EU AP: EU leaders open divisive summit on energy crisis - The traditional driving duo of the EU — Germany and France — were in opposing camps

EU leaders open divisive summit on energy crisis
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Raf Casert and Samuel Petrequin
2022-10-20 13:51:56GMT

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France's President Emmanuel Macron speaks with the media as he arrives for an EU summit at the EU Council building in Brussels, Thursday, Oct. 20, 2022. (AP Photo/Olivier Matthys)

BRUSSELS (AP) — European Union leaders opened a two-day summit Thursday divided on whether, and how, the bloc could impose a gas price cap to contain the energy crisis fueled by Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine and his strategy to choke off gas supplies to the bloc at will.

And, for once, the traditional driving duo of the EU — Germany and France — were in opposing camps, with Germany expressing doubts and holding off plans for the price cap, while most others want to push on.

“Our role is to make sure that there is a European unity and that Germany is part of it,” said French President Emmanuel Macron. “It is not good either for Germany or Europe that it isolates itself. It is important that on proposals that are the subject of a broad consensus, we can find unanimity,” Macron said upon arrival at the summit.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said any dispute was on the method, not the goal. “Prices for gas, for oil, for coal, must sink; electricity prices must sink, and this is something that calls for a joint effort by all of us in Europe,” German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said.

The Netherlands too said it feared that if a price cap was set too high, supplies would simply sail by Europe and go elsewhere. “Everyone wants the gas price to come down, but you want to make sure that gas imports keep coming,” Prime Minister Rutte said.

It set the scene for arduous talks that were unlikely to be settled by Friday afternoon, when the summit is slated to end.

At the opening of the summit, the need for rock-solid EU unity in confronting Russia was to be highlighted by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who is expected to address the 27 national leaders by video conference from Kyiv, asking for continued help to get his nation through the winter.

Scholz said Zelenskyy shouldn’t have such worries. Reacting to Russian attacks targeting civilian infrastructure and spreading fear through cities with killer drones, Scholz said they amounted to “war crimes.”

“Even such scorched-earth tactics won’t help Russia win the war. They only strengthen the determination and staying power of Ukraine and its partners,” he told Parliament in Berlin.

The upcoming cold season will also be front and center at EU headquarters, where leaders will turn their own heat on in what are expected to be talks that will run deep into the night.

Natural gas prices spiraled out of control over the summer as EU nations sought to outbid one another to fill up their reserves for winter. Now EU leaders will seek to increasingly pool their purchases of gas and perhaps set a temporary price cap to make sure an overheated energy market doesn’t return to haunt them again.

The member states have already agreed to cut demand for gas by 15% over the winter. They have also committed to filling gas-storage facilities to at least 80% of capacity by November and — as a way of reducing gas-fired power generation — to reducing peak demand for electricity by at least 5%.

The question of possible EU gas-price caps has moved steadily up the political agenda for months as the energy squeeze tightened, with 15 countries such as France and Italy pushing for such blunt intervention.

And where Angela Merkel was the soothing voice often brokering a compromise during her 16 years as German chancellor, her successor Scholz is now at the heart of a division in the bloc.

Germany and the Netherlands maintain that market interventions like excessive price caps could hurt both the availability of natural gas and incentives for governments and consumers to save it.

A plan for the EU to pool joint purchases of gas and measures to improve solidarity with EU nations most hurt by the spiraling energy prices was expected to receive much more support, diplomats said.

Russia is increasingly relying on drone strikes against Ukraine’s energy grid and civilian infrastructure and sowing panic with hits on Ukrainian cities, tactics that European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen called “war crimes” and “pure terror” on Wednesday.

Diplomats are already assessing more sanctions to come. But Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban’s perceived friendliness toward the Kremlin makes life tougher. Even though the previous EU sanctions targeting Russia have been approved unanimously, it has increasingly become difficult to keep Orban on board by agreeing to exemptions.

“The failed sanctions in Brussels are already an almost unbearable burden. We will urge the reconsideration of the war sanctions policy,” Orban wrote Wednesday, throwing down a political gauntlet to his colleagues.
 
