US Aspiring Navy SEALs are using Viagra to self-medicate when they start coughing up blood during qualifying drills - They say it works — but at a price.

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  • In February, a Navy SEAL recruit died after the intense portion of training known as Hell Week.
  • He reportedly used illicit Viagra to offset a buildup of fluid in the lungs from strenuous swimming.
  • Drug use among SEAL recruits has raised concerns about the risks of the notoriously tough program.
The Navy SEALs' infamously difficult training course is so brutal, some recruits are turning to drugs to make it through, including off-label use of Viagra, reports the New York Times.

Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL, or BUD/S for short, is notorious for having one of the highest rates of failure in the US military, a grueling mental and physical ordeal that only the most resilient enrollees can withstand. Only 15-30% of recruits who start the program will complete it, Insider's Stavros Atlamazoglou previously reported.

One portion of training, known as "Hell Week," occurs early on in training but involves near-constant cold, damp, and physical exertion, combined with sleep deprivation.

The program has attracted controversy for recent deaths, and the discovery that recruits were using performance-enhancing drugs to face the challenges of SEAL training.

In February, one recruit died and another was hospitalized after Hell Week. US Navy Seaman Kyle Mullen died February 4, and his death was officially listed as bacterial pneumonia — he had been coughing up blood for days, the Times reported.

During extensive, strenuous swimming in frigid waters, participants in SEAL training may develop a dangerous condition called swimming-induced pulmonary edema, or SIPE, in which fluid builds up in the lungs. A common symptom is coughing up bloody fluid.

One potential treatment for SIPE is sildenafil, better known as Viagra, which is typically used to treat erectile dysfunction.

Mullen had been taking Viagra, against Navy regulations, on the advice of his fellow recruits to manage symptoms of SIPE and stay in the program, his mother told the Times. He recovered enough to keep training, but his condition worsened as the program progressed, according to the Times. Mullen started to fall behind, collapsed, and needed oxygen from nearby medics, but continued through the training until the conclusion of Hell Week, the Times reported.

He completed a medical check, but after medical staff had left, he coughed up enough bloody fluid to fill a Gatorade bottle, according to the Times. Hours later, new recruits called 911 for a medical emergency and medics arrived to find Mullen unresponsive and without a pulse.

Afterward, the Navy found syringes and performance enhancing drugs in Mullen's car, and a subsequent investigation identified 40 recruits who either tested positive or admitted to illicit substance used, the Times reported.

While Mullen's death wasn't tied directly to drugs, it prompted more scrutiny and adjustments to the BUD/S program, removing some of the harsher elements, according to the Times.

And over time, the drugs can add to the stress on sailors' vital organs, including their hearts and livers, Dr. Matthew Fedoruk, the chief science officer of the United States Anti-Doping Agency, told the Times. It could also make it harder for drug-free recruits to compete, raising the stakes even higher for all trainees to push through even more exhaustion and injury.

"It makes it that much harder for the people doing the right thing to shine," he said.

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Does viagra improve cardio?
Dunno, but apparently it can have some odd side effects relating to preventing pulmonary edemas at high altitudes. They allegedly took them on Top Gear once if you want the same energy of a bunch of men taking viagra that they don't plan to use for its normal purpose.

 
They'll use this as an excuse to lower the standards and soften the program.

While Mullen's death wasn't tied directly to drugs, it prompted more scrutiny and adjustments to the BUD/S program, removing some of the harsher elements, according to the Times.

BOOP! There it is.

Same shit happened in the 1990's because some faggots drowned, or did something wrong, or didn't suit up correctly.
 
Viagra works well as a Protection against high altitude pulmonary oedema. Makes sense it would do the same for what these men are experiencing, it’s a similar set of effects .at altitude it’s the low pressure that helps pull fluid out but excercose in damp cold would be Vasoconstriction in the cold water -> blood pressure changes plus extreme exertion -> fluid build up in the lungs -> heart failure. Usual treatment for HAPE is dexamethasone (steroids) and Going The Fuck Back Down The Hill. Viagra would help a bit but the body needs time to start to compensate and I imagine you do t get that in hell week.
Last para says syringes and performance enhancing drugs so this isn’t just viagra - of he was doping with something like EPO he’s be putting himself at extreme risk
 
Any military historians know of the requirements have gotten easier or harder since it's initial conception?

I can imagine one sadist really putting the hell in hell week to only influence the next generation of trainers to go "I had to go through absolute hell so I'm gonna give the same plus more to the new crop" and so the cycle intensifies. So of like frats and hazing
 
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They'll use this as an excuse to lower the standards and soften the program.



BOOP! There it is.

Same shit happened in the 1990's because some faggots drowned, or did something wrong, or didn't suit up correctly.
Don’t take this the wrong way, because I’m admittedly a civilian, but it seems like if people are dying in training isn’t that a sign that either the standards are already too high or that they’ve somehow allowed recruits who are clearly unsuitable to get that far?

