Are Americans wrong when it comes to refugees?

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Americans, both in the left and the right, constantly use migrants and refugees in political discussions when it comes to topics like cultural shifts, demography, and job shortages. All of their points are valid in their own ways, but they get this one thing wrong...
They're complaining about an issue that they themselves have caused.

Your tax money is being used to create the same conditions that causes people from multiple parts of the world to flee their countries in the first place.

Many refugees and migrants coming to Western nations would LOVE to stay in their countries, and they do want to stay in their own countries because no one wants to lose years of their lives trying to adapt somewhere else. But, their future was stolen from them due decades of bombings, occupations, political assassinations, sanctions, illegal selling of firearms, and coups.
The US is no Kyrgyzstan. It's a global superpower with control over the global financial system with its currency, the international policy via the UN with its veto power, and influence over trade deals and routes. They won two World Wars and the Cold War.
Basically, the whole world order we know from birth was built for and by them throughout the century. And, during the Cold War, being under America's sphere of influence with its free markets, liberal democracy, and religious freedom was more appealing in comparison to Soviet atheist autocracy. However, since there's no "enemy" to justify its own rule throughout the world, the US ended up creating their own. There would be no Putin today if Yeltsin's Russia worked and had the reforms it needed.

Washington's weaponization of their financial institutions with its sanctions cripples economies, that pushes millions of people to extreme poverty while causing food shortages to children. That gives people no other choice but to migrate in search of a better life. Look at places like Venezuela, people leave not because they want to, or because they want an "easy life", but because life has become so unlivable and unbearable due to economic collapse that being anywhere else would be an upgrade. Ironically enough, sanctions strengthen and often times legitimize regimes because the economic burden they go thru can be blamed on external influence, as opposed to internal ones. Citizens suffer, but the leadership stays intact.

Even its own allies, the Europeans—are paying a heavy price due to Washington's actions. Do you think that there would be as many Arabs in western Europe if it wasn't due to their escalations? What about the pressure the US puts on its own allies for denying entry for the refugees that they themselves have created?
Orbán's Hungary for example, will end up on Russia's sphere of influence due to their unwillingness to accept migrants, any nation that refuses to bow down to Washington's is punished. Germany had its Nord Stream bombed.

Leftists aren't innocent either, they're complicit as well.
It disgusts me to see so many leftists advocate for welcoming refugees, celebrating diversity, or even using demeaning neologisms like "PoC".
But, these ghouls never seem to put pressure in their own government to make regions stable, thus making those refugees' home countries better, so, you know... the "People of Color" are happy? Inside their own countries? As opposed to make them end up somewhere else just to be treated like a pet by Westerners who use them as a talking point?
Instead of supporting a stable foreign policy that alleviates conditions in same said regions, leftists JUSTIFY MASS MIGRATION AND CONFLICTS.

Migrants who often arrive in Western nations work for subpar wages in tough conditions, which keeps the economy running, sure--but it exploits them. For those on the left who sees migration as a solution, I ask them: Are you just filling low-paying jobs to keep the economy running? Many refugees and migrants live in fear of being deported back to hellish conditions they fled, which makes them vulnerable to your propaganda.
While the left boasts about inclusion, they ignore that all these traumatized people keep voting for them SOLELY out of the fear of being deported, so they will vote for them again, and again, and again, and again. Basically, free votes forever. The more refugees, the better.

TLDR - The United States went batshit retarded in the last decades, so instead of blaming migrants and refugees, it's better to recognize that the US' heavy handed approach to its allies, potential allies, and enemies caused millions of people worldwide to leave their homes. Whoever wins in '24 needs to unfuck the world as soon as possible, and then go "America First". Not go America First right away while keeping the refugee faucet running. If they do, in 4 years you will see more refugees. Make the world so stable that no one needs to leave their homes anymore. Leftists, stop using the suffering of others to earn votes. Promote peace, fair trade, and sustainable foreign policies, so they can go back home safe and sound. That's a better investment than printing infinite monopoly money for yet another international adventure.
 
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Orbán's Hungary for example, will end up Russia's sphere of influence due to their unwillingness to accept migrants
lol, I think that's a worthwhile trade for picking up Finland, Sweden and Ukraine. Russia doesn't even have a sphere of influence anymore.

, any nation that refuses to bow down to Washington's is punished. Germany had its Nord Stream bombed.
I think that had to do with Russia launching a war of aggression and outright conquest against another European country.
 