The Netherlands too said it feared that if a price cap was set too high, supplies would simply sail by Europe and go elsewhere.
Isn’t it the other way around? If your price cap is lower than what others are willing to pay, then the supplies will go to them, not you. If the cap is higher, it’s like you don’t even have a cap at all.
 
So these bumbling incompetents are about to make the energy crisis worse.
On one hand this is terrible.

On the other hand, I do love Dumpster Fires.


Edit : What if their plan is to turn The EU into a Dumpster Fire large enough to keep everyone warm through the winter?
 
EU Backs Energy Measures as Germany Yields on Gas Price Cap
Bloomberg (archive.ph)
By Ewa Krukowska, Jan Bratanic, and Jorge Valero
2022-10-21 07:07:13GMT

The European Union agreed to press ahead with a set of emergency actions to address the bloc’s energy crisis, with Germany yielding to pressure from other member states to pave the way for a temporary price cap on natural gas. European natural gas prices fell after the accord.

“We sent also a clear signal to the market,” European Council President Charles Michel said at a news conference early Friday. “It means that we are ready to act together, that we are able to work together and there’s strong political willingness. I’m confident that there will be an effect very soon.”

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz came into the meeting firmly opposed to more radical interventions in the gas market, even as a majority of the bloc’s 27 nations were seeking a political endorsement of a price cap.

After hours of intense negotiations, the leaders asked the EU’s executive arm to propose a “temporary dynamic price corridor on natural gas transactions to immediately limit episodes of excessive gas prices,” they said in their joint summit conclusions. They also said they would pursue a temporary framework to cap the price of gas in electricity generation, including a cost and benefit analysis.

Natural gas in Europe fell, with benchmark futures declining as much as 4.8% on Friday and headed for a third straight weekly loss.

“We will develop a complementary new index to reflect better the LNG price situation and for the meantime we will establish a market correction mechanism to limit episodes of excessive gas prices,” European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said at a news conference. “We will work with energy ministers to submit a legal proposal to operationalize the market mechanism.”

Leaders also asked for steps to avoid extreme price spikes and to use their joint purchasing power as leverage in negotiations with global gas suppliers. Joint purchasing would be voluntary but with a requirement for 15% of the volume needed to fill gas storage to be bought as a bloc.

EU leaders will meet Friday for the second day of their summit, with economic issues on the agenda. The bloc’s energy ministers will meet next week to continue trying to hash out the details of the various plans.

Countries including France, Italy and Poland had been pushing hard to limit the cost of gas, which is roiling economies and fueling inflation as the region heads for a winter with drastically reduced shipments from Russia after its invasion of Ukraine. If the bloc can’t agree on significant enough steps, it risks having national government take diverging routes to address the fallout.

Price Spikes
“There is a lot to do to make this concrete, but we need to find a concrete way to limit these,” Scholz said after the meeting, referring to price spikes.

French President Emmanuel Macron said the aim is to have explicit mechanisms laid out in the next two to three weeks.

“The fact that we found an accord tonight and showed our determination shows a clear signal to markets of our determination,” he told reporters.

But Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said it is “very difficult to see” that the price cap could be ready within the next few weeks. “We really have to assess all the pros and cons and the ramifications,” he told reporters. “If it would not fulfill the requirements, for example, could also lead to a higher base price or gas sailing away from Europe.”

The leaders also stressed the need for Europe to pursue joint action to alleviate the impact of the crisis on companies and consumers, maintaining the level playing field and avoiding undermining the bloc’s single market.

Germany’s €200 billion ($195 billion) plan to shield its national companies and households from high energy prices has come under criticism from member states that worry it would cause irreparable imbalances within the bloc.

Heading into the summit, Michel said it was a “moment of truth” for Europe as it confronts the toughest winter in decades, with economies staggering under the double blows of high inflation and record energy prices.

