Black powder and muzzleloaders

[Devious Dave]

I think a thread for the discussion of black powder firearms would be nice.

My personal collection right now includes an 1858 Remington (Pietta) and a Percussion cap Kentucky pistol of unknown manufacture in .38 caliber (probably Spanish).

I'm blessed to have one tin of CCI #11s, so I don't shoot black powder much. I use Pyrodex FFF and .454 balls. I'm not a particularly good or knowledgeable black powder shooter, but 19th century weapons are my favorite.
Modern 209 muzzleloaders are boring
and gay

I'll talk about why I picked the 1858 over the 1851 as my first percussion revolver.

First of all, I got mine used on GunBroker for right around $200. (This is still very doable today if you watch the listings for a while.) Percussion firearms are not considered firearms legally, so they can be shipped right to your door very convenient.

The 1858 is a full frame instead of an open top with an arbor like the 1851 or 1860. This means the gun is a lot stronger. I intended to buy a cartridge conversion cylinder but haven't gotten around to it yet. Even with a cartridge conversion, you still have to shoot black powder loads or "cowboy loads."

But .45 Long Colt, primarily being an old cowboy cartridge anyway, means it's not hard to find cowboy loads.

Here's a good illustration of Open top arbor vs Full frame 1858

 

[Obeah Mon]

I powder coat the brass parts black. It dont look as antique then. I sold all my BP stuff except for a .36 1858 Remington. I like the 36 because it takes less lead & im just plinking with it... round balls & conicals.. round balls the most accurate.Forget conversion cylinders.

 

[Procrastinhater]

I love black powder myself but I'm far from an expert.
Modern firearms are more my speed.
I picked up a St Louis Hawken .50 (reproduction not an original) at a gun show a few years ago because when I saw it I remembered that movie Jeremiah Johnson, and the guy wanted way less for it than I expected, it was an impulse buy, but I've never got around to taking it out sadly more than a couple of times.

I think this threads a great idea I'd love to learn more about them.

 

[Devious Dave]

I powder coat the brass parts black. It dont look as antique then. I sold all my BP stuff except for a .36 1858 Remington. I like the 36 because it takes less lead & im just plinking with it... round balls & conicals.. round balls the most accurate.Forget conversion cylinders.

36 would be better for a hiking/SHTF gun imo i have a chart I like to reference that shows you how many balls you get from a pound of lead you'll get a lot more reloads
(Not my chart I found it online)

I picked 44 because I intended to use a conversion cylinder and some states have laws that require muzzleloaders to be 40cal and up for hunting.

 

[Obeah Mon]

36 would be better for a hiking/SHTF gun imo i have a chart I like to reference that shows you how many balls you get from a pound of lead you'll get a lot more reloads
(Not my chart I found it online)
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I picked 44 because I intended to use a conversion cylinder and some states have laws that require muzzleloaders to be 40cal and up for hunting.

i've known that while you were on the tit. also I cast hard lead. dead soft lead does not cast as well. I powder coat the conicals. Its not for sissys who think being white is too hard. (not you friend). In Florida you better clean them right away.. you can watch them rust. Out here you can let it go much longer. I would get one of the new BP double barrel shotgun pistol if i used regular caps instead of 209 primers. I have 10's & 11's out the ass. i'll dig mine out later & show the arbor press i adapted to load cylinders, piss on the loading lever w/ hard cast.

https://youtu.be/Mj1omWfSFrk?si=qiFtzFcQYiBzzovX

 

[Obeah Mon]

36 would be better for a hiking/SHTF gun imo i have a chart I like to reference that shows you how many balls you get from a pound of lead you'll get a lot more reloads
(Not my chart I found it online)
View attachment 6158463
I picked 44 because I intended to use a conversion cylinder and some states have laws that require muzzleloaders to be 40cal and up for hunting.

i've known that while you were on the tit. also I cast hard lead. dead soft lead does not cast as well. I powder coat the conicals. Its not for sissys who think being white is too hard. (not you friend). In Florida you better clean them right away.. you can watch them rust. Out here you can let it go much longer. I would get one of the new BP double barrel shotgun pistol if i used regular caps instead of 209 primers. I have 10's & 11's out the ass. i'll dig mine out later & show the arbor press i adapted to load cylinders, piss on the loading lever w/ hard cast.

https://youtu.be/Mj1omWfSFrk?si=qiFtzFcQYiBzzovX

 

[Devious Dave]

I would get one of the new BP double barrel shotgun pistol if i used regular caps instead of 209 primers

Yeah I've seen those they aren't that expensive either compared to the howdah ones. The 209 is a big turn off for me I don't know why they market them to felons either, Because felons aren't allowed to own reloading supplies like 209 primers.

