Better to respect others' rights, or force upon others (in real life)?

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Do you take a more libertarian or authoritarian approach to people's rights, and if so, any specifics to your ideas on that?

For me, I've just always been an apathetic loser when deciding on what I think is ultimately right and wrong - letting people think their own way results best for society, and shows a true opinion on how others' think. If you're a conservative, libtard, whatever, I should be able to think you're wrong or right without a-logging the shit out of you for having the wrong opinion.

Let me laugh at retards without being called a Nazi, damnit.

EDIT: added in real life since you faggots think I'm talking about online only.
 
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Not everyone is courteous enough to respect other people, so there should be a few rules to keep them in check. However, society is in a transitional period where nobody's really sure what should and shouldn't be respected, so it's all gone crazy atm and people are trying to enforce standards which are frankly ridiculous.
 
There are only three rights that matter and they don't need to be forced on anyone. Everything else you get isn't a right it's a bonus and you're lucky to have it.
The three rights:
My right to call you a nigger
My right to own property
My right to own guns (and use them to defend my property from both dirty niggers and the government.)
 
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RetardedCat said:
There are only three rights that matter and they don't need to be forced on anyone. Everything else you get isn't a right it's a bonus and you're lucky to have it.
The three rights:
My right to call you a nigger
My right to own property
My right to own guns (and use them to defend my property from both dirty niggers and the government.)
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I pretty much agree with this.

I think that more or less covers it all.

I have the ability to not a-log on people for not having the right opinion., but I choose not to because it's so much more fun.
 
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Okay, let's start with this: how would you define "rights?" Is the ability to own property a right? How about a transgender surgery- is looking like what you claim to be a right?
What most people are calling "rights" nowadays are simply them foisting personal responsibility upon some other schmuck. Most people don't care if, for example, our tranny cows underwent transition surgery. However, those cows, rather than pay for transition treatment themselves, demand others pay for their surgery, claiming it as a human right. (This is just the example that popped into my head; I'm sure you can think of others.)
As for a-logging people, this goes into the free speech debate. You can say what you will, but that won't protect you from the consequences of your actions (again, back to the personal responsibility point: be ready to accept the consequences of your actions.)
 
I apologize for sounding edgy, but human rights are just a social construct. In western society people obey the rules so that they don't get victimized by the state or by others.
 
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Sexy Senior Citizen said:
Okay, let's start with this: how would you define "rights?" Is the ability to own property a right? How about a transgender surgery- is looking like what you claim to be a right?
What most people are calling "rights" nowadays are simply them foisting personal responsibility upon some other schmuck. Most people don't care if, for example, our tranny cows underwent transition surgery. However, those cows, rather than pay for transition treatment themselves, demand others pay for their surgery, claiming it as a human right. (This is just the example that popped into my head; I'm sure you can think of others.)
As for a-logging people, this goes into the free speech debate. You can say what you will, but that won't protect you from the consequences of your actions (again, back to the personal responsibility point: be ready to accept the consequences of your actions.)
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Yeah, it's fine line between Rights and things I want.

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I apologize for sounding edgy, but human rights are just a social construct. In western society people obey the rules so that they don't get victimized by the state or by others.
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Well yeah, but we should certainly be setting out to let have those rules be as least restricting as can be without shit being total anarchy.
 
Authoritarian.
I think modern times have pretty thoroughly proven that just because you respect someone else's rights, doesn't mean they'll respect yours. I think it's pretty much an absolute rule that two groups will by nature try to win dominance over each other, and the best way to avoid such a conflict is to simply keep the various groups as separate as possible.
 
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BoingoTango said:
Well yeah, but we should certainly be setting out to let have those rules be as least restricting as can be without shit being total anarchy.
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I think that most people would agree with that sentiment. The problem is how you define what is 'as least restricting as we can be without shit being total anarchy'.
 
mr.moon1488 said:
Authoritarian.
I think modern times have pretty thoroughly proven that just because you respect someone else's rights, doesn't mean they'll respect yours. I think it's pretty much an absolute rule that two groups will by nature try to win dominance over each other, and the best way to avoid such a conflict is to simply keep the various groups as separate as possible.
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Yeah, I get your point, but in general, if you don't hang out with the crazies, you're fine. But maybe I'm not not experienced enough in the world with that, and I admit it.
 
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Yeah, I get your point, but in general, if you don't hang out with the crazies, you're fine. But maybe I'm not not experienced enough in the world with that, and I admit it.
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As if his perspective is based on real-life experience and isn't just an overreaction to annoying people on the Internet.
 
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Give Her The D said:
Yeah, I get your point, but in general, if you don't hang out with the crazies, you're fine. But maybe I'm not not experienced enough in the world with that, and I admit it.
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Well, from what I've seen, the crazies do benefit from either oppressing, or acting oppressed by some other group, so this eventually trains bystanders to join in. There is a tangible benefit for a group having dominance in a larger collective just like there's a tangible benefit for being "on top" in your own group. Since the best way to get "on top" is to promote your group's dominance in the collective of groups, the most effective method is to subvert other groups. This is because promoting your own group is far harder than simply improving its relative standing by degrading another group.

I.e.

Respecting another group's/person's rights may be the right way to get ahead, but it's the long hard way that requires you to trust the other group/person to want to do the same.

Pushing the other groups/people down, is the short, and easy way to get ahead, and you win even bigger if they're naive, and think your intentions are genuine.

Which option do you really think most people will pick?
 
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Respecting another group's/person's rights may be the right way to get ahead, but it's the long hard way that requires you to trust the other group/person to want to do the same.
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Well, ideally everyone would possess and know how to effectively use a trump card that gives folks a fallback when they realize their trust is grossly misplaced

but guns are scurry mmkay
 
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