European natural gas prices have declined by more than 60% since the peak in August, with strong flows of liquefied natural gas helping to replace Russian supplies and fill up storage sites. A mild start to the winter heating season has also helped damp demand but temperatures are set to drop as winter kicks in and gas prices are likely to rise in the coming months.

Industry and households’ ability to cut consumption in response to high prices will be key to managing shortages. On the supply side, Europe needs to continue attracting LNG cargoes ahead of buyers in Asia.

— With assistance by Milda Seputyte, Ania Nussbaum, Birgit Jennen, Patrick Donahue, John Ainger, Slav Okov, Alberto Nardelli and John Follain

(Updates with market reaction in first, fifth paragraphs)

Spiraling Costs
European countries are spending billions on energy support
Country Funding allocated (€) As % of GDP
Croatia 5.2 9.19
Malta 1.1 7.71
Germany 264.2 7.40
Lithuania 3.6 6.58
Greece 10.5 5.74
Netherlands 45.3 5.26
United Kingdom 97.0 3.55
Italy 62.6 3.53
Portugal 7.0 3.33
Portugal 7.0 3.32
Luxembourg 2.4 3.29
Latvia 1.1 3.22
Spain 38.5 3.20
Czechia 6.9 2.88
France 71.6 2.88
Romania 6.9 2.88
Bulgaria 1.8 2.64
Austria 9.3 2.30
Poland 12.4 2.18
Denmark 6.8 2.02
Slovakia 1.9 1.96
Norway 4.6 1.13
Slovenia 0.5 1.01
Belgium 4.3 0.85
Cyprus 0.2 0.65
Ireland 2.1 0.50
Estonia 0.2 0.50
Finland 1.1 0.43
Sweden 1.6 0.29
Source: Bruegel, Bloomberg
 
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EU leaders avoid deep rift on gas price cap at energy summit
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Samuel Petrequin and Raf Casert
2022-10-21 03:04:08GMT

BRUSSELS (AP) — European Union leaders struggled to find immediate practical solutions on how to deal with the energy crisis but avoided an open rift between Germany and France on Friday that would have exposed a divided bloc as it confronts Russian President Vladimir Putin over his war in Ukraine.

After daylong talks in Brussels dragged well into the night, the 27 EU leaders papered over divisions between some of the biggest member states and at least agreed to continue working on ways to impose a gas price cap in case of big price increases.

French President Emmanuel Macron highlighted his work with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz to create a veneer of unity after talks that started early Thursday. He said that together with close technical advisers, “I will see Chancellor Scholz in Paris next week so that we can move forward, with our teams, on all the issues.”

Scholz said the main issue was curbing “spikes” in gas trading that may last only a few hours but still send prices excessively upward. He said measures to counter that should be further examined.

“How can we avoid these spikes? There is still a lot of concrete work to be done. But we must look at ways to contain it, which certainly makes sense,” Scholz said.

When the axis between Paris and Berlin is aligned, usually the rest of the EU follows.

“There is a strong and unanimously shared determination to act together, as Europeans, to achieve three goals: lowering prices, ensuring security of supply and continuing to work to reduce demand,” said summit host Charles Michel, the EU Council president.

Diplomats said the execution of the proposals, including the possibility of a price cap, should be first properly assessed by energy ministers next Tuesday and might even need a new summit of leaders in the coming weeks.

“There is a lot of work ahead,” said Belgian Prime Minister Alexander De Croo. “We are pushing ourselves into unchartered territory, where we don’t have experience yet.”

To make sure the runaway cost of gas doesn’t further tank struggling EU economies, the Commission has proposed a system to pool buying of gas and offered a compromise that would allow for a correction mechanism to kick in in exceptional circumstances.

Countries like the Netherlands and Germany were loathe to start such market intervention, but agreed to study a system that would be failproof and not allow suppliers to stop delivering and go to more lucrative markets.

“It is incredibly complex but you see that everyone wants to get the gas prize further down, but in a way that we continue to get gas deliveries and that it doesn’t move to Asia or Latin America. We need it here, too,” said Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte.

