Amazon's Invincible - thoughts?

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If they do keep it then they'll probably do a cut to black at the end of the episode or something. Odds are that they'll have some special trigger warning at the beginning too.
Have Anissa ambush Invincible so that he gets slammed into the ground and then she just stare deviously down at him while levitating, cut to credits then the next episode can start with Invincible sitting there half-naked and in despair like he did in the comic. That'd be a relatively safe way to handle it.
 
it was making fun of new 52
by doing the exact same thing?
I genuinely think one of my most hated tropes EVER is when a work "makes fun of" a trope that sucks...by proceeding to do that trope that sucks 1:1 but acting like you're clever because you had the characters go "man this trope sucks" ten seconds before doing it.
 
The entire thing with Viltrumites killing each other because Thragg wanted to get rid of their weakness doesn't makes that much sense if you consider that Argall was murdered by one of the arguably most powerful Viltrumites in existence, so really wouldn't it make more sense if they would try to kill all stronger people, logically speaking?

The Viltrumite empire really stopped working as a super villain faction when we actually learn more about it, since it's just a few evil empire cliches and tropes stitched together that anyone who is older than 12 should have already seen better executed in tons of other media.
Given how the Viltrumite population was so small by the time the show starts (less than 50 left) you'd think their Empire would have started to use good PR and offers of peace, stability, free tech, and food to get people to join willingly, as opposed to using brute force. Maybe the brute force approach would've worked well under Argall when they had legions of Viltrumites, but between Thragg's purge and Thaedus' virus, there's barely enough of them to run a banana republic, much less a galactic empire.

The closest thing I seem to remember where an evil empire weeds out the weak was with the Old Republic-era Sith Empire from Star Wars. But they themselves do not kill their own people en-masse like the Viltrumites did; they just had high training standards, and those Force-sensitive acolytes who fuck up in the training die. But if they pass the training, they're good to go. It doesn't matter to them whether or not an acolyte's strength in the Force is great or small, so long as they pass muster on the training and can kill shit, they're Sith. Sure, there's a few power struggles between some Sith here and there, but there's literally millions of Force-powered Sith in the Sith Empire, so the most that does is just change the name of the asshole that everyone bows to.

Even the bloody Saiyans did better as an evil empire, and 99% of them are literally a bunch of fucking low-IQ monkeys addicted to violence. Instead of weeding out the weak, they send out their weak and stupid as trash mobs to take enemy planets, for them to sell to Freeza. Either the weak die off and they have less mouths to feed, or the weak succeed and the Saiyan Kingdom makes money from their exploits. Someone like Bardock, Goku's dad, was born as a lower-class weakling, but thanks to his many battles, he grew stronger to the point where he was almost as strong as King Vegeta. So at least the Saiyans give their weaklings the chance to grind and get better; the Saiyans don't just toss 'em aside.

Even when they had a total wimp like Goku/Kakarot who was born with a pathetic power level, he eventually grew to be powerful because of training. If Thragg was the king of the Saiyans at that point, Kakarot would've probably been euthanized in the crib, and the Saiyans would've never been able to beat Freeza as a result.
 
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Given how the Viltrumite population was so small by the time the show starts (less than 50 left) you'd think their Empire would have started to use good PR and offers of peace, stability, free tech, and food to get people to join willingly, as opposed to using brute force. Maybe the brute force approach would've worked well under Argall when they had legions of Viltrumites, but between Thragg's purge and Thaedus' virus, there's barely enough of them to run a banana republic, much less a galactic empire.
"Muh pride. Muh honor. Muh warrior culture."
 
I genuinely think one of my most hated tropes EVER is when a work "makes fun of" a trope that sucks...by proceeding to do that trope that sucks 1:1 but acting like you're clever because you had the characters go "man this trope sucks" ten seconds before doing it.
The Boys also did this with the whole “girls get it done” shit in season 2. Both produced by Seth Rogen too; Odd.
 
