Are we being indoctrinated that revenge is bad?

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Yeah it's a glowie topic, but it's a thought that has been going into my head while playing a game and having the billionth "Revenge bad" moralizing in it. Usually the idea of revenge being a negative is by either saying the act does not actually achieve any satisfaction (not correct according to people like Gary Plauché) or a cycle of revenge (which is a small minority of the time when the person being killed has people that care enough for him to get revenge). The idea of revenge itself is one of the most basest of human urges and it's usually invoked as justice, for entirely correct reasons, since taking revenge keeps someone who had wronged you from doing it again and let others know why they shouldn't do it.

So getting to the point, is the idea that revenge being bad is being forced on us for a reason? It makes sense for the elites to teach the lower class that they should never strike back no matter what happens and the idea of revenge being wrong is one such method.

 

[Dyn]

Yeah so there was this guy called Jesus who pretty strongly advocated it, and his ideas shaped the culture you're living in to the point that we rely on them for almost all of our moral guidance, so yeah, I have no idea why our media would be promoting that kind of thing.

 

[Monkey Pink]

"You're stooping to their level!" is a phrase often associated with this that I've had a problem with.

It's hard for me to see it that way. (Justified) revenge is creating equality in a power imbalance. I'm not stooping to their level, I'm bringing myself up. It almost feels like a way to gaslight abuse victims into not fighting back.

Maybe I'm just edgy and bitter, but it's hard for me to demonize the concept of revenge when I know what goes on in the world and how bad the law is at handling these types of people.

 

[Jewthulhu]

Empathy, stoicism, and impulse control are uniquely human traits and are a philosophical ideal. There's nothing praiseworthy about wanting to be no better than a beast.

 

[sadrefrigerator]

Its a cheap theme writers can jam into any story.

 

[TenMilesWide]

is the idea that revenge being bad is being forced on us for a reason?

It's some golden rule bullshit, you can't expect to get better than you give. Enact your vengeance knowing that any survivors will be justified in doing the same to you.

 

[WelfareNiggerQueen]

It's some golden rule bullshit, you can't expect to get better than you give. Enact your vengeance knowing that any survivors will be justified in doing the same to you.

Nobody can get revenge if there's no survivors

 

[Dyn]

Maybe I'm just edgy and bitter, but it's hard for me to demonize the concept of revenge when I know what goes on in the world and how bad the law is at handling these types of people.

I don't think you're edgy and bitter, and I don't think you actually know what goes on in the world. The law might not be a perfect and flawless dispenser of justice you seem to expect it should be, but the alternative is vendetta culture. People can't even agree on who keeps the stereo after a breakup, and it's no different when they're arguing about whose 10-year-old kid should be murdered because both families feel like they're down on score over shit from sixty years ago.

 

[BikeLock]

"You're stooping to their level!" is a phrase often associated with this that I've had a problem with.

The only correct response to this is "So fucking what?"

 

[BikeLock]

It's some golden rule bullshit, you can't expect to get better than you give. Enact your vengeance knowing that any survivors will be justified in doing the same to you.

Easy fix: Ensure there are no survivors.

 

[doodoocaca]

Woque morals are all about obsequiousness, meekness, submission, or in more plain terms "Being a gigantic fucking Cuck."

Forgiveness is a virtue, but not all situations call for it.

 

[Herr Flick]

Revenge and justice are distinct concepts.

Revenge is emotionally motivated and carried out myopically. Justice is logically motivated and carried out wisely. Justice is good for society, while revenge undermines justice.

The elites do benefit from convincing you that they’re the same thing and then demonizing them both because they don’t want you to have justice, either.

 

[WitchfyndeGeneral]

Yes we are. Since 1992, we are being taught that we shouldn’t do revenge even if the intended target is a scumbag. The powerful collectivist establishment want us dead or docile instead of us being tough and defensive.

The idea that revenge is bad started back in the 1990s with shows like Barney. This show planted ideas in minds of young people at the time that you should talk to strangers and this show also perverts the concept of love as well. Many Millennial and older Gen Z who grew up on this show ended up to being effeminate and soy-ed out unable to defend themselves against dangerous people when they need to the most.

The reason why the show is so pacifist and so saccharine and the fact the show aired on public television is because the collectivist on all ends of the political spectrum want us so docile that when the collectivist start implementing cringy and tyrannical shit, we are unable to fight back and we would be forced to forgive scumbags that we shouldn’t forgive at all. They also don’t want us fighting the establishment in revenge or retaliation for what the establishment had done. The people who hated this show had good reasons to.

Look at 2020s for example, when people try to defend themselves against violent thugs or take out violent thugs as revenge for what the violent thugs do, the people defending themselves usually get in trouble instead of the violent thugs. Why? We have a whole generation raised on this Barney crap. You don’t forgive violent thugs who try to hurt you.

Additionally, “You're stooping to their level” is a phrase usually said by a leftist millennial or zoomer. You are not stooping to their level when you are retaliating. You are being better than the establishment and violent thugs when you are fighting in revenge. You can’t love someone when that someone did harm to you or your family.

So, yes. there is hard evidence that shows us that the collectivist elite are indoctrinating the young to believe that revenge is bad.

 

[TenMilesWide]

Easy fix: Ensure there are no survivors.

Survivors in this case includes peers and neighbors who saw what you just did and aren't privy to the context. Good luck on your omnicide route.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Empathy, stoicism, and impulse control are uniquely human traits and are a philosophical ideal. There's nothing praiseworthy about wanting to be no better than a beast.

Can beasts even enact revenge? I brought the case of Gary Plauché because it's one where there is nothing to criticize in it besides the cops putting him in prison afterwards, if anything a trial would have probably increased the trauma to the victim.

Survivors in this case includes peers and neighbors who saw what you just did and aren't privy to the context. Good luck on your omnicide route.

There was a case of a person murdering a guy in broad daylight who was so hated that absolutely no one agreed to testify. The question is if the community knows you did them a service.

 

[quackrock]

Turn the other cheek, goy.

 

[Meat Target]

There can be no true forgiveness if the guilty party is not remorseful.

 

[Lowlife Adventures]

There was a case of a person murdering a guy in broad daylight who was so hated that absolutely no one agreed to testify. The question is if the community knows you did them a service.

Are you referring to the Ken McElroy case?

Thread tax: I see "revenge is bad" as a rule of thumb and not an absolute moral law with no exceptions. A lot of it depends on specifics like how proportionate the act of revenge is, whether the people being targeted actually learn their lesson, whether there are alternative options, etc.

Just enacting revenge without considering these things makes the idea about "stooping down to their level" apply.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Are you referring to the Ken McElroy case?

Thread tax: I see "revenge is bad" as a rule of thumb and not an absolute moral law with no exceptions. A lot of it depends on specifics like how proportionate the act of revenge is, whether the people being targeted actually learn their lesson, whether there are alternative options, etc.

Just enacting revenge without considering these things makes the idea about "stooping down to their level" apply.

Yes, he is another good example of revenge for justice. There's also Marianne Bachmeier to add to the list of justifiable revenge.

Also hopefully other people know the obvious that I don't mean that all revenge is justified but some acts can be considered, at least, morally neutral. Especially when the recipient does not face justice for some reason.

 

[Rei is Shit.]

"Revenge is a virtue" - huwhite lebanese squid ink man