In addition, the leaders are also pushing for the creation of a new LNG gas index better reflecting the market following the drastic reduction of imports of pipeline gas from Russia.

Divisions were so big at the start of the summit that agreeing on further exploration of the plan proposed by the Commission was seen as almost an achievement in itself.

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said a price cap would send suppliers away. The “gas price cap is like going to a bar and telling the bartender you want to pay half price for your beer. Not going to happen,” he said on Twitter.

The traditional driving duo of the EU — Germany and France — were in opposing camps, with Germany expressing doubts and holding off plans for the price cap, while most others want to push on.

Scholz said any dispute was on the method, not the goal. “Prices for gas, for oil, for coal, must sink; electricity prices must sink, and this is something that calls for a joint effort by all of us in Europe,” he said.

Natural gas prices spiraled out of control over the summer as EU nations sought to outbid one another to fill up their reserves for winter. The member states have already agreed to cut demand for gas by 15% over the winter. They have also committed to filling gas-storage facilities to at least 80% of capacity by November and — as a way of reducing gas-fired power generation — to reducing peak demand for electricity by at least 5%.

The question of possible EU gas-price caps has moved steadily up the political agenda for months as the energy squeeze tightened, with 15 countries such as France and Italy pushing for such blunt intervention.

At the opening of the summit, the need for rock-solid EU unity in confronting Russia was highlighted by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who addressed the 27 national leaders by video conference from Kyiv, asking for continued help to get his nation through the winter.

Russia is increasingly relying on drone strikes against Ukraine’s energy grid and civilian infrastructure and sowing panic with hits on Ukrainian cities, tactics that European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen called “war crimes” and “pure terror” on Wednesday.

Diplomats are already assessing more sanctions to come. But Orban’s perceived friendliness toward the Kremlin makes life tougher. Even though the previous EU sanctions targeting Russia have been approved unanimously, it has increasingly become difficult to keep Orban on board by agreeing to exemptions.
 
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EU is a freaking hot potato disaster waiting to happen. The rest of the world isn't a whole lot better off, but if they pull stunts like this.. Wow.
 
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France I can't give too much shit they get highest amount of their power from nuclear in the world.

But rest of the EU (also america and other countries) are no where close to where they should be when it comes to nuclear power with most of them getting less than 20% of their power from it.

They have had years even before the annexation of Crimea to get the ball rolling on this. Hell the goal of stopping global warming if they really cared should have been enough motivation to move over to nuclear.
 
Have the Europeans made demands or requests to the US and Canada that they stop fucking around and expand oil production? I haven't seen the US take much flak for slowing down oil during during the shortage in Europe.
 
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Have the Europeans made demands or requests to the US and Canada that they stop fucking around and expand oil production? I haven't seen the US take much flak for slowing down oil during during the shortage in Europe.
They didn't give a shit as long as Trump was gone. Biden ran on shutting oil production down.

Edit: They also seemed to have fallen for the green power fairy dust. I'm not sure even the left really believes in that anymore, but maybe.
 
France the tail wagging the continental European dog as ever. Everyone blames Germany for EU bullshit, yet it is France who fucks everything up for their own gain. No bank would lend to the French government at less than huge double digit rates if they weren't secured by Germany's credit card.

Basically, Germany has just tentatively agreed to drop Russia as a gas supplier "for the good of the EU". It's almost as if France has a stranglehold on the World's supply of useful Uranium or something? Or if you want to be really cynical, The Eternal Anglo is sabotaging the competiton again.

And that table up there is a beautiful data illustration of why the EU does not, cannot function as a single entity. Look at that economic disparity.
 
The Eternal Anglo is sabotaging the competiton again.

God, I wish, but instead, we had a fat bumbling bastard who batted hard for Green Energy and his dumb intern successor who managed to speedrun a currency collapse, neither of which had the brains nor patience to subvert the mainland as is tradition.

No, this is the European in its natural state, attempting to take the moral high ground whilst screwing over their partners.
 
Thats a big fail for Globohomo. Soon ITalia will have new leadership and all plans will be fucked.
 
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