A common misconception regarding the Amish survival potential for the coming demographic collapse (and human extinction).

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The last few months I've been slumming around on /pol/, I see ever more often someone saying something along the lines of "well, the Amish will at least prosper once the rest of us are gone". Often with a dozen more more kike/nigger/faggot level slurs. This notion is bizarre, and I have trouble determining if it is born out of ignorance, disregard, thoughtlessness, sheer stupidity, or some combination of those things.

Let's run through the scenario in full.

The rest of humanity other than the Amish become extinct due to troonery, faggotry, and school-indoctrinated "having no children will greatly reduce your carbon footprint" brainwashing. The Amish are still there, they have farms, and they have a awe-inspiring fertility rate (everyone marrying, often having 6+ children from each couple). Their numbers grow exponentially until a few centuries later, there are billions of Amish. And they all live happily ever after.

And some of that is true. They do have extraordinary fertility rates. They do highly favor farming as a means to earning their livelihoods. These things I do not and could not dispute. But they are a parasitic (not in a jew way, more in a clinical usage of the term) civilization. This doesn't make them offensive to me, I have no ill will towards them. Allow me to explain.

The Amish, for all their (mostly misunderstood) aversion to technology, use quite alot of modern technology just the same. Every piece of cloth in their homes and on their bodies comes out of textile factories in Asia. Every single scrap. They tend to not grow much in the way of fiber crops either (very little cotton, though the Mennonites in the Texas panhandle grow some small amout). Though they could likely ramp up production quite a bit if pressured, they do not have the expertise, tools, or facilities to process that. These processes are complicated, and without modern machinery absurdly labor-intensive. In medieval Europe, it was the work of women (spinning, and so forth, right out of the fairy tales). Not a few women, not many women, practically all of them. Even princesses and queens would do this shit. If they were to attempt to weave their own cloth, from yarn they spun from their own fiber, it would dominate their waking hours. But Amish women already perform many hours of work per day. There isn't a spare 14 hours to be found for them to make cloth.

The Amish also use tractors. The bishops (their spiritual leaders, one per village/clan/community) aren't totally against the idea of using tractors to farm, they're mostly against making it comfortable. This takes several forms... a seat on a tractor can't have springs, because that doesn't perform any real work, it only makes it a bit softer on the ass of the Amish man driving the tractor. The same for rubber tires... I shit you not, they have special steel wheels constructed, and drive the tractors around with those. Sort of looks like something out of a Mad Max movie. And over the last 50 years, most have adopted the use of tractors and related farm equipment for plowing, planting, fertilizing, and harvesting their crops. But when was the last time you saw an Amish petroleum refinery? There will be no fuel for these tractors. When was the last time you saw an Amish John Deere factory? There will be no replacement parts or replacement tractors when those inevitably fail irreparably (supposing they don't just rust away unmoving and unfueled). If they lose their tractors (often small and mid-sized, rarely if ever the gigantic ones), the number of acres they can cultivate drops fourfold or even eightfold, and the yields on that acreage also drops. Their ability to feed themselves has more constraints (and as with above, even less spare capacity to grow cotton or raise sheep).

Their problems do not end here, however. The Amish are well-renowned for their ability to come together as a community and build a barn or home in a single day. But when have you ever heard of an Amish iron foundry? When have the Amish ever mined for iron ore? How do you build a barn in a day without nails? One of the pants-on-head imbeciles on /pol/ saw fit to inform me that they'd just do this without nails... as if any of the other alternatives were even remotely viable. You can't build a barn in a day, if you use fancy joinery that relies on labor-intensive, careful precision fastenerless joints. You can't build those without some of them spending their lives doing nothing but practicing such joinery (the Amish don't tend to specialize in that way), and if you just do it the harder way you need more resources, time, etc. Which sort of misses the point. The Amish can gift a day's labor to their neighbor to build a barn, because it doesn't take very long, and tomorrow he can go right back to farming his own plot. He can't afford to spend 3 months helping his neighbor build the barn (and the community definitely can't afford everyone do this for 3 months).

Quite possibly the thing that will hurt them the most is this. Their women and their pregnancies benefit from modern medicine. They can have 7 or 8 children each only because of modern medicine. 200 years ago their fertility rate wasn't so impressive as that. Many women died in childbirth, many of their children died early. And if the rest of civilization fails, then these circumstances will revert to what they were centuries ago, as well.

If the rest of us go extinct, the Amish follow within a few centuries (at most).
 
If the rest of us go extinct, the Amish follow within a few centuries (at most).
If they make it even a few decades they would adapt.

