1. If you're not the guy who kicked the shit out of his own mother it should be fairly easy for you to come up with some iron clad proof. I reckon I could find it myself but I honestly can't be asked and it would be much easier for you than for me. And "That happened a short drive from where I claim to live so it couldn't have been me" doesn't prove anything.
I have video of the alleged victim. I'll share it when the time is right. Do not worry, everything is time stamped. The current concern is that the victim will be harassed due to this. I could release documents with my full name on them but of course, there are risks to that too. I'd rather NOT lend tools to people that could make future libel appear more credible. I literally spent thousands of dollars, went without sleep and nursed seven puppies back from the brink of death and STILL everyone says I killed them. Even when there is video and photos showing this NOT to be the case.
2. What do you make of TUG doxxing Vikki's family? You seemed to find it delightful when you were on stream with him the other day. I've heard you ComicsGaters talk a lot about protecting customers and Vikki is several times over verified as a former CG customer. Do you justify it because she makes uncomfortable videos and tweets pointing to the blatant hypocrisy and degenerate nature of your "movement"?
No. I was amused because I am a student of irony. I find irony to be very amusing. Vikki has been a bitter and antagonistic person for over a year now. She seeks out strife and conflict while moving within circles that actively seek to disclose the personal information of others to destroy their lives. I found it ironic that in the end she would turn out to be the villain she claims people like myself to be. I am not involved, nor have I ever (or would I ever), be involved in the distribution of personal information of my backers.
3. ComicsGate seems to talk a lot of principles and deliver on precisely zero when the chips are down. What do you make of Ethan's sad threat to block Vikki when she confronted him on the subject?
I have Vikki blocked because she has shown herself to be a bad actor that actively seeks to create disruption and discord within the comic book community. I do not find her contributions or insights of value enough to outweigh the (frankly malicious) attitude she has towards the #ComicsGate movement. I think that everyone in #ComicsGate should have her blocked to avoid these conflicts. Its the same advice I give regarding Edwin Boyette. These people are destroyers. They impede commerce and attempt to undermine the credibility of the creator and the faith of the customer.
If #ComicsGate is to succeed we must be architects, not opportunists.
4. I think you genuinely think of yourself as a good person and of CG as a genuinely noble cause. How do you rectify that notion with the fact that CG has turned into a sewage dump for the worst kind of people the internet has to offer without any semblance of integrity or competence? Doesn't it bother you defending shitbags like Ro and his pack of faggot internet exceptional individuals?
When you build a movement that gives an opportunity to fringe voices and the disenfranchised you're going to encounter people with difficult personalities.
As someone with experience in the music scene, entertainment media and (to a limited extent) Hollywood, I can tell you that the "shitbags" in #ComicsGate are relatively tame as far as weirdos go. If you were to casually interact with some of the musicians or actors you admire you would likely find yourself shocked and outraged. Creatives are often eccentric, weird and difficult to get along with.
I feel your assertion that CG is a
sewerage dump for the worst kind of people on the internet has to offer is a little naive (no offence). Please remember where you are and how just a few clicks away from here you'll find threads on E-Thots that crush the heads of kittens under heel for the sexual thrill of their audiences, self-proclaimed paedophiles and men that get their sexual thrill by infecting others with lethal viruses.
All-in-all, I believe there are many people with Integrity and Competence within #ComicsGate. The difficulties often come from trying to understand the differences between ideologies and certain schools of ethos.
Let us use RO as an example since you brought him up.
RO had a conflict with ANNA (ThatStarWarsGirl) over an off-color joke. To most people RO's refusal to apologise for something "so trivial" seems callous or uncaring. "Surely" you might think "It is as easy as saying, I'm sorry" but in doing so RO would be breaking a code of conduct deeply important to him. In the eyes of RO, going back on his word to apologise for something he did not intend seriously undermines his core belief that comedy should be free. Instead, he tries to help ANNA realise that he intended to ill-will and had no malicious intent. If he were to compromise on his value to offer her an empty apology he would be practising a deception over an important issue and offering a solution to alleviate a misplaced pain. ANNA believes she is angry at RO for what he said and she feels slighted and deserving of an apology so she can have closure but even if she got it from RO it would not resolve the pain she is feeling. At the end of the day, RO is a man of principle. Its difficult for others to see because of the act he often puts on (I've fallen for it too) but at his core he has noble values.
The problem people have with RO and WC is that they often wish to act and speak with impunity. I am human and I know I will say and do stupid things. Even offering you this information and being this charitable is foolish. I know this. But I do so BECAUSE of my personal values and because I think transparency and clear communication are important to resolving conflict.
RO points and laughs at stupid things. He puts on the jesters outfit and mocks the king. Certain people hate that. But let me tell you a short story:
WAY back in the EARLY days of ComicsGate I was in the group that would come to be known as "Jesus Campaign." Lets call them, the Millerites. During this time everyone was like a happy family. There were no huge egos yet. CG was still a spring chicken. However, as soon as WC formed a young girl (the unofficial cheerleader/moderator) began claiming she was harassed. I thought of this person as a little sister and since I was at the core of a lot of CG back in the day I sought to resolve the issue. However, she would not give me the names of the guilty party. Instead I was just told over and over "WC did it" and "WC are harassers" and "WC are bad."