Or am I misunderstanding (or being misled by the article) and this is people being stupid/trying to be a tough guy and ignoring rules or lying about their health and suffering the consequences of their actions?
 
Don’t take this the wrong way, because I’m admittedly a civilian, but it seems like if people are dying in training isn’t that a sign that either the standards are already too high or that they’ve somehow allowed recruits who are clearly unsuitable to get that far?

Or am I misunderstanding (or being misled by the article) and this is people being stupid/trying to be a tough guy and ignoring rules or lying about their health and suffering the consequences of their actions?
Am also civilian, but if there's one thing I've learned from reading about people's military careers, it's that you have a small chance of dying just by joining up. People die from accidents, friendly fire, overexertion, all before they even deploy. It's just not news.

Considering this is apex military nigger shit, it's not at all surprising and probably to be expected that some people would die along the way. Sure they'll try to resuscitate you if you're drowning on your 10 mile (or whatever) swim, but the training is inherently dangerous. Anyways this was also definitely SEAL niggers being stupid, doping to get past the training, and in this particular case the guy basically knew he had edema and kept on chugging pills for days until his lungs filled up.
 
Dunno, but apparently it can have some odd side effects relating to preventing pulmonary edemas at high altitudes. They allegedly took them on Top Gear once if you want the same energy of a bunch of men taking viagra that they don't plan to use for its normal purpose.

Not precisely a side effect. Sildenafil was developed originally to treat high blood pressure, and has been used commonly in critically ill neonates with pulmonary hypertension. The drug developers discovered the pee-pee side effects in the process of testing it.
 
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BUD/S trains candidates, not recruits
 
Any military historians know of the requirements have gotten easier or harder since it's initial conception?

I can imagine one sadist really putting the hell in hell week to only influence the next generation of trainers to go "I had to go through absolute hell so I'm gonna give the same plus more to the new crop" and so the cycle intensifies. So of like frats and hazing
You don't need to be a historian to notice the requirements are getting easier since most of the pussification has happened during the lifespan of the zoomers. one word, Women.
 
Am also civilian, but if there's one thing I've learned from reading about people's military careers, it's that you have a small chance of dying just by joining up. People die from accidents, friendly fire, overexertion, all before they even deploy. It's just not news.

Considering this is apex military nigger shit, it's not at all surprising and probably to be expected that some people would die along the way. Sure they'll try to resuscitate you if you're drowning on your 10 mile (or whatever) swim, but the training is inherently dangerous. Anyways this was also definitely SEAL niggers being stupid, doping to get past the training, and in this particular case the guy basically knew he had edema and kept on chugging pills for days until his lungs filled up.
Everyone has their limits of physical endurance that they just can't meet, even if they are nominally healthy in every other way. Sometimes it doesn't have to be physical endurance. Some people get sick trying to read a book in a moving vehicle, for others it comes perfectly naturally.

The Navy certainly needs to get down to the core of the issue. Freak accidents happen--the reason AEDs have been mandatory in Texas schools since the mid-2000s stemmed from when the star football player of the away team had a sudden cardiac arrest on the bench despite not being on any drugs and in peak physical condition. If this SEAL guy was trying to take Viagra to hide the symptoms, then he's either already got a problem or some Sgt. Hartman-tier retard who works people too hard and can't see an obvious problem in front of him.
 
Don’t take this the wrong way, because I’m admittedly a civilian, but it seems like if people are dying in training isn’t that a sign that either the standards are already too high or that they’ve somehow allowed recruits who are clearly unsuitable to get that far?

Or am I misunderstanding (or being misled by the article) and this is people being stupid/trying to be a tough guy and ignoring rules or lying about their health and suffering the consequences of their actions?
The military is and always has been retarded. The only times they’ve actually been effective isn’t when they’ve had advanced training and equipment, or even high physical standards, but when there has been an overwhelming necessity for the fight.

We’ve been a volunteer force for 50 years with very little to show for it; and the last draft war was a complete political mess, yet surprisingly more effective than the last war we’ve had.

As much as this is the fault of a weakening generation, this is also the confluence of ritualized hazing, overtraining, and the Air Force culture problem. The Air Force culture problem is an issue wherein the direction of the military branch can swing wildly based on the backgrounds of its leaders; in the case of the Air Force, their idea of air superiority would change if their were more generals with a fighter pilot background vs generals with a bomber background. This can apply across all levels of the military, from NCOs to Generals.

Ultimately, I think these past few years have been the ultimate case against having a large volunteer force. You can have a small, peacetime volunteer force that’s sole goal is to maintain knowledge and equipment for when there is a war, but the moment there is a serious war you need the pragmatic mindset that comes from a draft.
 
During extensive, strenuous swimming in frigid waters, participants in SEAL training may develop a dangerous condition called swimming-induced pulmonary edema, or SIPE, in which fluid builds up in the lungs. A common symptom is coughing up bloody fluid.
Was this condition common pre-covid vax?

I never remember hearing about it but I am not a SEAL aficionado outside of a choice copy pasta.
 
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