I can think of two huge obstacles to survival after the SHTF:
  1. the ability to grow food is altered for a long time by modern intensive agriculture. Used to be, that the soil was a living organism with mycelia and whatnot, which transfered nutrients over the area. Nowadays agricultural land is literally a desert pumped with nitrogen based fertilizers. Without them, the yield of such soil would be abysmal for a long time.
  2. Many breeds of animals, but especially horses, which were carefully cultivated for hunderds of years to be used in agriculture are simply lost. The horses we have now are unusable in front of a plough.
 
You can reuse nails.
  1. the ability to grow food is altered for a long time by modern intensive agriculture. Used to be, that the soil was a living organism with mycelia and whatnot, which transfered nutrients over the area. Nowadays agricultural land is literally a desert pumped with nitrogen based fertilizers. Without them, the yield of such soil would be abysmal for a long time.
  2. Many breeds of animals, but especially horses, which were carefully cultivated for hunderds of years to be used in agriculture are simply lost. The horses we have now are unusable in front of a plough.
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The purpose of control is to extract value from you. Cows give milk, humans give ______. Labour, that's right kids.

Amish succeed because the control network that is currently collapsing the demographic is absolved from their lives. We were never anything more than humans and are a part of nature. The work required to survive on your own is 1-2h of day just meeting your biological needs. If you live in moderate area, you have a great deal of time to spend on yourself on your family.

To idealize yourself as a prominent schoolar, worker, liberal etc. is just a set of tags of where you fit in system's cogs, system that you completely internalized and has become your identity.

You would think that technology would improve our lives and make us work less but it is the opposite.
Although the lives of hunter-gatherers were rather tenuous and short, their workloads were relatively modest, requiring only about 20 hours per week to acquire and prepare food, and to make tools, clothing, and shelter. They had a lot of latitude in how and when they performed their duties. It was not uncommon for men to spend five or six days hunting and then taking a week or two off for rest and leisure. Women could often collect enough plant foods in one day to feed their families for three days. Hunter-gatherer band societies were pretty egalitarian, had little social stratification, and ascribed equal status to hunters who were typically men and gatherers who were normally women.<a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4098799/#B2">2</a> They received abundant social support by working within groups with strong kinship ties.

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  1. Many breeds of animals, but especially horses, which were carefully cultivated for hunderds of years to be used in agriculture are simply lost. The horses we have now are unusable in front of a plough.
Horses are a resource waste.
As were told by older farmers, 1/3 of fields were just to feed horses.
Poorer people just used cows and such to plow.
 
If they make it even a few decades they would adapt.
This is unlikely. Even if their culture's norms were to allow them to become oil refinery workers or whatever (doubtful), by the time it becomes absolutely necessary to do so, that institutional knowledge will be gone and their culture doesn't encourage the sorts of personalities that could ever rediscover it, let alone on a timescale that preserves necessary function. And it's not just oil refineries, but many different specialties that number in the low thousands.

Your rebuttal isn't very rational. "They'll adapt" isn't anything anyone has ever said about the Amish.

how did people survive before the industrial revolution? i
The Amish actually post-date the early industrial revolution, early 1700s. So this isn't an interesting rebuttal.

I am very sorry to hear that and I hope you get the help you need soon.
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Your rebuttal isn't very rational. "They'll adapt" isn't anything anyone has ever said about the Amish.
I meant it more in the sense of technological regression. They would learn to do things without high technology.

And of course they would try to do that. Maybe some hardline fanatics would refuse and just die of hunger, but the rest would alter their tradition and social norms to avoid starvation.
 
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If milk comes from cows, where do the cows come from?

Checkmate, Amish!
 
The problem with forecasting doom is that it usually requires you to ignore the incredible human knack for adaptability. I think the Amish'll be fine.
 
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You ever actually been around real Amish people? I have. My dad used to do carpentry work for quite a few of them and they were frequent sights in town. They stink like shit, look deformed, and are generally asshats. Do you think they're living in a complete agricultural independence? lmao no. The Amish survive off of illegal activity. Horrific dog mills are their bread and butter because they have zero considerations for animal welfare and they're also well known for gun trafficking. Feds are wary of doing anything to them because of this wholesome image they've cultivated but they're just a bunch of pedophiles and criminals.
 
>how did people survive before the industrial revolution? it is a mystery. humanity really went extinct centuries ago
The entire system was built for using the land and resources. You cannot just remove the industrial world and assume you can carry on as though it never happened. People have pointed out already that the soil has been utterly drained of all resources, the land has been massively changed to suit our more techie needs.

You cannot just say "oh well, people were around before the modern medicine advancements, so they can just be fine without them" whilst ignoring the loss of the old ways, the massive loss of life as adjustment happens, the fact that new problems exist that did not exist back then.

It might sound good as a reddit comment, but its fucking retarded.
 