 

[Obeah Mon]

Yeah I've seen those they aren't that expensive either compared to the howdah ones. The 209 is a big turn off for me I don't know why they market them to felons either, Because felons aren't allowed to own reloading supplies like 209 primers.

You can make your own or buy toy caps in a shortage. Ive got a back burner project to make a jap assassin model with nichrome wire for the fuck of it. I have a lathe an all the shit but its summer when every household item takes a dump. if the ol lady croaks 1st I'm getting a 3 inch ordinance rifle. something with some serious boom or a bowling ball cannon. bowling balls are a bridge too far though getting balls. But if you really want an insurrectionist tool build a spigot mortar..mortar shell made from a fire extinguisher. its fired by a blank cartridge.


do felons have no right to self defense ? the constitution sez they do, since they were not mentioned imo. I would rather they have a cap n ball than a highpointe

 

[Obeah Mon]

I forgot to mention that if you get the insides of your cylinder real clean, load, cap & then put fingernail polish over the caps. they wont fall off and it will be just as reliable as a cartridge gun even underwater. Ive left mine loaded this way for years.. not a problem. I usually do this after a deep cleaning. then go play with something else for a while.

 

[Devious Dave]

@Obeah Mon id like to get your opinion on this video talking about Crimean war revolvers
https://youtu.be/Vh3GVxrCNWY
(Go to 2:30)

The first one he's handling is really interesting. Before they incorporated the loading lever, they would use an oversized chamber and a ball with a felt was attached. It allowed for it to be loaded by fingers alone. I wonder if it would be possible to cast an undersized ball and do that with a Remington or Colt revolver.

 

[Obeah Mon]

@Obeah Mon id like to get your opinion on this video talking about Crimean war revolvers
https://youtu.be/Vh3GVxrCNWY
(Go to 2:30)

The first one he's handling is really interesting. Before they incorporated the loading lever, they would use an oversized chamber and a ball with a felt was attached. It allowed for it to be loaded by fingers alone. I wonder if it would be possible to cast an undersized ball and do that with a Remington or Colt revolver.

I don't need to look at it to tell you its horseshit. who wants a loose fitting projectile ? And since they've had a long history of development if this was the better idea it wouldve been used. Just a faggot of the time thought it was a good idea.. the felt wouldve taken up powder space. You want something you can get parts for, these on the video are for collecting by autists

edit: get a screw kit for your shit now from Taylors & Co. or at least the ramrod screw. get a nipple wrench.. light grease on the nipple threads. dont bother slathering grease on top off the balls because the 1st shot will blow it off the others, just load em up and before shooting just spray some wd40 all over them.
the jerkoffs on gun forums will say differently but if you been pissed on by hot grease you'd know the grease flies somewhere..murphy's law sez its you. People wouldnt think they were a pain so much if they didnt hear these old practices. also get an extra trigger spring.

 

[Obeah Mon]

The balls fit tightly and IMO the chain firing is thru the nipple end if youre worried about not greasing them over. Take a vid at night & freeze frame to get the idea. no worrys for single shots. another good reason to finger polish the caps. ive never had a chainfire. So if youre on a BP forum you can show them how fucking stupid they are. I fucking hate gun forums & okies & wolverines & super patriots dying on they feet and all that fucking tedious repetition of the above. The same fucks axing the same question to 10 different forums. So naturally I pissed them off, photoshop dicks in they mouth an so forth.

