🐱 Alt-Right Platform Gab's Management Is Now Blaming a Leftist Conspiracy for Their Nazi Problem

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Twitter knockoff Gab became one of the premiere destinations for members of the extremist “alt-right” banned or just looking to branch out from other social media sites like Twitter. Now, it’s devolving into a sludgy mess of paranoia and conspiracy theories.

Gab, whose logo resembles the Pepe meme appropriated by the far right, was denied Apple App Store placement and later banned from Google’s Play Store in the aftermath of a neo-Nazi terror attack in Charlottesville. It markets itself as a free speech alternative to other platforms like Twitter and Facebook, but its management appears to be growing weary handling the sheer number of racist goons that have taken up residence there. Per a report in the Daily Beast, as the site’s users have grown more aggressive, it’s resulted in retaliatory action from members of its management team, and now everyone is screaming at each other about (almost certainly imaginary) leftist infiltrators.

From day one, the Beast writes, some users have been suspicious of Gab founder Andrew Torba’s choice of the url “Gab.ai,” which “loosely translates to a Hebrew word meaning an assistant in a synagogue.” But recently the drama has escalated much further, with chief operating officer Utsav Sanduja promising to call the police at least twice—once after receiving a picture of a noose surrounded by swastikas, and again to report a message he saw as a death threat:

Last week, Sanduja set off a firestorm on the site, after he perceived Jared Wyand (an alt-righter who was kicked off Twitter, ostensibly for claiming that Star Wars promotes “white genocide”) to to be threatening him.

“You have a false sense of security that leads to a leaky mouth in a room full of highly capable men who have their backs to the walls,” Wyand wrote Sanduja on Gab. “That’s a very large mistake but don’t let it stop you. ”

Sanduja replied that he was reporting the message to law enforcement.

Sanduja told the Beast the message was “clearly designed to intimidate and suppress my right to speech,” adding, “The things I do are very dangerous. The reality that is I am trying to liberate people around the world from tyranny, essentially, speech censorship, and our team faces a lot death threats.”

(Neo-Nazis and white supremacists generally do not actually believe in free speech, but whatever.)

Backlash built after both Sanduja’s threats to call law enforcement and a separate statement he had blocked 5,000 users, and it coincided with a drop in activity and the loss of some high-profile users. But site management believes their issues are being aggravated by “SJW groups” infiltrating the site, the Beast wrote:

In a post last week, Torba alleged a “24/7” campaign of anti-Gab attacks including “malicious actors breaking guidelines on purpose and reporting to LEO [law enforcement officers],” and “massive PSYOPS on our company/us personally.”

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Sanduja said he and Torba think some of Gab’s Nazis are actually fake Nazis, who are just trying to make Gab look bad.

“We have seen instances where there are people who claim to be Nazis, but are in fact on the payroll of various SJW [social justice warrior] groups,” and trying to damage Gab’s reputation, he said.


Sanduja told the Beast that prominent white supremacists like Richard Spencer and neo-Nazi troll Andrew Anglin are either no longer or much less active on Gab. He added, “We see this significant drop-off in the number of users and chatter, and then all of a sudden we start to see these strange anon accounts created a month ago pretending to be Nazis and talking about killing Jews and all this crap.”

So, two possibilities: Either a leftist conspiracy is trying to make Nazis look bad by posting the same kind of stuff that Nazis post, or Gab and its userbase of some of the worst people online are scoring endless own goals with internecine bickering. Hmm.

In a statement to Gizmodo, Sanduja declined to provide any evidence for the supposed SJW conspiracy.

“Gab relies on a number of whistle-blowers working in Silicon Valley, reputable hacktivists, and yes, sometimes journalists, along with members of our community for this information,” Sanduja wrote. “Further to this, there have been whistle-blowers from a number of Left-leaning organizations that have corroborated said activities to us in confidence. For their safety and protection, Gab will not give up sources.”

The “alt-right” has long been preoccupied with infighting and some of its highest-profile groups have disintegrated amid the fallout from Charlottesville. But the Center for Investigative Reporting’s Reveal recently noted that the white identity movement isn’t likely to burn out anytime soon, regardless of the fate of the specific boardsthey hang out on.

“There’s a lot of chaos in … (the alt-right) now, obviously, but I think they’ve successfully implanted in a lot of white people, especially angry white young men on the internet, the idea that white identity politics is acceptable,” Daily Beast reporter Will Sommer told Reveal. “They’ve been derailed by a lot of personal issues among their leaders, but hard to imagine that idea going away.”