You ever actually been around real Amish people? I have. My dad used to do carpentry work for quite a few of them and they were frequent sights in town. They stink like shit, look deformed, and are generally asshats. Do you think they're living in a complete agricultural independence? lmao no. The Amish survive off of illegal activity. Horrific dog mills are their bread and butter because they have zero considerations for animal welfare and they're also well known for gun trafficking. Feds are wary of doing anything to them because of this wholesome image they've cultivated but they're just a bunch of pedophiles and criminals.

I wouldn't be at all surprised. The other thing about them is all the inbreeding. I think they're almost as bad as Muslims in that regard.

There's also apparently a surprising amount of Amish people that use social media. They all hide their phones when anyone might be looking, but they apparently all follow eachother on TikTok and things like that, because it's a sort of mutually assured destruction - you can't tell the elders I have a TikTok account, because then you'd have to explain to them how you know that I have a TikTok account.
 
Not really sure how demographic collapse would lead to modern technology being inaccessible, or how the idea that humanity simply can't recreate post industrial revolution technology despite having dozens of videos showing people doing it with legos.

And if we assume it happens, might as well go all the way and ask if they'll survive roaming gangs of Niggers attempting to loot them.
 
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I don't think they look deformed, the ugly ones are not really any uglier than ugly people from any other group. They just look like anyone else from Utah except they dress weird.
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not sure about the smell but these niggas aren't deformed.
 
I don't think they look deformed, the ugly ones are not really any uglier than ugly people from any other group. They just look like anyone else from Utah except they dress weird.
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not sure about the smell but these niggas aren't deformed.

I can pick out a good looking apple from a barrel of rotten ones too. Ones I've seen had fucked up teeth, the women near had full-on beards at times, facial features just didn't look right. This one just one family either, it was basically all of them in that community. If you told me they had all been the products of incest I would not have been surprised.
 
I don't think they look deformed, the ugly ones are not really any uglier than ugly people from any other group. They just look like anyone else from Utah except they dress weird.
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not sure about the smell but these niggas aren't deformed.
…Amish aren’t from Utah… They’re from Pennsylvania.
 
They will survive, but only in the way the gypsies did or those religious minorities did in the Middle East, like the Yezidis, Alawites, or the Druze - all of whom were left alone as long as they paid their taxes but were deliberately targeted when moments of crisis kicked in. The Amish ambivalence towards violence is what will do them in since they will always be under the will of whoever could physically restrain them. At best, they should copy the Jews and get into usury since, like the Jews, you won't see them fighting in the military anytime soon; this is excluding Israeli Jews, of course.

Look at Assad and his family - Alawites who only rose up due to them being a minority since the French could rely on them more than a Muslim. The Mormons themselves are similar in that regard, rising in ranks in spook agencies due to "loyalty" and due to knowing multiple languages, unlike most Americans. This not only helped them in terms of long-term survival, but now they are neck-and-neck with the Vatican in terms of wealth, only really possible due to a good number of them working within American intelligence.
 
The entire system was built for using the land and resources. You cannot just remove the industrial world and assume you can carry on as though it never happened. People have pointed out already that the soil has been utterly drained of all resources, the land has been massively changed to suit our more techie needs.

You cannot just say "oh well, people were around before the modern medicine advancements, so they can just be fine without them" whilst ignoring the loss of the old ways, the massive loss of life as adjustment happens, the fact that new problems exist that did not exist back then.

It might sound good as a reddit comment, but its fucking retarded.
Nice (and wrong) generalizations but in a world where the human population has massively dropped the Amish would have a great surplus of material resources to scavenge. If you think there isn't sufficiently good soil to feed a few hundred thousand Amish because THE SOIL HAS BEEN UTTERLY DRAINED OF RESOURCES you're utterly retarded. Let's assume all the Amish are in the US and their population is cut in half by the apocalypse to about 200,000. You think a population that size can't be supported because THE SOIL HAS BEEN UTTERLY DRAINED OF RESOURCES? Yeah okay, there aren't huge tracts of land that could be successfully farmed. Nope. Without post-WW2 fertilizers couldn't grow a damn thing. I'm rolling my eyes very hard if you can't tell. NEW PROBLEMS EXIST! New problems always exist, humanity doesn't go extinct from them. THE OLD WAYS ARE LOST! Well except for all the records of them that the Amish would be free to learn from. Unless the apocalypse also destroys all the mountains of books all over the place that detail older methods of producing, well, everything. Any half-decent college library has all the information ever needed to produce food and materials with pre-industrial revolution processes. How did our ancestors not go extinct before creating and refinng those processes anyway? They didn't even have the old ways, they had to invent them! You underestimate humans and overestimate the level of resources the Amish survivors of the apocalypse would have access to. A far more dangerous threat to their continued survival would be genetic bottlenecks, not litrully being unable to produce the necessities of day to day life
 
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