The goal was to build divide.
When I refused to go to war without names, screenshots or evidence everyone closed rank on me and turned their back. I was kicked off early shows, removed from all the chatrooms and groups. Rumors campaigns began that I was a terrible human being and people who had been my "friends" and "brothers in Christ" all of a sudden wanted nothing more to do with me lest they get tarred and feathered too by "the Pope."
It was a difficult time and my crime, my only crime, was asking "Who, what and Why?" instead of going in guns blazing like I was supposed to. Three sentences asking what had actually happened turned me from a "friendly older bro" into "the enemy."
During this time I continued to fight for Mike Miller and Doug TenNapel because I believed they were uninvolved. I thought of them as older men, role-models and friends. I'd soon come to realise, slowly, kicking and screaming that I was wrong and these were bad actors. I understood their Ethos well as I'd listened to them speak on it extensively and I realised that they were compromising their own alleged values to gain control over who comes in and out of the movement.
Isolated, I became the person people came to (old JCers) to tell things when they were unhappy with the internal workings of things. "I know you were done wrong, Liam... you know what else sucks..." for months. Seven different people who'd only be my friend in "secret" for fear of being found out gave me information, showed me what was going on. You want to point at the corruption in CG, I know where it is. I know where the bodies are buried and none of you seem to have a clue.
That said, all of this goes on, and I go to RO in the end with everything that has happened. At the time I was worried about the WC. I'd had a number of clashes with them. Rumors they were hackers and linked into Anonymous ran amok. But in the end, I wanted to say I WAS SORRY and I WAS WRONG because I believe in being accountable for that. I showed RO some private DMs and screenshots about what was going on and he talked to me about how this was affecting me personally. Then later, PAN would do the same.
I'd spent more than a YEAR in CG and WarCampaign were the ONLY people to actually ask about me. Not what I could do for them. Actually asked about how I was doing as a person. I told them I was not WAR CAMPAIGN and they were totally fine with it. They took the apology. They never lorded it over me. They listened, they made time and they were not assholes to me. They were not afraid to just be decent guys.
That is what its like without the mask. Everyone treats WC like they are these horrible monsters and tyrants. They act like RO is this DEMON MADE FLESH but usually the people doing that are aggressors with dark secrets and things to hide.
Normal people, normal fans, normal CGers don't have anything to FEAR from the WC. Its always people tied up in manipulation games and power plays. Its always the folks with dark secrets and dirty hands.
I hope this has been enlightening.
Thank you for your time,
L
like the absurd power you lend absolute non-entities like Jon del Arroz or Edwin Boyette. These are signs of paranoiac thinking, without even acknowledging the possibility of a pre-existing condition.
I question my mind a lot. Its part of my job. When I sit down to write I need to think in different ways. I need to know how to think like different people. I need to be able to explore myself and who I am. I question my mind and my motives rather regularly. Because I have been streaming so much I have had less time to do that, its true, as shown by my realisation at the end of the Sketch show. But that is not typical "Liam." I am normally rather introverted and insightful.
That said, I am going to clear this up and then head out for a bit:
1. I do not think JDA has any real power. In fact, I think he is relatively powerless in the grand scheme of things. What I think about is how he is a pest and an annoyance impeding people like me from making actual positive and lasting change. He manned the gates and for a long time tried to win favor with the new people coming into CG while being involved in orchestrated attempts to destroy it from within. This was predatory in my opinion. Imagine if you had a forum for motorcycle enthusiasts but the moderator of the introduction section was someone who hated bikers. He'd act nice, build personal relationships with them, offer praise, then whisper in their ear about how terrible everyone in CG is. He's not powerful. He's a pain in the ass, a liar, a manipulator and someone I don't respect as a man. He practices dirty politics, dirty business and is what I call a "bad actor."
2. Edwin's power is mostly gone but similar to JDA he built upon relationships to exploit. He is another hypocrite that exploits people and does not live by the values he espouses. He uses religion and his power as a means of controlling who can and cannot speak. He undermines and sows discord purely out of maliciousness and spite. Much of the grief we have faced and a lot of the preconceptions CG struggles with originates from Edwin. To this day he continues to spread misinformation and poison people against the movement.
There's a lot people still have not seen and do not know. Stuff they frankly do not NEED to know because its trivial but would help give a lot of context. All in all, CG are the underdog. we are a tiny group of creators trying to go our own way and build something. When people like Edwin and JDA attempt to usurp that movement, control who can and cannot be a member based on religious or political affiliations, I take offence.
Well, unless they're a commie. Fuck commies. I'm a hypocrite when it comes to Commies. They've fucked our government and entertainment industry in Australia so they can all go for a helicopter ride as far as I am concerned.
If somebody was out to get you they could easily shop a fake ID with shit you have already provided online. Stop pissing about you have ample ability to easily prove you aren't Liam Cameron Gray. The only reason you steadfastly refuse to do so is that you ARE Liam Cameron Gray, mother beater extraordinaire.