Update 5:15pm ET: In a separate statementemailed to Gizmodo, Torba claimed to have been targeted by users “LARPing as Nazis” as well as ones “openly proclaiming that they are Democrats, Antifa members, or leftists,” as well as waves of spam and distributed denial of service attacks:

Over the past several weeks Gab has noticed an increase in accounts that have been recently created and are breaking our common sense user guidelines on purpose. They are threatening and targeting our employees, our families, community members, customers, investors, and donors. Some, but not all, appear to be LARPing as Nazis. Others are openly proclaiming that they are Democrats, Antifa members, or leftists. There is no one unified ideology here. The common theme is guideline violations on recently created accounts.

Alongside of these attacks, we have also been DDoSed multiple times. There have also been a swarm of spam bots that we have been fighting off. Unlike other social networks we take a proactive approach to removing bots and have no purpose for inflating user counts to deceive advertisers (which we do not have.) We have banned well over 50,000 bots this quarter alone.

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Many self-proclaimed members of the alt-right do not like Gab and do not use it. We have suspended self-proclaimed alt-right users for breaking our guidelines around threats of violence and doxing. We have done the same for self-proclaimed communists, Antifa, and Democrats. We enforce our user guidelines consistently and fairly regardless of political ideology.


Torba added that he had heard rumors that a number of groups such as the “New Right” and liberal site Shareblue were paying people to attack Gab, but “We can not directly validate these claims, they very well could be trolling.”

Additionally, this post has been updated to clarify that Sanduja said he had blocked, not banned from the site, 5,000 users.
 
Sanduja told the Beast the message was “clearly designed to intimidate and suppress my right to speech,” adding, “The things I do are very dangerous. The reality that is I am trying to liberate people around the world from tyranny, essentially, speech censorship, and our team faces a lot death threats.”

(Neo-Nazis and white supremacists generally do not actually believe in free speech, but whatever.)

Yes, add this statement into your article, one "Alt-Right" leader once said he doesn't believe in Free Speech so everyone on this website doesn't either because the entire website is Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists.

Are they alleging that Sanduja can't express his desire for free speech because "neo nazis and white supremacists" don't like it? Are they saying he can't support free speech because he's also a Neo Nazi/White supremacist? This curry nigger?

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Gizmodo, the new Kotaku. Yes, there is a "leftist conspiracy" to attack gab: it's this article itself calling the curry-nigger manager a Neo-Nazi who can't support free speech because some egghead named Richard Spencer doesn't like it.
 
Why even pretend there aren't people out there who like to pose as members of "the other side" as they see it, to discredit them? This happens constantly online, wasn't it Brianna Wu who would regularly respond to obvious sock accounts minutes after they tweeted about him during gamergate? Or how about the idiot who was sending death threats and shit to Maddox and his girlfriend pretending to be a Dick fan? People do this all the time for FUN nevermind politically motivated scheming. Never underestimate how low people will go to make their "enemies" look bad.
 
Yes, add this statement into your article, one "Alt-Right" leader once said he doesn't believe in Free Speech so everyone on this website doesn't either because the entire website is Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists.

Are they alleging that Sanduja can't express his desire for free speech because "neo nazis and white supremacists" don't like it? Are they saying he can't support free speech because he's also a Neo Nazi/White supremacist? This curry nigger?

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Gizmodo, the new Kotaku. Yes, there is a "leftist conspiracy" to attack gab: it's this article itself calling the curry-nigger manager a Neo-Nazi who can't support free speech because some egghead named Richard Spencer doesn't like it.

Well, if vice considers The Wayback Machine an alt-right site, then Gab must be straight up Hitler.
 
wow
shocking

You know, about a month back, Gab's official account retweeted a clip of Nick Fuentes talking about why fighting for free speech isn't important if its going to be used by liberals. I responded by saying that this is why I think Gab will top being a free speech platform once/if it has to show restraint and let crazy leftists use it. Gab's response to me was something along the lines of "HURPA DURPA I'M A TRIGGERED SNOWFLAKE!".

Gab is run by retards.
 
Why even pretend there aren't people out there who like to pose as members of "the other side" as they see it, to discredit them? This happens constantly online, wasn't it Brianna Wu who would regularly respond to obvious sock accounts minutes after they tweeted about him during gamergate? Or how about the idiot who was sending death threats and shit to Maddox and his girlfriend pretending to be a Dick fan? People do this all the time for FUN nevermind politically motivated scheming. Never underestimate how low people will go to make their "enemies" look bad.
It's also now common for people online to troll themselves for attention.
 
My question is, how does this happen on that platforms on not this one. It seems that this website doesn't have that many neo-nazis, and others like it is full of super right wing cucks.
 
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the owner was literally a neo nazi though making a hug box for other assholes

Gab's problem was they invited a bunch of trolls over to a platform where there ended up being nothing but trolls. What are trolls going to do but troll each other? And they generally went back to Twitter which is where the trollbait lives.
 
wow
shocking

You know, about a month back, Gab's official account retweeted a clip of Nick Fuentes talking about why fighting for free speech isn't important if its going to be used by liberals. I responded by saying that this is why I think Gab will top being a free speech platform once/if it has to show restraint and let crazy leftists use it. Gab's response to me was something along the lines of "HURPA DURPA I'M A TRIGGERED SNOWFLAKE!".