Given how the Viltrumite population was so small by the time the show starts (less than 50 left) you'd think their Empire would have started to use good PR and offers of peace, stability, free tech, and food to get people to join willingly, as opposed to using brute force. Maybe the brute force approach would've worked well under Argall when they had legions of Viltrumites, but between Thragg's purge and Thaedus' virus, there's barely enough of them to run a banana republic, much less a galactic empire.
Looking back they went about conquering earth in the most retarded way imaginable, they sent ONE lone obvious operator there to be a superhero for some reason and hep beat up villains for like 20 years before eventually it was time to act, and all he had to do was kill like 5 guys who would've lost to Conquest or Lucan anyway and try to get Mark on his side where they'd presumably tell earth not to fight back, if the plan was to always do it forcefully, why not do it that way right from the start? Or have Anissa come down to tell Cecil "yeah so obviously you can't beat us, just give us your resources and don't try to fight us and we'll give you our space tech, and won't even come down to oppress or kill anybody"? Sure it won't exactly be a firm grip, but that's about the most stable form of rule they could have with like 50 guys left around.
 
Looking back they went about conquering earth in the most retarded way imaginable, they sent ONE lone obvious operator there to be a superhero for some reason and hep beat up villains for like 20 years before eventually it was time to act, and all he had to do was kill like 5 guys who would've lost to Conquest or Lucan anyway and try to get Mark on his side where they'd presumably tell earth not to fight back, if the plan was to always do it forcefully, why not do it that way right from the start? Or have Anissa come down to tell Cecil "yeah so obviously you can't beat us, just give us your resources and don't try to fight us and we'll give you our space tech, and won't even come down to oppress or kill anybody"? Sure it won't exactly be a firm grip, but that's about the most stable form of rule they could have with like 50 guys left around.
Oh yeah absolutely. All the Viltrumites had to do was offer their strength in exchange for fealty. The audience saw Nolan go through that dimensional portal and absolutely destroy an entire planet, if he offered evidence along those lines and said "this is what we will do to anyone who threatens Humanity, in exchange you will provide X, Y, and Z to us." If they don't take the deal then let them get attacked, come back after some destruction, and ask again.

Edit: the Viltrumites could even stage a false flag attack, send other vassals to invade Earth and then come and defend and say they'll continue to defend Earth in return.
 
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Interestingly enough the comic confirmed that the Viltrumites actually try to use negotiations to convince other people to join their empire and only use violence as a last resort.
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(Also yes this was the issue where Omniman tries to conquer earth with force lol, but still they really were at their most interesting back then.)

Maybe the brute force approach would've worked well under Argall when they had legions of Viltrumites, but between Thragg's purge and Thaedus' virus, there's barely enough of them to run a banana republic, much less a galactic empire.
Funnily enough we had an ongoing discussion about it that started on page 83 of the thread because I sperged exactly about that.
I think you weren't around back then but some people had interesting takes about it so I guess you could check that out if your curious.
Atleast I would be interested in your opinion.

Also yeah overall the comic feel like it has interesting plotbeats and ideas but doesn't developes them in a meaningful way even if it would help the story.
For example the Martians just exist to explain the magic squids before they get eaten (Shapesmith doesn't count).

So what if you would reimagine them as refugees that settled on Mars after escaping from a Viltrumite planet and other members came to earth with Omniman and use their shapeshifting abilities to take over different positions for example.
 
Looking back they went about conquering earth in the most retarded way imaginable, they sent ONE lone obvious operator there to be a superhero for some reason and hep beat up villains for like 20 years before eventually it was time to act, and all he had to do was kill like 5 guys who would've lost to Conquest or Lucan anyway and try to get Mark on his side where they'd presumably tell earth not to fight back, if the plan was to always do it forcefully, why not do it that way right from the start? Or have Anissa come down to tell Cecil "yeah so obviously you can't beat us, just give us your resources and don't try to fight us and we'll give you our space tech, and won't even come down to oppress or kill anybody"? Sure it won't exactly be a firm grip, but that's about the most stable form of rule they could have with like 50 guys left around.
I'd just offer Earthlings free tech and resources if they agree to help repopulate the Viltrumite race. We'd make Earth a client state, which has Viltrumite protection. Humans can explore the galaxy on the Viltrumite dime and be treated as honored allies. That way, we'd have a way to make a larger Viltrumite army with them. Several centuries down the line, humans keep breeding with half-Viltrumite, half-human hybrids, until pure humans naturally age out and all future humans have Viltrumite DNA. Once that's done, we're good to go.

Oh, and Thragg has to go. We don't need another purge.
 