note: they put nicer grips on the 36 remy because they cost more. IM glad you made this thread because i put it away dirty 2 months ago. as you can see no rust out here. you can dress the lettering up with laquer sticks off amazon. also dont buy the dickweed cylinder loader they sell, get the smallest harbor freight arbor press.. then you have a press for everything at the same price (when i bought mine). you can compress pyrodex & BP but not triple 7. I can squeeze in 30 grs of pyrodex. but if you load them like that do 1 at a time as recoil will jump the balls a bit and lock up your cylinder.I had a colt walker i used to piss off the fuckers at the range with purposely. Load 30 grs BP & 20 grs of cremora for a spectacular flamey boomage & smoke cloud. pick your spot downwind of they faggots & you'll get hey! hey! wtf are you doing thru the smoke as they cough the gas out like ungrateful jooze. its a laugh riot looking at all this..an wot they gon do bout it. I got tears in my eyes remembering this. the downside of BP at public ranges is the fucking looky lous standing behind you, in a group gawking. I turn around and tell them this aint no fucking peepshow get lost. then get some dick w/fatherly advice saying be nice theyre curious. I'm fucking 66 years old Dad fuck off ! I can be out in the middle of nowhere from my crib in 25 minutes. the range is closer but takes longer to start shooting. plus now the county shooting park is slam full of flips in camo with shotguns pointing everywhere. Or a stray nigger talking to his target 3 ft away , making gestures & fast drawing his shit pistol at it. they also close they eyes before pulling the trigger is why they cant hit the bullseye 3 ft in front of them. also ar15's @6 feet ! I've only seen a couple in the desert.wide open spaces and forests scare niggers shitless... just so you know friendo.

 

[DuckofDoom]

Black powder shooting is a blast. (pun absolutely intended) I've had an Uberti Whitneyville Dragoon replica for a few years and love taking that thing to the range. Getting commercially made percussion caps is just about impossible these days, so I've been making my own. They're pretty easy to make, and the 500 that I've made and fired so far, I've had no failures.

 

[FinallyRealEmail]

So, I’ve shot black powder rifles and am looking at buying one. I keep thinking “oh I’ll get this”, but im in decisive. So, if anyone has recommendations for black powder rifles where the main goal is deer/larger game hunting please leave suggestions. Also, despite asking on here going to throw this as a great cleaner for BP guns - ballistol. I use it for regular guns too, but it’s great on BP parts too.

 

[Obeah Mon]

If you fags are ever in Vegas unfucking yourselves, I have caps I can turnst you on to. because im a boomer and we got them all & its just tough shit for everyone else niggers.

 

[Freshly Baked Socks]

So, y'all ex-cons. or just declared mentally incompetent?

 

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

So, y'all ex-cons. or just declared mentally incompetent?

Worse, i'm British

 

[Devious Dave]

So, I’ve shot black powder rifles and am looking at buying one. I keep thinking “oh I’ll get this”, but im in decisive. So, if anyone has recommendations for black powder rifles where the main goal is deer/larger game hunting please leave suggestions. Also, despite asking on here going to throw this as a great cleaner for BP guns - ballistol. I use it for regular guns too, but it’s great on BP parts too.

I would suggest getting something off of GunBroker just make sure you look over the description and pictures well you can easily get a nice usable rifle for under 300

Here's an example

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1053533483

 

[Obeah Mon]

I would suggest getting something off of GunBroker just make sure you look over the description and pictures well you can easily get a nice usable rifle for under 300

Here's an example

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1053533483

just go buy a new one i been burnt with gunbroker on BP shit or get a kit. you should physically see a used BP gun. if you dont have the money buy a break open single barrel shotgun. you can reload the shells with pyrodex with tools you already have and not be worried about blowing it up + plus you can grow into gunnery and add chamber inserts to shoot pistol cartridges. I'll be doing a thread on expedient shotshell loading with pyrodex. anyone w/o pyrodex needs to go buy some Pyrodex P even if youre unarmed. keep your powder dry nigmen. also once the newness wears off many abandon BP. if this is you you still have a modern gun that can fire modern shells that have any load you can think off an you can make yourself for a more fufilling hobby.

 

[Devious Dave]

just go buy a new one i been burnt with gunbroker on BP shit or get a kit. you should physically see a used BP gun. if you dont have the money buy a break open single barrel shotgun. you can reload the shells with pyrodex with tools you already have and not be worried about blowing it up + plus you can grow into gunnery and add chamber inserts to shoot pistol cartridges. I'll be doing a thread on expedient shotshell loading with pyrodex. anyone w/o pyrodex needs to go buy some Pyrodex P even if youre unarmed. keep your powder dry nigmen. also once the newness wears off many abandon BP. if this is you you still have a modern gun that can fire modern shells that have any load you can think off an you can make yourself for a more fufilling hobby.

my first gun i bought was when i was 16 i got a polish flare pistol (all steel) on sportsmans guide for 60$ i got a 410/45 insert for it and shot 410 handgun rounds with it