and we talked to several people who were in the same boat. Last year we reserved a room well in advance that was supposed to have two queen beds since we had a friend staying with us, but when we got there we were told that room service was way behind on prepping rooms so we'd have to wait a few hours before our room was ready, and after waiting those few hours, we ended up with the Hobson's choice of a room with a single bed and a pull-out couch or waiting for a room that may not become available all weekend (the room we originally reserved, of course).

About the only good thing about the hotel was that, at least as far as I can remember, the slow-ass elevators never broke.
 
OccamsShaveClub said:
Having been to DenFur both years (and the last year of RMFC, although I don't recall any hotel-related incidents that year), I can confirm that the Crowne Plaza DIA is a shithole. The convention center layout is terrible, and you have a mile of narrow hallways with very little temperature control, save for a few ad hoc cooling stations, between the hotel and the rooms for the main attractions. Both years of DenFur we got stuck with rooms that had an air conditioner that didn't work, and it took several days, several calls to the front desk, and several techs who didn't give a shit about fixing the problem before we got someone who knew what he was doing to come in and actually fix it the right way (it was the same tech both years, and it's a shame to see him working at such a crappy hotel). I saw that the above tweets mentioned room cooling issues as well, and we talked to several people who were in the same boat. Last year we reserved a room well in advance that was supposed to have two queen beds since we had a friend staying with us, but when we got there we were told that room service was way behind on prepping rooms so we'd have to wait a few hours before our room was ready, and after waiting those few hours, we ended up with the Hobson's choice of a room with a single bed and a pull-out couch or waiting for a room that may not become available all weekend (the room we originally reserved, of course).

About the only good thing about the hotel was that, at least as far as I can remember, the slow-ass elevators never broke.
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If you were local you shoulda pitched a fit and got your money back. I've never been to CO but I've been told it can get pretty hot over there. I live in an incredibly warm climate and know the struggles of no AC.
FUCK.
THAT.
I'd be going full Karen mode on a manager by that point.
 
Catch Your Breath said:
If you were local you shoulda pitched a fit and got your money back. I've never been to CO but I've been told it can get pretty hot over there. I live in an incredibly warm climate and know the struggles of no AC.
FUCK.
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I'd be going full Karen mode on a manager by that point.
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I did complain enough to at least get some of the room cost compensated, but I probably could've pushed harder and gotten more back. I'll admit I'm a bit of a pushover when it comes to stuff like that.

Denver is definitely still hot in early August, and it didn't help that everyone in our room had full suits, so that added another layer to the hell that was being in those rooms. I'm surprised nobody overheated to the point of needing medical attention.
 
OccamsShaveClub said:
I did complain enough to at least get some of the room cost compensated, but I probably could've pushed harder and gotten more back. I'll admit I'm a bit of a pushover when it comes to stuff like that.

Denver is definitely still hot in early August, and it didn't help that everyone in our room had full suits, so that added another layer to the hell that was being in those rooms. I'm surprised nobody overheated to the point of needing medical attention.
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I can be a pushover when it's only MYSELF being inconvenienced but if I'm in a group with people & EVERYONE is suffering, you better believe I'm going to make staff suffer until everyone gets what they want / need.

Really sorry that happened to you lot but at least no one needed to go to the hospital.
 
LurkerDog said:
They also only banned Growly for clout, including the Raiders (which Foxler supposedly even emailed ahead of time to make sure that they were allowed at the convention and then promptly escorted out upon arrival. Meaning he paid for his hotel room, reg, etc... and then got booted despite having a statement from Denfur saying otherwise. I swear there was pics before of the letter. I'll have to dig around some..
And don't get me wrong, Im glad they booted the problematic people, but at least do it for something other than clout?
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I have no love for Foxler or anybody else involved with him, but jesus christ. When you openly fuck somebody over as a publicity stunt, it says more about your character than about the target’s.
 
Catch Your Breath said:
If you were local you shoulda pitched a fit and got your money back. I've never been to CO but I've been told it can get pretty hot over there. I live in an incredibly warm climate and know the struggles of no AC.
FUCK.
THAT.
I'd be going full Karen mode on a manager by that point.
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I’d complain even more so when its an entire hotel full of walking carpets, double fuck that.
 
Greywolf said:
That hotel's the largest UK conference centre hotel outside of London. You're right about there being more to do in London and it'd be a better experience for attendees in nearly every way except price.

Confuzzled's staff have a pathological hatred of the idea of moving the con anywhere near London though. The staff and directors are convinced (and have been for years) that moving to London would kill the con. People wouldn't pay for it etc (hell, I'd buy a day ticket for shits and giggles). Many staff have threatened to resign if it ever did. The bitching and infighting over it contributed to two years of senior people leaving and vowing never to come back.

It's more likely to save the con. That Hilton is falling to pieces, the overflow hotel (a Crowne Plaza) is in much better shape. Hilton are jerking off it for as much profit as possible before it falls down or gets shut down. CFz ran with only one working elevator last year, and several panel rooms flooded. A move to London would be a huge improvement just because you can't get away with shit like that as a hotel there. It's a key marketplace to the point where most Travelodges have on-site restaurants.

CFz has no shortage of disgruntled ex staff, the trick is getting them to talk.

Furblefox would be a good one. And Tryst, Rizzorat, Nall and crew. All have had issues with the way the con's run and been very shouty about it on the Twitters.
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the only reason not to move to London is probably the amount of gangs in London. stabbings go on 24/7 and eastern London has gangs that enforce sharia law or some shit like that, which would therefore mean the furries would probably get shanked or killed. but that won't be the reason because "dats raycist" plus you can hire private security.


I also have a bit of a question, what happened to the dude who was on telegram who was making home made mustard gas and dythemelmecury? I remember hearing about that mid last year but the group was shut down and I never heard about it after. on this topic, why aren't cons targeted by any seigefags/ schizo /pol/ guys? ive heard multiple cons have security thats more just people power projecting and since drugging is a major problem you could put cyanide in peoples drinks or just drug them and kill them like that one UAE prince. you can rate this horrifying/autistic but genuinely there have been threats but no one has actually done shit
 
Ah furpoc 2019, good time.

Place was a shit show. I'm surprised no one talked about Furpocs pool situation.

See the hotel had this indoor pool, and we'll it definitely fit the theme of horrifying. The bottom was blotchy with some unidentifiable substance. People began to speculate that it was mold and thus began the "Moldy Woldy" speculation. The hotel was extremely old, so it seemed just like wear and tear but it was pretty black.. pretty disgusting.

As most good furry cons, they advertised a photo booth where you could go get pictures. It was a corner, in the middle of bumfuck hallway nowhere land held their photoroom. A corner that only held one spotlight, a Walmart scarecrow and other cheap items as "props" it was pathetic. No photographer there to take pictures, just a vacant corner.

Good times.. good times!
 
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