Gab is run by exceptional individuals.
This isnt uncommon, the same thing happened to Voat. I mean it's almost deterministic. It started out explicitly as a hugbox, I mean Twitter is probably ban happy but they do apply their shit to leftists, who bitch about it, because Twitter follows the letter of the rule in order to be safe rather than the spirit. Like you have to be pretty explicit to actually catch shit on twitter and even then theyre such a public company they catch shit all the time and will back down if the public opinion gets too hot. So the only people who use Gab are people who cant manage to stop themselves from screaming about niggers in the middle of a Charleston rally or something. And then youre surprised that theyre still screaming into the void and shaking their fist at the sky about it on Gab?

The seed group was born from people who were butthurt at being banned, it was never and never will be a platform for "free speech" and so nobody else but the seed group, the fringe group will go there or be interested in it, they have no reason to know it exists. Even people who do argue in favor of "free speech" have no reason to go there over any other place, because the culture just doesnt foster free speech. It's hamstrung from its inception. Maybe there's no wordfilter but the point was never about free speech, it was about them being upset that they were asked to leave because they dont know how to behave.
 
Does anyone but absolute utter exceptional individuals even use this any more?
The only marginally noteworthy person I can think of who uses it is Ghost, and he only switched because he was banned from twitter. Considering he brags about being in contact with the owner I doubt he's very far from being the most noteworthy person on the site besides maybe some neo-nazis.
 
Maybe Chris was right about the Internet making everyone autistic.

Like who thinks that sending veiled death threats to the site's founder is a good idea?
 
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The most cliche'd post ever written.
That's seriously not an understatement, though. Gab.ai doesn't even try to hide it either, just pore over the "most popular" page for five seconds and you'll find post after post about the "evil Jews" and "Kekistan" all over the damned place. I don't know what Gab's intention was originally, but it's pretty obvious that it was completely hijacked by /pol/ rejects to the point where there's really nothing that can be done to reverse the trend. If they ejected all of them then they'd be ejecting 95% of the site's primary users.

It also doesn't help that the site's just flat-out fucking ugly and nothing even approaching user-friendliness. If you want to make a competitive platform to rail up against Twitter, that's fine. Do it. But you can't make that platform by just screaming about how you're not Twitter all day, every day. You have to give the general public a solid, legitimate competitor, not just promise to never ban them no matter what they say. That's nothing more than an invitation to foster a community of foul-mouthed twelve year-olds who just want to say the word "nigger" as many times as they can without getting punished for it.

Not a lotta' good's gonna' to come from that kind of community.
 

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That's seriously not an understatement, though. Gab.ai doesn't even try to hide it either, just pore over the "most popular" page for five seconds and you'll find post after post about the "evil Jews" and "Kekistan" all over the damned place. I don't know what Gab's intention was originally, but it's pretty obvious that it was completely hijacked by /pol/ rejects to the point where there's really nothing that can be done to reverse the trend. If they ejected all of them then they'd be ejecting 95% of the site's primary users.

It also doesn't help that the site's just flat-out fucking ugly and nothing even approaching user-friendliness. If you want to make a competitive platform to rail up against Twitter, that's fine. Do it. But you can't make that platform by just screaming about how you're not Twitter all day, every day. You have to give the general public a solid, legitimate competitor, not just promise to never ban them no matter what they say. That's nothing more than an invitation to foster a community of foul-mouthed twelve year-olds who just want to say the word "nigger" as many times as they can without getting punished for it.

Not a lotta' good's gonna' to come from that kind of community.
It's possible to have a free speech friendly site without it getting swarmed by Neo-Nazis. Like this site.

Found this on the Wikipedia page. I think we need a Gab thread for this quote alone: "In response to criticism, in March 2017, Gab announced its plans to make the site more diverse by removing the downvote button. According to Torba, this feature was also being abused by 'social justice warriors'."
 
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Alongside of these attacks, we have also been DDoSed multiple times. There have also been a swarm of spam bots that we have been fighting off. Unlike other social networks we take a proactive approach to removing bots and have no purpose for inflating user counts to deceive advertisers (which we do not have.) We have banned well over 50,000 bots this quarter alone.
One thing I've never understood, why don't ddos attacks result in punishment for the originating nodes? Like, why can't a company being ddosed fire off a bunch of complaints to the ISPs saying fix your shit? I know a lot of these botnets are made up of hacked computers, but they can say "grandma, if you can't stop clicking on Nigerian prince emails, no more internet for you". If an entity can't keep from shitting all over the internet, they should lose that privilege.
The most cliche'd post ever written.
He's not wrong...
 
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