Have Anissa ambush Invincible so that he gets slammed into the ground and then she just stare deviously down at him while levitating, cut to credits then the next episode can start with Invincible sitting there half-naked and in despair like he did in the comic. That'd be a relatively safe way to handle it.
It should be the start of an episode. Invincible gets slammed down. She stares at him, "If I'm going to breed with humans might as well be a half breed like you, " - cut to the title card with 'white paint' splattered over it, then the episode can start with him sitting there half naked.
I want this for the sole purpose of reddit/twitter losing their shit with the GRAPE/SA IS NOT FUNNY!!!!!! rhetoric
 
Why don't they just clone themselves?
Probably they think the whole upbringing/weeding out process is too important a part of their culture. They wouldn't be real viltrumites if they were just a bugman clone race. If you spray jizz all over a planet you might have to do more weeding out overall but you'll still end up with more actual viltrumites once the survivors' genes take over.

Or if you mean sci-fi magic transporter clones like the twins, maybe because one of them would always kill the other one and you'd end up with the same number of dudes.
 
Re: "Why Viltrumites didn't just come down to Earth proposing an alliance"

Once Uncle Thedd's buddies caught a whiff of Viltrumite presence on Earth they send Allen to bugspray the planet with the Scourge virus, remember? And he relented only thanks to Mark talking him out of it.
 
Re: "Why Viltrumites didn't just come down to Earth proposing an alliance"

Once Uncle Thedd's buddies caught a whiff of Viltrumite presence on Earth they send Allen to bugspray the planet with the Scourge virus, remember? And he relented only thanks to Mark talking him out of it.
Thaedus and the gang are genuinely retarded, though. Allen kept coming down here thinking it was a whole other planet (Urath) & didn't even clock Nolan as a Viltrumite. In fact, Allen nearly ended up a floating corpse when faced by most midtier Viltrumites. They also had spies within the Colaition and no one did shit until they got Mark and the Knockoffs on their side. All they'd have to do is be hush-hush and could easily rebuild right under their noses.

Thragg does have to go. How are you over 2,000+ years old and considered Viltrum's prime in every stat, yet you think like low iq eugenics loving bodybuilder?
 
Thragg does have to go. How are you over 2,000+ years old and considered Viltrum's prime in every stat, yet you think like low iq eugenics loving bodybuilder?
Being a bit too strong for your own good meaning he never had to learn to use his brain? It's kinda like how would Goku go if got a wish from the Dragon Balls for immortality, if you can excuse the smoothbrain analogy: he'd stagnate at SSJ1 at best due to relying too much on being unkillable and Vegeta would outpace him.

Also Thragg is a genuine psychopath like Rex/Rudy/Robot/Whatever he calls himself this week.
 
Have some of you been reading the comic? I watched the show first and I've been reading the comics recently.

Do you think the show is better or the comic so far? I ask because to me, the show's writing and changes they made are pretty decent for a comic adaptation. Now will I be saying this after season 4? Not sure but I wanna know how you guys feel about the changes between the comics and the show.
 
I'd assume most people read it before it was a show. Some of the changes are black feminist and annoying, but most of them are of the variety of shit an author might have thought about later and wished they'd done something better, foreshadowed stuff better or expanded shit they had to cut originally and now have the opportunity to do a second pass on. On balance it's pretty good. Except for the hell episode.

It's hard to say which is better. Comics benefit a lot from the reader being able to control the pace. But when the show really nails something, like it generally has with most things omniman-related, it's pretty great.
 
Watched the show until end of season 2? (the episode where Uncle Thedd turns off Allen's life support). Then read the comic because fuck Kirkman's brain-damaged marketing ideas.

Changes I liked was Nolan in the Flaxan dimension (comic had him only relaying how he organized La Resistance for months after return) and Cecil showing competence.

Changes I think were for the worse was stretching the Guardians murder plot for a whole season, April turned into some girlboss caricature thus making her character development later nonsensical, Debbie being a bitch and another girlboss caricature, Mark's gay friend played straight as the most disgusting flaming homo your parents warned you about, Titan subplot change making it lose its original lesson for Mark of "help the downtrodden if you must but be wary of them using you", and those are only the first 2 seasons and ones I can remember after... 4 years?

Problem with these changes is that they're for making the show more palatable for modern audiences Kirkman wants to suck up to, not to implement things the comic didn't have the budget for but would make it better. See: the fucking episode... IN HELL!
 
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