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You know, I think I have a solution:
  1. Halt ALL immigration
  2. Deport ALL illegals (they're not "undocumented", the government knows exactly who/where they are)
  3. Halt ALL foreign aid
  4. Halt ALL foreign intervention
Let the shitholes sink or swim on their own. Clearly handing out gibs doesn't work. Intervening in conflicts doesn't work. Maybe it's time to face the facts that they're just incompatible with Western society.

Oh, and on the immigration front, even if we bring in 10 million turd-worlders every year (which would completely fuck us), the rest of the turd world is shitting out 80 to 100 million more to replace them. Every year.

America is not "magic soil." Living here won't make you prosperous. And if we're so racist/xenophobic/bigoted/whatever, maybe you should fuck off, we're full.
 
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Yes goy, you engineered this situation and these refugees are more American than you. Feel guiltier and keep those scabs coming.
 
so i feel like this was already a known thing but i could be wrong. its been happening for years though. some random country gets invaded or becomes a target in a war which forces the people to leave and seek asylum somewhere else. the easiest way to solve this issue is to stop getting involved in shit that is not our problem. it really is that simple. it also might not hurt to not destroy cities if it can be avoided or at least help rebuild more.
 
You say all these things about how America has increased issues across the world, but that isn't really true. With the rise of American hegemony world violence, world hunger and destabilization has declined. This isn't to blow America's horn, because America has been rising along side the modern world, but 1st world governing includes massive wealth transfers outside of parent countries. This is completely new to world history and has had incredible effects on the entire world population.
Migration is the same as it's always been, localized people running away from localized issues. Whether in search of new jobs and new lives or escaping some warlord this is nothing new and is likely happening at lower per capita rates (I'm assuming here but it makes sense, it's hard to be a warlord now, people know your name and bigger fighters can much more easily travel to you to snuff you out vs just 50 years ago.)
 
Washington's weaponization of their financial institutions with its sanctions cripples economies, that pushes millions of people to extreme poverty while causing food shortages to children. That gives people no other choice but to migrate in search of a better life. Look at places like Venezuela, people leave not because they want to, or because they want an "easy life", but because life has become so unlivable and unbearable due to economic collapse that being anywhere else would be an upgrade.
Oh fuck off. 99% of those countries fucked themselves up, blaming the west for it is just White Saviour/WE WUZ KANGZ mentality where only white people are responsible for what happens and those dindus would have had their Wakanda had the USA not interfered. Fucking using Venezuela as an example, that is peak country fucking itself off with socialism after thinking the high oil prices will remain forever until they dropped and the entire economy dropped with them.
Many refugees and migrants coming to Western nations would LOVE to stay in their countries
Absolutely horseshit. The current average migrant is a working age male who is on the lower rungs of society in his home country. He burned any future prospects for himself in his own country and cynically uses the new country's welfare and goodwill.

The reason people grew to hate modern migrants isn't racism, it's because they are leeches that ruin every publicly funded aspect of modern life. You can't even walk in some of the streets of European cities with the amount of scammers and thugs. Any actual refugee that needs help is still in their country being raped to death while the problematic proles are sent out so they wouldn't fix anything in their own country.
 
Many refugees and migrants coming to Western nations would LOVE to stay in their countries, and they do want to stay in their own countries because no one wants to lose years of their lives trying to adapt somewhere else.
Lol, then go back.

Wait, it sucks there, and it's really nice to live in a country where tap water is potable and toilets can flush paper?

The current migrant crisis is so bad because poor countries are finally rich enough to be able to afford to travel. As Sweden has discovered, "refugees" aren't stopping where they're safe; they're stopping where the final destination has enormous social safety nets and high wages.
 
You will get me to concede the CIA and glowies killed a lot of fucking commies, insurgents and "played god" in shit hole countries to stop them from fucking up the US economy by not allowing them to fuck up their shit hole countries even further, thus fucking up the world/US economy. You WILL NOT convince me the CIA and glowies inspired the commies, insurgents, Islamic theocracies to seize power in an otherwise working system.

If this is to complicated to understand I'll just say Venezuela is responsible for it's own failed economy and not my fucking problem.
 
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In current year plus nine, refugees are used primarily to buckbreak the natives. If it was all about big line going up, there are numerous economic indicators that demonstrate refugee importation doesn’t result in net growth. Lowering the cost of labor gets wiped out with the social costs of refugees plus gibs and the bureaucracies that are needed to distribute them. So in the eyes of the people that actually have power, refugees are working exactly as intended. For the rest of us? We’re on the losing end. Importing refugees is actually really expensive.
 
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